Shame on De Gaulle MT2

[swiftus27]

Examples of Bad Behaviors:

Route dumping.  Hence the 200% rule.
Specifically targeting other's routes.
Having alliances specifically target one airline's routes.
Slot gouging at major airports with crappy little F.27s (many of you do this)
Returning leased A/C to their player-owners after changing the seating to 3 HD seats only (sort of fixed, it seemed)
Going bankrupt so others can get those planes early. (fixed by Sami awhile ago... if you went bankrupt all planes went on used market right away)

[Curse]

If the aircraft had a bad, but usable configuration, then that is ok, but to intentionally attempt to "trick" people into buying an aircraft that cannot be used ....  that is not in the spirit of the game.

Regarding the other "much more negative" things in the game, what are you referring to?

The aircraft can be used. It only takes four ingame days and some cash.

The much more negative things swiftus27 posted already.

Let me say it again;
1) Nobody must buy/lease this aircraft.
2) Everybody can reconfigurate this aircraft if he get's it for little money.
3) The game standard configuration for B777-200 is crap, so please stop using it! 

I really don't see the problem. If De Gaulle wants to sell his aircraft with these conditions it is his choice. He is the owner of this aircraft and if he decides he will destroy it with a giant bulldozer he can.

It's only his business what he is doing with his aircraft.

[swiftus27]

All I am asking is at least try.   As I said on the last page, all of the a/c that I plan on leasing out have a setup that most would use without spending alot on changing them out.

Using the defense of "He can do what he wants with his planes" means he should be allowed to do most of the ills posted by me previously.

Essentially, why not just have the plane empty for sale??? Oh, that's because Sami specifically did something to prevent that from happening.  

[Dookz]

Configuring any plane like that especially large ones with the least high density seats should not be allowed by the system anyway.

[Sami]

Yes it shouldn't be and that's why I wondered that how this was possible. But I see it did allow that so made the setting a bit tighter now, you need about 150 Y seats at least into 777 if no C/F class.

[swiftus27]

Why not make a requirement that the plane is "full of seats"?

[ukatlantic]

Examples of Bad Behaviors:

Route dumping.  Hence the 200% rule.
Specifically targeting other's routes.
Having alliances specifically target one airline's routes.
Slot gouging at major airports with crappy little F.27s (many of you do this)
Returning leased A/C to their player-owners after changing the seating to 3 HD seats only (sort of fixed, it seemed)
Going bankrupt so others can get those planes early. (fixed by Sami awhile ago... if you went bankrupt all planes went on used market right away)

I have to agree with Swiftus on this - most of the above still happens alot! 

[Curse]

Because you can adjust the pax comfort feeling with putting more or less seats into an aircraft. It is shown in the configuration menu as "poor", "fair", "good" and "excellent"

[SACEO]

I don't know what sort of "history" there is for people abusing the system or fellow AWS players with regard to a/c configuration, but is it possible that his high selling prices and horrible configuration are intended to discourage anyone from buying or leasing his a/c (i.e., perhaps he is just using the used market to temporarily "store" his a/c so as not to pay unnecessary expenses for the time being)?

Just a thought.

[ukatlantic]

Thats a good thought and totally plausible for them to have done that as AWS doesnt model aircraft storage -and storage IMO is certainly another feature that AWS requires  - sure SAMi will be looking at that in future versions along with the other 1000's of feature requests that get asked for 

[Dookz]

It's possible he is just storing it for good reason to him but being a totally brand new aircraft, its kinda hard to believe.

[SACEO]

It's possible he is just storing it for good reason to him but being a totally brand new aircraft, its kinda hard to believe.

Since he's got one more hub available to launch maybe he is waiting for several a/c to be delivered and then he's going to drop a "new hub bomb" on someone with several a/c at once.  IN the meantime he "stores" the a/c in the used market and makes them undesirable so he doesn't inadvertently lose them (or if someone is foolish enough to buy or lease them he has made a killing in profits so doesn't mind so much).

[JonesyUK]

Whilst we're complaining, what about people who put Aircraft on the market with only a couple of months left on c/d checks? Surely you should only be able to sell aircraft with full D and C Checks??!! (Some unsuspecting person may lease them!). And why is it when I've started a route, someone else can come along and ruin my profit by putting flights on the route??!!



What a daft argument. He's hurting himself by doing this as it makes the plane less desirable. And if the person who leased it BK's, he's lost out as it's going to be returned to him, possibly in a poor condition because the checks have not been carried out.

Get over it!

[swiftus27]

Since he's got one more hub available to launch maybe he is waiting for several a/c to be delivered and then he's going to drop a "new hub bomb" on someone with several a/c at once.  IN the meantime he "stores" the a/c in the used market and makes them undesirable so he doesn't inadvertently lose them (or if someone is foolish enough to buy or lease them he has made a killing in profits so doesn't mind so much).

why would you "hub bomb" someone with planes you have to pay to then have re configured anyways?  Wouldn't you simply use a decent setting of your own. That just doesnt make sense to me.

[Curse]

I also buy some aircraft and decide until they are delivered I must reconfig them. I also get aicraft from the used market and decide after that how I configure them.

There are a lot of possibilities, but even he is doing this just because he's an ass, in my opinion this is ok. Nobody must lease those aircraft as nobody must lease aircraft with C/D-Check soon... and nobody must do C-Checks/D-Checks until he gives the aircraft back.

[swiftus27]

Curse, the problem is that this is EXACTLY the same defense one can use for almost ALL of the other ills in this game.

I got 25 F.27s and need to use them, why not fly to Paris 75x daily from LHR?   

[Curse]

Because the slots are a necessary game feature. There are only those slots and there are no other slots.

But there are more ways to get a B777-200. And if there were just that only one B777-200, you can spend some money and reconfigurate.

This seating thing can be easy avoided by players. Other things not.

[GjedDa]

This game is not only here for makeing the time go away, Its also a game where you should make a company go around. What de Gaulle in MT2 is doing is totally fine I think...

nr.1: If someone leases his plane and go Bankrupth.. Bummer, You have learned, restart and use 10 sec to watch the things you should check out before you lease a plane ( C-D check, range and Capasity )
nr.2: If it does not cost you anything to have your planes on "sold" Its a thing that will be fixed i guess in the future. ( still need to pay monthly lease cost as long as you have the plane ??  or ? )
nr.3: This is a game, in Real life, Companys try to survive so their bosses can take out alot of money in Bonus. And since this is a game, in one way or another someone will try to "win" putting 200% on Routes to kill others, Alliances go together to f*** one guy, Its a part of this game. And yes I know, in 85% of Cases the guy with most fleet and money wins. The pax in AWS dont got feelings for the small guy. Lets blame Sami for sucky AI inteligence in the pax.
nr.4: Play your own game and let the others play theirs. Are they overkilling a route with 400% or Use 8 seat planes from JFK to LHR you can cry to Sami. Flying AMS-LHR with a 50 seat plane 20 times a day I actually think would been nice. Just go to the airport and its feel like waiting for the bus. If you miss one its never more then 30 min to next
nr.5 : stop nagging like little Children and send good and full reports to Sami about things that needs to be better in the future. And 5 years from now the game is perfect (out of todays standard) but got alot of new problems. ITS A GAME, if you dont like it go get a job on an Airport in Real world

[altmants]

OOOHHHH NO.............I got tricked by 1.5 million when the aircraft is valued at 175million...


You don't like the price, don't buy it. Simple as that.

Regarding "tricking" newbies...If they can afford a 175million dollar aircraft, i'm sure their airline is well off and they aren't completely noobs anymore.

[pattN]

This game is not only here for makeing the time go away, Its also a game where you should make a company go around. What de Gaulle in MT2 is doing is totally fine I think...

nr.1: If someone leases his plane and go Bankrupth.. Bummer, You have learned, restart and use 10 sec to watch the things you should check out before you lease a plane ( C-D check, range and Capasity )
nr.2: If it does not cost you anything to have your planes on "sold" Its a thing that will be fixed i guess in the future. ( still need to pay monthly lease cost as long as you have the plane ??  or ? )
nr.3: This is a game, in Real life, Companys try to survive so their bosses can take out alot of money in Bonus. And since this is a game, in one way or another someone will try to "win" putting 200% on Routes to kill others, Alliances go together to f*** one guy, Its a part of this game. And yes I know, in 85% of Cases the guy with most fleet and money wins. The pax in AWS dont got feelings for the small guy. Lets blame Sami for sucky AI inteligence in the pax.
nr.4: Play your own game and let the others play theirs. Are they overkilling a route with 400% or Use 8 seat planes from JFK to LHR you can cry to Sami. Flying AMS-LHR with a 50 seat plane 20 times a day I actually think would been nice. Just go to the airport and its feel like waiting for the bus. If you miss one its never more then 30 min to next
nr.5 : stop nagging like little Children and send good and full reports to Sami about things that needs to be better in the future. And 5 years from now the game is perfect (out of todays standard) but got alot of new problems. ITS A GAME, if you dont like it go get a job on an Airport in Real world

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