Small Airline hurt by Anti Monopoly rules

[charger27]

Oh, you meant your routes were shut down automatically and you don't know which one, at which time, flying to which places? I tend to have a spread sheet of all my 7 day schedule, so no big deal for me
Well, 24h notice is kind of short, really. But at least you still have the warning message, right? It still shows the destination, not the time though if the routes have been closed automatically already

Right.
But... when the warnings started, they were always followed by the oversupply corrected message.
So in that regard, I was lulled into a false sense of security on my own behalf... that, and not completely understanding what the sudden influx of monopoly warnings were really about - as reflected earlier in this thread.
Then suddenly yesterday, gaps appeared in several of the schedules... where routes were actually closed.

I am not serious enough in this game to start with spread sheets or backups... it is very much a casual pastime.
Whether I finish first or last doesn't matter in the least to me.
As was said... it is what it is, I guess.

[Curse]

So. You are not serious into this game but you make lot of noise because your schedules have few gaps now?


But ok. I'm also not serious into this game. True story.

[charger27]

So. You are not serious into this game but you make lot of noise because your schedules have few gaps now?
But ok. I'm also not serious into this game. True story.

No - unlike you who puts out pretend press releases, and snaps up airport slots to restrict competition... I am not serious.
I log in, buy different plane types, create routes to worldwide destinations... the end.
It's called FUN.
I like commercial aircraft, and enjoy worldwide geography - that's it.

My income level is set to the lowest point, and I don't bother sitting there for hours and tweaking settings to get more out of the airline.
Why?
Because I could care less.

Planes are on routes for one simple reason... because I feel like it.
Do some of them make economic sense?
Of course not... but who cares?

I have been involved with AWS for years, but only play beginners worlds.
Why?
Because I just want to fly planes, and have no desire to be competitive with anyone.

So yes, when new restrictions are implemented in the middle of a game, and get in the road of casual fun... I get annoyed.
If you don't like my "noise" - then don't read it.

[Curse]

Still fun how much time and effort you put into explaining yourself while you think you don't take it serious.


If I'm not serious about something I would simply shut everything down and leave. But your airline still exists and you whine here around and blame others for the fact you missed the messages.




About pretending stuff:
"1.5 bn worth"
"1st or 2nd in utilization"
"perfect schedules"


Tell me more about how you log in, create randomly some routes to places without sense and logging off because you couldn't care less.

[charger27]

Still fun how much time and effort you put into explaining yourself while you think you don't take it serious.
If I'm not serious about something I would simply shut everything down and leave. But your airline still exists and you whine here around and blame others for the fact you missed the messages.
About pretending stuff:
"1.5 bn worth"
"1st or 2nd in utilization"
"perfect schedules"
Tell me more about how you log in, create randomly some routes to places without sense and logging off because you couldn't care less.

The "perfect schedules" are created once... then left.
The utilization follows the created routes - if you do it right the first time.
1.5 billion is easy to attain - if you do your schedules properly.
See the pattern?

Pretty straightforward gameplay actually.
No complicated secrets, no time intensive tasking.
The most time I have put into anything, is screwing you out of new Heathrow slots before you could grab them up.
And if you could actually read - you would see I am contemplating shutting the airline down.

Isn't about time for another "press conference"?  

[Curse]

Yep, I see the pattern. You invested lots of time (once), still writing long forums posts and still pretend you are taking this not serious. Which step is denial on the addicted scala?


Also I'm a bit disappointed your main goal was to "screw me" and you failed doing so. Must be hard if you fail not only at the main goal, but also on other points, like pretendend you're not seriously into AWS and so. But no offense taken on my side, people tried to "screw me" lots of times and they all failed, so you are just a number.


About the press releases - of course there will be new press releases when my airline achieved a new milestone. I'm not an English native like you, but "press releases" are for press conferences to announce milestones, future plans etc., aren't they?



PS: I still want to make a point here. I'm honored your main goal was to "screw me" and I'm happy you loved my press conferences this much you still refer to them in other threads. But I only can accept female stalkers and groupies. I'm sorry.

[charger27]

Yep, I see the pattern. You invested lots of time (once), still writing long forums posts and still pretend you are taking this not serious. Which step is denial on the addicted scala?
Also I'm a bit disappointed your main goal was to "screw me" and you failed doing so. Must be hard if you fail not only at the main goal, but also on other points, like pretendend you're not seriously into AWS and so. But no offense taken on my side, people tried to "screw me" lots of times and they all failed, so you are just a number.
About the press releases - of course there will be new press releases when my airline achieved a new milestone. I'm not an English native like you, but "press releases" are for press conferences to announce milestones, future plans etc., aren't they?

PS: I still want to make a point here. I'm honored your main goal was to "screw me" and I'm happy you loved my press conferences this much you still refer to them in other threads. But I only can accept female stalkers and groupies. I'm sorry.

I got the Heathrow routes I wanted in spite of your slot collecting, and cut your route revenue by 60%.
Take that any way you want.

To the developers:
Can you lengthen the timeline on the route oversupply?
When I turn the computer off in the evening, everything is fine... no messages.
By morning - I have a route that has disappeared because a warning that came overnight has already expired.
If the restrictions are going to work on gametime, it needs to be longer.

[exchlbg]

Why for heavens you all want to serve a route for as close to 200% as possible? Stay with a bit over 100% by seat sell limiter and everything still makes sense and nothing will happen overnight.
I would really like to see Sami turning the cost screw up a lot more to make these company policies a failure right from the start.
What airline in RL flying with less than half-full planes is making a profit (except state-owned or -pampered ones, of course) ?

To charger: you don´t give a damn if you are making a profit? You don´t care if it is totally senseless flying routes? What the heck?
You play this game for years, but only beginner´s world? How is that possible, by the way ? Seems time for Sami to look over participation rules,too.
And now, knowing all that, why should we or Sami care about anything you are criticizing?
You like aircrafts? Try plane-spotting on some airport fence, it´s free and fresh air ! You like geography ? Try google world. This is an economy simulation, not Microsoft Flight Simulator.

You don´t care about this game the smallest bit, you have fun by and brag about reaching some goals against untrained newbies, at the same time taking advantage of easier surroundings and being a bad example. You are not helping this project moving forward one inch further, instead you´re starting a great whine-storm because somebody spoiled your fun by enforcing rules.

Ok, guys, let´s move on.....

[brique]

Why for heavens you all want to serve a route for as close to 200% as possible? Stay with a bit over 100% by seat sell limiter and everything still makes sense and nothing will happen overnight.
I would really like to see Sami turning the cost screw up a lot more to make these company policies a failure right from the start.
What airline in RL flies with less than half-full planes is making a profit (except state-owned or -pampered ones, of course) ?

Agreed ; just what is the benefit of deliberately doing so? The seat limiter solves the problem, set it to allow 150% of demand if you really must over-supply for some arcane reason, but even then no warnings will need ever be issued, so the issue of how long you have to change an offending route is a bit moot, in my view...

BTW : its 24hrs real time, not 24hrs game time : not even Sami is that cruel... well... best not go there...  Sami has announced another change so warnings/notifications only get issued once a week.. he is going soft... in my day we were glad to get a 4-minute warning.. and that was for total mutually assured world destruction.. kids these days...

[Curse]

I got the Heathrow routes I wanted in spite of your slot collecting, and cut your route revenue by 60%.
Take that any way you want.

Taking the spare slots that were left is not really "slot hunting". Even at the moment there are enough slots to form a daily schedule if one doesn't care about all flights at the same time.

And, just a hint: Smaller LF with massively increased prices pay in more money than normal or low prices and higher load factors. But just because I can I reduced prices to show you where your place it as market share. It seems pretty important to you.

When I turn the computer off in the evening, everything is fine... no messages.
By morning - I have a route that has disappeared because a warning that came overnight has already expired.
If the restrictions are going to work on gametime, it needs to be longer.

I know Canada is a very very big (and mostly beautiful) country, but aren't 24 hours there the same amount of time as everywhere else? I know there exist places on this planet where's no night (or day) for more than 24 hours, but if you go to bed in the evening (let's say at 19pm because you were tired early due to slot hunting and AWS) and sleep very long (because you need much power for AWS and long forum posts, so let's say 9am)... that are only 12 hours so far.

I'm not some kind of math genius, but isn't 24hr-12hr=12hr? So another 12 hours left?


Are you still sure the fail is in and not in front of your computer?

[charger27]

Why for heavens you all want to serve a route for as close to 200% as possible? Stay with a bit over 100% by seat sell limiter and everything still makes sense and nothing will happen overnight.
I would really like to see Sami turning the cost screw up a lot more to make these company policies a failure right from the start.
What airline in RL flying with less than half-full planes is making a profit (except state-owned or -pampered ones, of course) ?
To charger: you don´t give a damn if you are making a profit? You don´t care if it is totally senseless flying routes? What the heck?
You play this game for years, but only beginner´s world? How is that possible, by the way ? Seems time for Sami to look over participation rules,too.
And now, knowing all that, why should we or Sami care about anything you are criticizing?
You like aircrafts? Try plane-spotting on some airport fence, it´s free and fresh air ! You like geography ? Try google world. This is an economy simulation, not Microsoft Flight Simulator.
You don´t care about this game the smallest bit, you have fun by and brag about reaching some goals against untrained newbies, at the same time taking advantage of easier surroundings and being a bad example. You are not helping this project moving forward one inch further, instead you´re starting a great whine-storm because somebody spoiled your fun by enforcing rules.
Ok, guys, let´s move on.....

How about you play your game the way you want... and I'll do the same? 
I fly planes and routes because I feel like it, not necessarily for the economics. You don't like that, tough.
BTW - you can play beginner's worlds again after a 5 month or so break between games... has always been this way.
Which is fine by me, because a half year off between long games is about right.

Against untrained newbies?
Puleeze.
Do you know how many of the top players are so-called newbies?
Here's a hint - it's a nice round number. 

And again for the illiterate.
I am not playing against anyone.
If I finish last in the standings - who cares?!

Enforcing rules is fine.
If you could only read and comprehend - you will see I was not happy about it showing up in the middle of the game.

Moving the project forward?
Not my concern if the project advances or not... I'm not here to help the developers.
I pay to play.
If you want to be a test case - hey, have at it.

[Curse]

......, and cut your route revenue by 60%.

And, just a hint: Smaller LF with massively increased prices pay in more money than normal or low prices and higher load factors. But just because I can I reduced prices to show you where your place it as market share. It seems pretty important to you.

I thought you were at least using standard prices, but it seems you have discounted the price a good amount (or didn't cover up inflation).

[charger27]

I thought you were at least using standard prices, but it seems you have discounted the price a good amount (or didn't cover up inflation).

That would be YOU who drops his pants at the ticket window, not me.
Nice try at the guesswork though, genius.
The largest discount off default standard for ANY of my tickets is $40 for any class.
And that isn't in any of the European routes.

[charger27]

Ok, a technical question to help me better understand this oversupply restriction.

We have all seen the pink boxes that pop up telling you that your plane has been restricted to a certain number of pax on a route due to rwy requirements or distance flown.
Often times, the restriction is still for more passengers than my aircraft is configured for.
So obviously that tells me if someone configures the same plane for a pile of high density seats - they can squeeze far more people into the same jet.

Now, on the oversupply issue.
Are these warnings based on a MAXIMUM possible default configuration of an aircraft - and not necessarily MY specialized configuration?
If that's the case, then the problem can be dealt with by restricting my planes to my passenger limit.

[Sanabas]

Oversupply is based on the seats you actually have for sale. It's got nothing to do with maximum config.

[charger27]

Ok, this oversupply BS needs to be figured out.
I recently opened 7 routes (1 per day) to an Asian destination - with 2 planes covering.
Over the 7 days... the lowest pax is 182, and the highest at 240.
There is one competitor who is supplying 200 seats for 6 of the 7 days.

So here I come with my A340-200 configured at 294 seats... route reduced to 356 for distance (not applicable obviously).
I default the 2 planes at 290 restricted seats, and do the marketing campaign to improve my stats.

Just had EVERY route closed with this stupid oversupply gimmick!

Now someone needs to explain their math to me.
Lowest day 182 @ 100%... 364 @ 200%.
Highest day 240 @ 100%... 480 @ 200%.
290 seats isn't even CLOSE to 200% in ANY situation!

So - a couple questions before I just BK, and say to hell with this game.
1. How does the competitor's 200 seats factor into the mix?  Or do they?

2. Why does it always appear the warnings are based on the number of pax that actually board the plane, and NOT on the pax available?
I have been tracking this for awhile on a South American route that always seems to be in conflict - even though my aircraft is reduced almost to 100% of availability... in a location where my airline is also exclusive.
One week the loadfactor is lower... warning.
The next week pax carried total is higher... no warning.

[brique]

As far as your supply goes, the competitors seats dont matter at all. They'll affect how many you fill, but not how many you offer.

the demand figure YOU see on your charts is not accurate : bottom right is a text in grey which gives your airlines accuracy rate : its affected by how efficient your staff are, thats affected by wages, numbers and morale and, I think, how long you have been flying the route (as in, your airline gets better at predicting the demand).

The warnings are generated by referral to the TRUE demand figures contained in the game-data ; which of itself varies as demand fluctuates both day-to-day and also over time.

So its not a fixed number, it moves, you dont even get to truly know that number, except within a range defined by your accuracy rate on the day and at the time you look.

mathematically ; you are missing a factor in your working-out ; A near-200% supply magnifies the effect of any movement in the base figure ; example : demand is 100 : you supply 190, leaving a 10% margin : if the base demand drops by 5 pax you lose your 10% buffer : if it drops by 6 pax, you go over 200%. If your accuracy rate is 90% : you dont even know if there is 100 to start with, could be 90, could be 110 : if its an actual figure of 95, for example, you have no 10% buffer at all, 1 pax less is enough to push you over the mark.

But what it really comes back to is why are you even trying for a 200% supply? okay, you play your game your way, yada, yada, but its just creating these issues for you and you aint addressing the root cause so perhaps its best you Bk and beggar off before you blow a fuse refusing to accept a fundamental fact ; 200% supply aint neccessary, going over it it will get the route pulled, and beating yourself over the head with a calculator trying to get your supply as close to that figure as possible is idiotic at best when the actual 100% figure is not fixed.

thank-you, its been emotional.

[exchlbg]

I don´t see where your warning of leaving should affect us, on the contrary. You just insist of playing a foolish game of economic kamikaze trying to bomb other airlines as well as yours, crying to forums over figures you can´t make up.
Good bye.

[Curse]

I'm just curious, but haven't you someone in the big ELITE alliance network who could figure out what you're doing wrong constantly? Isn't that what an alliance is for? Mentoring each other?

I'm serious about that. Hard to tell what you made wrong exactly because what you describe doesn't have the effects you see.

[charger27]

I don´t see where your warning of leaving should affect us, on the contrary. You just insist of playing a foolish game of economic kamikaze trying to bomb other airlines as well as yours, crying to forums over figures you can´t make up.
Good bye.

GFY