Alliance Challenge game world - Participation query

[Jona L.]

And I think just either Multi-leg OR hubs, not both! this would be completely unrealistic, since airlines don't even fly multi legs within the EU... BA would not fly DUS-MUC (e.g.)....

my opinion is bases, with 100 instead of 70 a/c, and maybe 5 instead of 3 hubs... to make them a little more interesting....


Jona L.

[Sami]

this would be completely unrealistic, since airlines don't even fly multi legs within the EU...

It is realistic since that is allowed in reality and it does happen in reality (on thin routes)..

[MattDell]

And I think just either Multi-leg OR hubs, not both! this would be completely unrealistic, since airlines don't even fly multi legs within the EU... BA would not fly DUS-MUC (e.g.)....

my opinion is bases, with 100 instead of 70 a/c, and maybe 5 instead of 3 hubs... to make them a little more interesting....


Jona L.

Yeah, but EasyJet / Ryanair do. 

I hate multi-leg, but facts is facts.

[ICEcoldair881]

i think there will be the same restriction of 6 per airport.

[type45]

No way can there be "blanket multileg."  

Airlines from Europe shouldn't be able to open up routes internal to USA and vice versa.  My biggest gripe of v1.1 was running an airline in the UK and having to compete with random Asian airlines for my Atlantic routes out of Heathrow.  That is not realistic!  JAL does not compete against BA on LHR to JFK.  Singapore does not compete against Virgin on flights to LAX.  And Emirates is never going to open a route from Orlando to St. Louis.  So it shouldn't be that way in this game!

-Matt

I can tell you that CX has the right to fly and complete on LHR-JFK, the only problem is it get the slots and planes to do that, also it want to fight or not. JAL had operated NRT-TPE-HKG before but stopped because of low LF in 1996. CAL run TPE-HKG-BKK everyday, the MD-11 cashed in 1998 at HKG was on the return trip. SQ001/SQ002 is a daily flight of SIN-HKG-SFO. The only SQ plane cashed (at TPE) was on her way to LAX as SQ006 (SIN-TPE-LAX). Even BA had LHR-HKG-PEK and LHR-HKG-TPE in 90s. BR is operating TPE-BKK-LHR now and had operated TPE-KIX-LAX before. This kind of flights IS realistic, at lease i can remeber a number of this example in real life even I do not go to check for it.

[RushmoreAir]

I'd love to do it.

[jetRush]

Please add my name to the list also.

[Maarten Otto]

Like it...

[pattN]

pls count me in....

[MattDell]

I can tell you that CX has the right to fly and complete on LHR-JFK, the only problem is it get the slots and planes to do that, also it want to fight or not. JAL had operated NRT-TPE-HKG before but stopped because of low LF in 1996. CAL run TPE-HKG-BKK everyday, the MD-11 cashed in 1998 at HKG was on the return trip. SQ001/SQ002 is a daily flight of SIN-HKG-SFO. The only SQ plane cashed (at TPE) was on her way to LAX as SQ006 (SIN-TPE-LAX). Even BA had LHR-HKG-PEK and LHR-HKG-TPE in 90s. BR is operating TPE-BKK-LHR now and had operated TPE-KIX-LAX before. This kind of flights IS realistic, at lease i can remeber a number of this example in real life even I do not go to check for it.

I'm not convinced on the CX flight from LHR to JFK.  Source?  Regardless, you're pointing out the exceptions, not the rule. 

Give me one example of an international airline operating a domestic route in the United States.  How about Europe?  Are there any non-EU airlines doing domestic (inter-EU) flights?

-Matt

[Sami]

(some exceptions to the fifth freedom rights are not relevant for AWS since they won't be modeled)


Anyway: Alliance managers. Please start collecting a name list of participants if you have not done so already.

Scenario schedule, and start-end dates will be confirmed next week and after that I shall be waiting for firm signups (instructions for all this later on too!).

[carloscarlos]

ill be in, if anyone wants me!

[Talentz]

Woohoo! We have names 'n stuff ready to go.



- Talentz

[flydreamer]

I'm not convinced on the CX flight from LHR to JFK.  Source?  Regardless, you're pointing out the exceptions, not the rule. 

Give me one example of an international airline operating a domestic route in the United States.  How about Europe?  Are there any non-EU airlines doing domestic (inter-EU) flights?

-Matt

this is an SQ flight doing MUC-MAN route pair.

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[Sigma]

I'm not convinced on the CX flight from LHR to JFK.  Source?  Regardless, you're pointing out the exceptions, not the rule.  

Give me one example of an international airline operating a domestic route in the United States.  How about Europe?  Are there any non-EU airlines doing domestic (inter-EU) flights?

-Matt

By law, US airlines are allowed to operate inter-EU domestic flights (a right that is not reciprocated yet).  It doesn't happen, at least not for rare exception, because of the economics involved, but it is very much allowed.

[ICEcoldair881]

hence why Delta has a hub in Amsterdam and Tokyo Narita.

[marc0o0o0o]

Yes, these things happen in real life and the government is there to make sure everything works fine and isn't unfair for airlines. Unfortunately, we don't have a "government" in AWS and people in here abused of that privilege. I think that airlines shouldn't be able to fly double leg unless either airport is in your base country or basing somewhere else than your base country and I would annul the EU, too. British Airways flies out of England, Air France flies out of France, Lufthansa out of Germany (Lufthansa Italia and such are a different story), Alitalia out of Italy and such. That's how things work with mainline airlines and the great majority of airlines here are mainline so I don't see why we should be able to do things that only low cost airlines do (With very few exceptions).

[JonesyUK]

I don't see why we should be able to do things that only low cost airlines do (With very few exceptions).

Why?

As I said before, I don't agree with trying to mimic reality anyway but especially not with creating rules that don't exist.

[ICEcoldair881]

As I said before, I don't agree with trying to mimic reality anyway but especially not with creating rules that don't exist.

name one. most of the things brought up on this topic are there in reality. hence why they were brought up at all.

Cheers,
ICEcold

[JonesyUK]

name one. most of the things brought up on this topic are there in reality. hence why they were brought up at all.

Cheers,
ICEcold

Sorry, I wasn't too clear. I was refering to marc saying airlines should not be able to fly 2nd legs within the EU, only their own country. There's got to be some sort of benefit of being a member

I realise there are rules about say a UK airline wanting to fly a leg in the US in reality