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Started by Sami, July 03, 2012, 10:29:48 PM

Sami

At least other of the two is flying on intra-Japan routes with 10000 daily pax demand. If you reach still 20% of those people (they "hear" of your route), you still have a whole lot of pax to fill your F100. But if you have a 200 pax route and still reach the same 20% of the people when RI is 0...

But anyway, the sales of Gianni's route seem a bit too low, I am looking to this.

libertyairlines

Also another thing I noticed was that my RI has not gone up at all on any of my flights.

brique

Quote from: ARASKA on July 04, 2012, 04:47:54 PM
Then how come two airlines have 100% LFs since the first day?

No idea : just thought that the passage quoted may offer some explanation for ultra-low L's on new routes, if its not consistent, then Sami may be able to offer a better one.

additon : Ah, he has....

ARASKA

I have gotten exactly the same LFs since day one... I don't call that realistic

Sami

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Quote from: libertyairlines on July 04, 2012, 04:51:32 PM
Also another thing I noticed was that my RI has not gone up at all on any of my flights.

It takes 6 months or so to reach 100 from zero, so it does nothing in a game week really.


Quote from: ARASKA on July 04, 2012, 04:53:40 PM
I have gotten exactly the same LFs since day one... I don't call that realistic

Read the instructions properly first please. All randomization is OFF.




Edit; Also, server time is stopped while I check these things + the bug report on income sheet.


libertyairlines

Should I be concerned that there was no income from ticket sales even though on my Manage Routes it shows that I have tickets that are selling?

Zombie Slayer

Quote from: sami on July 03, 2012, 10:29:48 PM

- Technical stopovers carry about 20% penalty vs. non-techstop flights (each stopover adds another ~20% penalty). (increased from previous)



While this is a good idea in MT scenarios, will airlines face this penalty in JA and DOTM scenarios where there is no equipment available to serve routes non-stop? There is not an aircraft that can fly over 4500nm until the DC-8-62/3 in the late 60's, and no aircraft capable of non stop flights over 5250nm until the 762ER in ~1984. If there is a 20% penalty on a DC-8 in 1961, for example, many routes will become un-servable in earlier scenarios.
Don Collins of Ohio III, by the Grace of God of the SamiMetaverse of HatF and MT and of His other Realms and Game Worlds, King, Head of the Elite Alliance, Defender of the OOB, Protector of the Slots

Glob-Al

Don, I think the key words in what Sami said there are "versus non stop." As I read it, if all airlines on a route are tech-stopping, the passengers will live with it. But if one airline is tech-stopping and the other is not, they'll prefer the direct flight by quite a wide margin. Hopefully that's the case anyway.

Jona L.

Quote from: --miki-- on July 04, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
If the purchasing limits are removed, how can I get this message:

2 per day limit still active, but time is stuck :P

Sami

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Quote from: sami on July 04, 2012, 04:54:52 PM
server time is stopped while I check these things + the bug report on income sheet.

Time is running again, incomesheet bug is fixed, and so is the route image issue (route image reduction was done twice).

Since there was a modification to the route calculations the ROUTE SALES HISTORY DATA IS CLEARED FOR EVERYONE, so that "old" results do not mess up..


Quote from: Glob-Al on July 04, 2012, 05:11:54 PM
Don, I think the key words in what Sami said there are "versus non stop." As I read it, if all airlines on a route are tech-stopping, the passengers will live with it. But if one airline is tech-stopping and the other is not, they'll prefer the direct flight by quite a wide margin. Hopefully that's the case anyway.

Yes, this is what I am after. But if all flights are with a stopover, some pax may choose not to fly (unless you compensate by lower prices for example). (= same story if the flight would be middle of the night, or poor CI .. etc)



Edit: MONEY has been also reset to everyone, so that nobody happens to go bankrupt ;)


TIP: When your RI is low, lower the prices to gain more pax!


Zombie Slayer

Quote from: sami on July 04, 2012, 11:08:00 AM
For this route, I bet the 35x daily flights are not supplied by a single airline. That's the main point here...

I pre-checked ORD-LGA, and with present settings the "minimum optimal" plane size for that route (demand 3300pax/day) is a 83-seater (below that you will get a penalty for passengers since they don't like to fly any smaller plane for that distance). And another factor; after 11 daily frequencies (which is considered the "maxmimum optimal frequency" for this route) you will see noticeable drop too.


Used market is also refreshing normally now, that setting was off...


First, LF on my one operating route (AMS-LHR) looks good. 504 seats offered on the 200nm route on a 126 seat A319 4x daily. LF is 85%. Just added an ATR-42 on some sub 100nm routes, will see how those fare later today.

Now, regarding the statement that there will be a "penalty" on a plane with less than 83 seats. What kind of penalty? Similar to the route overlap function where LF's plummet, or the "frequency" penalty that has been discussed where, say, a 76 seat EMB-175 would count as .915 frequencies but all seats would still sell assuming no competition?

Just trying to wrap my head around this. I am really trying to figure out how an airline will be able to operate penalty free with 3 fleet types.  :-\

Don
Don Collins of Ohio III, by the Grace of God of the SamiMetaverse of HatF and MT and of His other Realms and Game Worlds, King, Head of the Elite Alliance, Defender of the OOB, Protector of the Slots

Frost33

Hi sami, thanks for that, now achieving more along the lines of what I'd expected (30%-50%)
Regards, Gianni

BryanIAH

Quote from: sami on July 04, 2012, 05:16:39 PM
Time is running again, incomesheet bug is fixed, and so is the route image issue (route image reduction was done twice).

Since there was a modification to the route calculations the ROUTE SALES HISTORY DATA IS CLEARED FOR EVERYONE, so that "old" results do not mess up..

Thanks.

My LFs were 22.5% before the change but they're in the 70%-80% range now.

BryanIAH

Feb 8 2005 I had $2655K cash.

Feb 9 2005 I have $100M cash.

Was this a gift or is something wrong?

Sami


Please try the effects of lowering or changing prices too.  From small increments (1-5%) to larger ones (>50%).


Quote from: sami on July 04, 2012, 05:16:39 PM
Edit: MONEY has been also reset to everyone, so that nobody happens to go bankrupt ;)

Jona L.

Not flying any route yet (a/c in configging) my money just jumped back to 100M.... is that supposed to be like that?

Also the Used market limit is still up :/

Frost33

Also my credit rating just jumped down to D :?

AndiD

#37
Bought used planes at 60% condition and had them fly for over a week. The delay page shows massive delays (1h 50 min!), but no cancellations. Doesn't make sense, somehow, since I scheduled them 115min apart. Some routes were flown less than others although I got both at the start day, so I guess there were some cancellations after all (CYVR - CYYC routes).

I have more junk incoming, I will leave them at their low percentages overnight so that you can play with the code, if you like and use my airline as testbed.

Edit 20:06: CYVR - CYPW route does not show pax limitation in graph (it shows on route edit)

Edit 20:23: If someone wants to test the frequency issues, fly against me from CYYC or KSEA (have both routes fully supplied with A300s - especially the latter would be kinda funny IRL)

ucfknightryan

#38
I've got something odd.  On RJAA-VTBD I'm actually managing higher load factors in C class than in Y class in spite of my company image of 2 and a route image of 4.  I thought it was supposed to be harder to attract those C class passengers with values so low.

Edit: only in one direction though...maybe it's just a daily fluctuation since you cleared the history?

chiveicrook

IMHO I'm getting weird oversupply warnings. For example BIKF-BIAR - it shows between 60-80 pax/day and I supply 116 (2 flights). Two warnings already. Are real pax figures really below 58?