Long Haul (again)

[JumboShrimp]

Oh, I am making 100Mi profit now, with spending only 11M on advertising, but I have just 3/4 of your revenue, see the difference?

Btw, if you wanna operate "large" widebody, you are welcome to seek guidance from me (Sorry that I don't know how to operate 767s  )

But wait, I see you flying 767 version 2, AKA 787.  I think your actions are speaking louder than your words.

I take your immitation as a flattery.  If you can't beat them, join them...

If your pilots need to learn how to fly 787 8,000+ nm, you can send them to Chicago for training...

[stevecree]

Nice profit Vito, obviously you are one of the few that can make long haul work profitably....good work indeed  

I would suggest though you help your own alliance airlines to fly LH before offering your services to Elite though....who's side are you on anyway  

All in all your success proves LH can work within v1.3, and your stats add weight to the fact that LH isn't broken IF done correctly, however in the bigger picture Elite airlines have also proven that 757's/767's, even with a tech stop, are a more viable option for most, which has led to Elite airlines survivng and striding towards victory in its first outing.

[Curse]

That's the most stupid and boring bash thread I was ever forced to read. In fact it's this s*** I stopped thinking about joining and maybe throwing some old quotes from Skype in here or so.


Seriously, if you can't offense others subtle and make them cry, just stop this and go and manage your airlines or do some normal postings in normal threads.


What you do is a shame for all the high skilled forum trolls out there!

[vitongwangki]

But wait, I see you flying 767 version 2, AKA 787.  I think your actions are speaking louder than your words.

I take your immitation as a flattery.  If you can't beat them, join them...

If your pilots need to learn how to fly 787 8,000+ nm, you can send them to Chicago for training...

I am so sorry that my pilots don't know how to tech-stop, although they can fly SIN-SEA, SIN-ORD or SIN-JFK non-stop

[lilius]

I dont think Jona´s losses had anything to do with 340/777 but about extreme expansion and huge leases. As a matter of fact I was the one who told him to take higher risks and play harder when profits were at such extreme levels. It is something I regret now of course.

But to all the posters in the thread: Cant you see that by talking about how splendid the 757 is for longhaul with tech-stop that you are only making Jona´s argument even better? Noone in their right mind would enjoy that a game aiming for simulating real life business models or market situations works with an advantage for the 757.

If we continue see 757 world domination in 2010 game scenarios it is obvious to me that something needs to be tweaked. There is an economical advantage to flying bigger in real life and without putting words into Samis mouth Im pretty sure Sami would like to know what the parameter would be.

[stevecree]

I would love to fly widebodies Lilius, but from previous experience I have struggled with 777's, and that was before v1.3 !   So yes maybe a tweek is needed...but on the other hand then you have Vito who has done really well - so is a change actually needed, or do airlines just need to run LH like Vito's successful model ?

[Ansettaddict123]

(Sorry that I don't know how to operate 767s  )

Never fear, your pilots have 3 flights per day from SIN- Mexico with tech stops they're welcome to buy tickets on (we'll show them the ropes for free) 

That's the most stupid and boring bash thread I was ever forced to read. In fact it's this s*** I stopped thinking about joining and maybe throwing some old quotes from Skype in here or so.


Seriously, if you can't offense others subtle and make them cry, just stop this and go and manage your airlines or do some normal postings in normal threads.


What you do is a shame for all the high skilled forum trolls out there!

I thought you left?

[Curse]

I thought you left?

Another point on the very long list of things you are wrong with.

[vitongwangki]

Never fear, your pilots have 3 flights per day from SIN- Mexico with tech stops they're welcome to buy tickets on (we'll show them the ropes for free) 

As long as I don't operate tech-stop hell flight, your flight training is completely irrelevant to us.
And I won't treat my pilots as slave and tell them to spend 24 hours like those poultry on truck.

[swiftus27]

Every time I think about posting in this thread again I go back and read:

Widebodies are broken for transatlantic flying

You say so... maybe you just failed in it... my B773 make 1.3M/week despite being leased... maybe just about a knowing to play or not...

I do think we now have consensus here about the 777???

[Ansettaddict123]

Another point on the very long list of things you are wrong with.

Allmighty Curse, may I beg forgiveness 

[Jona L.]

I dont think Jona´s losses had anything to do with 340/777 but about extreme expansion and huge leases. As a matter of fact I was the one who told him to take higher risks and play harder when profits were at such extreme levels. It is something I regret now of course.

But to all the posters in the thread: Cant you see that by talking about how splendid the 757 is for longhaul with tech-stop that you are only making Jona´s argument even better? Noone in their right mind would enjoy that a game aiming for simulating real life business models or market situations works with an advantage for the 757.

If we continue see 757 world domination in 2010 game scenarios it is obvious to me that something needs to be tweaked. There is an economical advantage to flying bigger in real life and without putting words into Samis mouth Im pretty sure Sami would like to know what the parameter would be.

Well, my dear Marcus; not that I'd not have thought about my rapid expansions (infact you just supported my plannings when I was nearly finished with them )

Anyhow, what you said about B757 (herin especially the 752); is fully true and I had a topic (maybe with a bit un-perfect title) where people said the same as comes out now. People aim for unrealism... guys, did you know that B757 is out of production since 2005 IRL?! Not that i aim for real production line closing dates or so, but just see the point that (at least in Europe) Airlines phase out 757 (see BA/Iberia f.e.) And they gotta have a reason! B757 is not efficient enough in Europe/ for Transatlantic flying to them (might be that CO|UA|DL|AA still fly some of the over to us, but most remain in Domestic service). B777 and A330/340 as well as 744/8 and A380 are a lot more efficient and, people get it: I don't need 3 daily flights, If tehre is one I am fine, I cannot split in 3 parts, so what do I care for the other 2 flights?!

I do think we now have consensus here about the 777???

I wrote something about that in reply to your first post, so if i may ask you to bother yourself with reading it again...

Allmighty Curse, may I beg forgiveness 

No, Curse is like an Elephant (not talking about his physical condition but about his brains) - he never forgets and forgives even less

[Jona L.]

I would love to fly widebodies Lilius, but from previous experience I have struggled with 777's, and that was before v1.3 !   So yes maybe a tweek is needed...but on the other hand then you have Vito who has done really well - so is a change actually needed, or do airlines just need to run LH like Vito's successful model ?

Vito's sucessful model?! No (serious) competition!!

[vitongwangki]

Vito's sucessful model?! No (serious) competition!!

Exactly, the way I have succeeded is due to lack of competition. If my model in LHR, I would face the similar problem when I can't own my planes. When I went for 744 I thought it is gamble now I found that I won it.  And SIN is just a special airport, with looking into the demand profile the number of mega-routes is quite much. Using widebody could guarantee both LF and profit.

[Curse]

Allmighty Curse, may I beg forgiveness 

I don't like yes-persons who just want to make the level between them and me smaller than it actually is. So yeah, allmighty Curse, but I never forgive.

[Jona L.]

I don't like yes-persons who just want to make the level between them and me smaller than it actually is. So yeah, allmighty Curse, but I never forgive.

Didn't I tell you?!

I just know you too well, Curse