Changelog and Previews comment thread

[Sami]

Those are rather tricky, and have in some cases seen the same, and needs to be checked at some point..

[Cardinal]

Couple of questions about the new aircraft pre-launch ordering:

If I order some 737-800 during the pre-launch period for the MAX-8 and the -800 delivery slots overlap the start of MAX-8 production, do the -800 orders get scheduled as if there were no MAX-8 orders?

And if I do a combined order of 50x 737-800 and 50x MAX-8 during the pre-launch period and the -800 delivery slots overlap the start of MAX-8 production, will the -800 orders all get scheduled first instead of alternating models like they do now when you make a combined order?

[Sami]

If you order prelaunch plane A and after that non-prelaunch plane B from the same line, the orders for plane A are allocated after the deliveries of plane B. This is because the order slots are allocated 45 days after the launch of the plane A and it sees the orders from plane B as existing orders you have already in the order queue at the time the slots are allocated. (the B orders are allocated normally, like orders for A were invisible)

And you can freely mix models in one order. Models that are available are allocated slots immediately and the prelaunch models are hidden until the 45 days have passed.

(pls note that until the preorder slots are actually allocated the delivery dates for any overlapping other models are very preliminary and might change rather much.)

[Zombie Slayer]

Big question I have is will there be a minimum delivery rate for new models? It would really suck to order 100 A320 during the launch and have them trickle in at 1 every 4 months for the first 10 years!

[Zobelle]

I have a gripe about the new ordering system.

I accidentally ordered too many frames to one base and not enough to another on an order. Can we make it where this is at least editable as well as config.

[Cardinal]

(pls note that until the preorder slots are actually allocated the delivery dates for any overlapping other models are very preliminary and might change rather much.)

If I understand you correctly, the -800 orders in my example would initially get allocated before the MAX-8, but after the launch preorder period expires they will get shuffled with the MAX-8 orders. Which has the effect of placing those -800 orders in the same "pool" as the MAX-8 preorders.

Which, if correct, is a good thing IMO. As it is now, particularly with the 737 Jurassic & Classic lines and the DC-9, the initial models (731, 733, DC-9-10) get so many orders that airlines waiting for the 732, 734, or DC-9-30 sometimes wind up waiting for years after production "begins" before the first examples of those models actually get built.

[gazzz0x2z]

I have a gripe about the new ordering system.

I accidentally ordered too many frames to one base and not enough to another on an order. Can we make it where this is at least editable as well as config.

+10000, even if at cost.

[Sami]

 You might want to read the changelog with some thought in regards to production rates and order editing.

[tyteen4a03]

Re new New Aircraft Ordering System: How does this affect increases in production slots for popular aircrafts?

[MuzhikRB]

Dear Sami

Great news.

What about used market ordering changes ? Like the ability to order more planes for upcoming weeks ? Like ordering 6 planes, but they will arrive :
3 of them in 2 week, and 3 of them in 4 weeks. ?

It also helps peoply who is not 24/7 online.

[Sami]

How does this affect increases in production slots for popular aircrafts?

Not sure what the exact question is?

What about used market ordering changes ?

No plans for these yet. (other priorities)

[tyteen4a03]

Not sure what the exact question is?

So when a new model is launched, initially there are very little production slots, but as companies order new aircraft after they begin production, the manufacturer can create more production slots.

Is this factored into the new New Aircraft ordering system?

[Zombie Slayer]

You might want to read the changelog with some thought in regards to production rates and order editing.

I did read it but just looking for clarification. When popular types launch will enough production slots be created the meet demand or will there be a production cap potentially causing long periods between deliveries?

[Sami]

The production rates are calculated taking into account the amount of pre-launch orders too.

[Shubinine]

So if now C series are A220 they will be listed under Airbus or still under Bombardier? Is quite tricky cuz from what I understand it is basically a Bombardier factory made plane but it will just be called Airbus A220.

[wilian.souza2]

Changed parts of the airport slot calculation to take into account the infrastructure and traffic levels of the airport. However this is not the final "new" slot calculation system yet (which is a bigger fundamental change and will be done later). [only for new games]

Increased the amounts of airport slot calculation cycles at the start of the game for better balance (in a new game world the airports start at a lower capacity, and it will grow towards the "final" number over time).

Minor update to the temporary slot quota mechanism at highly slot-constrained airports (ref. Changelog 21st Sept): The slot usage trigger of 95% is now checked from "daytime slots" (between 06 and 22) instead of all slots at the airport, to better reflect on what the airport actually has available in normal ops hours.

Great news! I was going to request this kind of change in the Feature request section. I'd like to see other little upgrades to it:

- Regarding slot prices, base prices should follow inflation levels. Currently we have a situation in which we pay, let's say, 1.5 M for daily departures through the whole week during the 1st and 2nd year into the game and 250 K for the same amount of slots 20 years later.

- Regarding slot availability, I think the system should stop issuing new slots for airports that are far from being slot-constrained. The trigger for adding new slots to airports should be when 80% of daytime slots are occupied.

These proposed changes would make slot prices more expensive and cut incentive for players to spam routes.

[NovemberCharlie]

With the latest changeling stating only new games, is GW3 still counted as new?

[JumboShrimp]

•Airport ground handling and loading fees for cargo are updated to follow the new 10-step airport size classification. [only for new games]

This one and other fee increases are killing my GW1 airline, so it definitely applies to old games too.

[dmoose42]

I agree with JS - I know they are referred to as minor, but with 30 million to 35 million in profits a week, these were reduced by 10-15 million by the by the changes, specifically:

5 million dollar increase in cargo handling
2 million dollar increase in ground handling
1 million dollar increase in landing fees
1.5 million dollar increase in PAX fees

(this occurred while navigation fees were basically flat (up 2% or about 400K), and insurance was flat, also revenue dipped slightly, but unsure if that's a result of the changes or simply aircraft rotation as they go through their C check cycles.

It's frustrating when changes in gameplay mechanics that are described as minor have a significant impact on operations with the only explanation being

"Small adjustments to cargo prices and fees for better balance. [applies to all games]".

Is it possible to get a more detailed explanation as to how the changes impact costs so that we can make more informed decisions?

ninja edit: figures above are for Peanut Airlines in GW 4

[Sami]

There was an error in the airport cost factor calculation causing this increase (not all airports were affected, only those with slot usage between certain levels). Already fixed in the morning, and they should return to normal levels.