I am sorry to say but this is getting very boring.....And I know a lot of players are thinking the same thing. We are all paying for 1.3 and yet it still hasn't been released after MONTHS of previews. Please Sami do something....More Scenarios or something.
PS: I REALLY LOVE AWS but we just need a change ;)
Thank You,
Clement
I agree, there are only 3 games available ( one being the beginners world not for experienced). We need to see more improvements and more scenarios. Months of 1.3 and we haven't received a possible release date.
We ALL love AWS but it is time for a change.
Regards,
Jordan
It seems to me a bit that you don't know what you are expecting with next version? Since the original post looks like you are expecting "the moon from the sky", but v.1.3 does not have any major new features (like already announced time ago) but it focuses on various smaller improvements here and there that cannot be done to running game worlds (hence the new version number). ref: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,26356.0.html
And if you happened to see the site news, the next scenario starts in two days.
Will the new game world be with the 1.3 updates?
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 06:01:18 PM
It seems to me a bit that you don't know what you are expecting with next version? Since the original post looks like you are expecting "the moon from the sky", but v.1.3 does not have any major new features (like already announced time ago) but it focuses on various smaller improvements here and there that cannot be done to running game worlds (hence the new version number). ref: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,26356.0.html
And if you happened to see the site news, the next scenario starts in two days.
I didnt say new features.....update and tweaks would be nice and just to remind you that we are paying ;) ive joined AWS 6 months ago and when i joined there were a bunch of previews of 1.3 and 6 months later still nothing......
Quote from: Lurkmat on May 11, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
Will the new game world be with the 1.3 updates?
No.....
I started last june to play again an already there people wanted som new life to the game, 1.3 only fix things and ad some small features a serious update will take years with this tempo heh.
And before that we will be stock with an okay game but not more than that, its way to easy and every game turn out to be the same.
( This post goes for everyone, even though I'm quoting just Sunbao)
Quote from: Sunbao on May 11, 2011, 06:43:57 PM
[...] its way to easy and every game turn out to be the same.
It only turns out to be the same if you make it. If you always base in the same (sized) hub, you shouldn't expect that much different game play. And don't say that you can't otherwise grow big; there are other factors than being the biggest airline.
AWS started as a small project by one man who wanted to do something he likes to do. The project got bigger, more expensive and had to be financed (AWS was initially thought to be Free to Play). Now it's grown alot, but there's still just one man behind everything. Granted, if AWS was given to a team of coders, a lot could happen, but that was never the aim of AWS (I suppose).
Novadays people are used to getting everything right now, and with the least effort possible. For AWS this translates to getting new game experience every time from new
features without players having to change their playing style; that is, their hub and planes they favor. This just doesn't make an equal equation if you think the man power, and the pace of the games.
The solution to this equation is to either vary your games by trying different tactics (even BKs aren't a bad thing - you can always learn from them) or have a break from AWS.
Ok then put more Game World.......theres a new one every 6 weeks thats enough time to get bored!
Quote from: Clement on May 11, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
Ok then put more Game World.......theres a new one every 6 weeks thats enough time to get bored!
Not worth the server load.
I agree with Jps, although I believe that Sami could utilize the user's willingness to help more effectively.
Sadly, I can only emulate what many vets are saying. I know I've volunteered to help many times but never have been taken up on it.
I have played the games with different airports, planes, and competition. There just isn't much else to play for.
I have suggested countless items in Features and most go either don't get responded to, minused without understanding, or other reasons. Some are so stupidly simple, I was sure they'd be implemented immediately but haven't.
I have about 8 airplanes to schedule and I am just not motivated enough to do it. I just know that frequency wins, grab slots, and order tons of planes, and don't worry about commonality.
I'm trying to do my best to help players but even that is getting overly difficult to do.
Sami, I am sorry to direct a small amount of this to you, but I have to.... when you asked for people to help moderate the boards and be game helpers, I am sure many applied. I am surprised that no one got an email saying "sorry the position is filled but I really appreciate your interest". I do know this is your sim first, but there are many people here who have done tons to try to help the community. We just sadly don't have any channel to talk with you and rarely get responses.
From what I am reading, this sim may need a little boost. While there are many people willing to help, their cries are falling on deaf ears.
Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 07:30:33 PM
Not worth the server load.
I agree with Jps, although I believe that Sami could utilize the user's willingness to help more effectively.
Ive ask Sami many time if i could donate money amd or help him with anything and he never answered.....
Quote from: Clement on May 11, 2011, 06:13:25 PM
I didnt say new features.....update and tweaks would be nice and just to remind you that we are paying ;) ive joined AWS 6 months ago and when i joined there were a bunch of previews of 1.3 and 6 months later still nothing......
I think SAMI is practically a one man band DEV wise here, and doesn't have Mr Gates money to employ people to work for him, heck for all we know SAMI has a full time job and this he does as a little sideline on his quest for world domination! ;D
Quote from: ukatlantic on May 11, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
I think SAMI is practically a one man band DEV wise here, and doesn't have Mr Gates money to employ people to work for him, heck for all we know SAMI has a full time job and this he does as a little sideline on his quest for world domination! ;D
Yes, but I'm sure that plenty of users would be happy to help for free if it improved the sim.
Not to mention that this game is using over 50,000 creds per year... so as a 'side job' it sure is nice to gross over $50,000.
Quote from: swiftus27 on May 11, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
Sadly, I can only emulate what many vets are saying. I know I've volunteered to help many times but never have been taken up on it.
I hear you, Swiftus. My comment was indeed aimed especially at those who have been playing for under a year...
The fact of the matter is, we are customers paying for a product that at the moment isn't satisfying us (or a few of us). It may differ from person to person but for some players (incl myself) that have been playing for 5+ months it is getting pretty boring. We have tried to tell sami what we would like to be implemented (granted somethings cannot be modelled changed etc) and they have not been implemented or are taking a long time to get implemented (6 + months). If sami cannot afford to hire staff or increase the server load than its time to up the price a little bit... and / or let people/companies advertise on the website (how facebook make their money).
I would like to finish up just by saying i think it is great how AWS has come along, but if it continues like this for much longer it just isn't going to interest me for much longer.
Regards,
Jordan
Quote from: swiftus27 on May 11, 2011, 07:51:42 PM
Not to mention that this game is using over 50,000 creds per year... so as a 'side job' it sure is nice to gross over $50,000.
I'm not sami, but I think that money is not the main motivation for him. You have to take the time he uses to develop AWS (and all the server costs,taxes etc.) into consideration before you start counting the "$$$" the game makes.
I've been playing AWS since beta and still enjoy it. This game has changed much since beta times, and sometimes there are periods when nothing seems to move on, yet here we are now with many features that we could only dream when beta was going on.
Quote from: swiftus27 on May 11, 2011, 07:51:42 PM
Not to mention that this game is using over 50,000 creds per year... so as a 'side job' it sure is nice to gross over $50,000.
I hear you, but dont forget all the costs involved in running this sim and whatever taxes have to be paid on that income too, I bet not much of that $50k goes into SAMI's Ferrari fund :laugh:.
Anyway I think SAMI does a brilliant job here and granted there are numerous improvements that need/would be nice to have in AWS to make it even more attractive/have better playability but think of AWS as a vintage wine the longer you leave it the more mature it will get and how the paletability will improve on tasting, same principle goes for AWS IMO; the longer AWS continues to get our support the better and more fun this game will be as new improvements and better playability come online, granted V1.3 has been in the pipline for a while, but we don't know what contrstaints SAMI is having to work to get it working and what legal/employment issues he may be subject to if he accepted development assistance from the players to get the upgrades moving along :)
Quote from: swiftus27 on May 11, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
Sami, I am sorry to direct a small amount of this to you, but I have to.... when you asked for people to help moderate the boards and be game helpers, I am sure many applied. I am surprised that no one got an email saying "sorry the position is filled but I really appreciate your interest".
Yes good point to pick up on and I'm surprised nobody mentioned it earlier (but then I though it may have only been me), this is very unprofessional, seeing as AWS is a business (https://www.airwaysim.com/Information/Company). Although much more communication is becoming electronic these days, most companies have the courtesy of letting the unsuccessful applicants know before announcing the positions dealt out.
Also there is such a piece of legislation in the UK (and maybe the EU) called the Freedom of Information Act, which allows public to see the published financial records of a company each year. Is there such a thing in Finland? Or is it applicable to us seeing as there is an international client base? It would be interesting to see where the Credits are going, either into the business investing in improvements, funding other projects, wages, corruption, etc.
A LOT of people offer him help and yet he doesn't want any.......and I'm sorry but its the truth that it DOES get boring.
Quote from: alexgv1 on May 11, 2011, 08:35:26 PM
Also there is such a piece of legislation in the UK (and maybe the EU) called the Freedom of Information Act, which allows public to see the published financial records of a company each year. Is there such a thing in Finland? Or is it applicable to us seeing as there is an international client base? It would be interesting to see where the Credits are going, either into the business investing in improvements, funding other projects, wages, corruption, etc.
hm that would be very interesting to find out... I wonder where I could find that out and if sami could produce it.
Quote from: alexgv1 on May 11, 2011, 08:35:26 PM
Also there is such a piece of legislation in the UK (and maybe the EU) called the Freedom of Information Act, which allows public to see the published financial records of a company each year.
FOI relates only to UK PLC which wanted to show transparency in government and does not encompass private/plc businesses, I couldnt go to say Virgin Atlantic and ask for their financial records to see how they are doing, it would be business suicide for them to give such comercially sensitive information away. :o
Quote from: ukatlantic on May 11, 2011, 08:45:45 PM
FOI relates only to UK PLC which wanted to show transparency in government and does not encompass private/plc businesses, I couldnt go to say Virgin Atlantic and ask for their financial records to see how they are doing, it would be business suicide for them to give such comercially sensitive information away. :o
Thanks for the info, it's a pity though.
Quote from: Clement on May 11, 2011, 08:36:04 PM
A LOT of people offer him help and yet he doesn't want any.......and I'm sorry but its the truth that it DOES get boring.
I am getting offended on this type of messaging; since (sorry), you are just assuming things. I mean if some teenager PMs me that "I am is very good at computers and I want to help in coding" (literally such words really, with no references or such), what could I seriously do with that.
Coding of the software is one thing that will not leave my end, apart from possible various small "module" style projects. But for data collection and similar things; I guess you do not know that 90% of the airport data is not collected by me, and various aircraft data too (but I am still myself actually going thru the Jane's books which I got some time ago to add up new models to the database; the info digging is kinda fun too). For future features, the city demand thingy will require a lot of user help since the whole world needs to be checked (world locations vs. map), and there will be a separate public tool for that. Same for additional airport informations.
Moreover; I have had a couple of people helping out in some data tasks but in 3 of 4 cases the guy has not completed the task (and not talking about any "nuclear science" type of things still again..). So this is why I am reluctant in writing the necessary instructions on how to do it just to find out that was a waste of time.
But all I can think of is that if you are bored, then take a break. Simple. No matter how great a game would be nobody can be entertained forever (this applies to ANY game, hobby, etc..).
Quote from: swiftus27 on May 11, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
I have suggested countless items in Features and most go either don't get responded to, minused without understanding, or other reasons. Some are so stupidly simple, I was sure they'd be implemented immediately but haven't.
Usually the "stupidly simple" things end up taking most time (= lots of various small things with no real improvements). And even if those various nifty little things are made people cry about these "unnecessary logo makers" etc. It's so fair... :P Or in other words; currently I would really like to focus on the big things instead of various small tweaks; after v.1.3 is done especially.
And for feature requests, I am not even planning to respond to each of them, since in most cases there really is nothing to discuss or reply. So a reply would be just meaningless forum fillup from me. If it is left open it is under consideration for future, or if declined/duplicate/etc if closed (Info (https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,4.0.html)). I've gone through the forum today for example a lot (which I do when scouting for development items) and usually do searches with keywords related to my day's item and even 2-yo topics are included in this and are used for references and ideas.
(btw. is someone really that surprised that I visit the forums every day? ..multiple times a day actually. And do read all the messages in all public AWS forums every day too. I have not counted but my average AWS time use per day is usually between 1-6hrs / day)
Alex, there's one thing if the company is a PUBLIC company. There is another if it is owned by one person. For instance an S Corp in the USA rolls right into an individual's tax return. You have no right to look at the financial statements.
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
But all I can think of is that if you are bored, then take a break. Simple.
On that point, that is also true, I have had a few breaks over varying times in my AWS career when I don't get entertainment anymore or feel the passionate fire to play going out in my heart. When I return the game is usually more enjoyable (absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe). I remember the last time I was on a deliberate break the game ticked over from v1.11 to v1.2 and there plenty more features to play with. I've said I wouldn't play another game world until v1.3 but there are still things I want to do in the game so I was wrong when I said so.
Quote from: alexgv1 on May 11, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
On that point, that is also true, I have had a few breaks over varying times in my AWS career when I don't get entertainment anymore or feel the passionate fire to play going out in my heart. When I return the game is usually more enjoyable (absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe). I remember the last time I was on a deliberate break the game ticked over from v1.11 to v1.2 and there plenty more features to play with. I've said I wouldn't play another game world until v1.3 but there are still things I want to do in the game so I was wrong when I said so.
Same here, if I get really bored I stop playing for a while until a game/new version comes along and takes my fancy, but I alwys come back to AWS, Anyway I for one say keep up the good work SAMI and thanks for giving us an enjoyable game to play!
Quote from: ukatlantic on May 11, 2011, 08:58:59 PMSAMI
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?
Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?
Nope just something I've alwys done or maybe because he's the grande fromage of AWS and deserves his name in caps! :laugh:
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
I am getting offended on this type of messaging; since (sorry), you are just assuming things. I mean if some teenager PMs me that "he is very good at computers and wants to help in coding" (literally such words really), what could I seriously do with that. Coding of the software is one thing that will not leave my end, apart from possible various small "module" style projects.
And for data collection and similar things; I guess you do not know that 90% of the airport data is not collected by me, and various aircraft data too (but I am still myself actually going thru the Jane's books which I got some time ago to add up new models to the database; the info digging is kinda fun too). For future features, the city demand thingy will require a lot of user help since the whole world needs to be checked (world locations vs. map), and there will be a separate public tool for that.
Moreover; I have had a couple of people helping out in some data tasks but in 3 of 4 cases the guy has not completed the task (and not talking about any "nuclear science" type of things still again..). So this is why I am reluctant in writing the necessary instructions on how to do it just to find out that was a waste of time.
But all I can think of is that if you are bored, then take a break. Simple. No matter how great a game would be nobody can be entertained forever.
(btw. is someone really that surprised that I visit the forums every day? ..multiple times a day actually. And do read all the messages in all public AWS forums every day too...)
All of this is dead on. I know 10+ computer languages myself and have written many programs/scripts and collaborating with others when it comes to the code is a HUGE pain in the butt and waste of time. Even the small "modules" or subroutines where you have a simple input/output usually turns into a trainwreck. Just because you know how to code doesn't mean you understand all of the current code (I imagine it's annotated, but not to the extent needed for someone to just jump right in) and even then you have to be savvy enough to build in error checking and understand the system inside and out to be able to come up with the error scenarios.
Whether sami is making $5/year or $500,000/year off AWS, it doesn't really matter. If you aren't happy with the product...don't buy it. Here you have the guy who runs the whole thing telling you to take a break, which doesn't serve benefit him at all financially...so why the fuss? There are plenty of similar airline games you can play online, but if you've done the homework (I have) you'll find that AWS is still the best one out there on several levels.
Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?
Must be some sort of acronym?
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 09:03:44 PM
Must be some sort of acronym?
No, it's because you are a "grand fromage"
Perhaps I should capitalize SWISS, BLUE, and MOZZARELLA as well?
Well Sami you never replied asking more info......your lost!
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
Usually the "stupidly simple" things end up taking most time. And even if made people still cry about these "unnecessary logo makers" etc. :P
As a software developer I cringe every time someone utters something to the effect that a feature is 'stupidly simple' or trivial to implement. As you said, they rarely are.
Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:06:17 PM
No, it's because you are a "grand fromage"
You're saying I stink like cheese?? :P (or look like one: Image (http://www.fun-shop.com/show_image.php?im=/img/01/p0057.jpg&size=300))
(not to be taken that seriously .. been coding whole day, so I'm bound to post a few stupid jokes.)
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
Moreover; I have had a couple of people helping out in some data tasks but in 3 of 4 cases the guy has not completed the task (and not talking about any "nuclear science" type of things still again..). So this is why I am reluctant in writing the necessary instructions on how to do it just to find out that was a waste of time.
If I could make a suggestion, you could post all this information that we need, and we as players could do like a wiki with everything you need. When you depend on 1 person, things may not work out, but when you have a good portion of the player base helping out, we'll keep each other honest and fill in when when others fail.
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 09:11:15 PM
You're saying I stink like cheese?? :P (or look like one: Image (http://www.fun-shop.com/show_image.php?im=/img/01/p0057.jpg&size=300))
(not to be taken that seriously .. been coding whole day, so I'm bound to post a few stupid jokes.)
I think you missed this post with "glazed eyes syndrome," common after staring at a computer screen for too long.
Quote from: ukatlantic on May 11, 2011, 09:02:59 PMQuote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?
Nope just something I've always done or maybe because he's the grande fromage of AWS and deserves his name in caps! :laugh:
Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
(btw. is someone really that surprised that I visit the forums every day? ..multiple times a day actually. And do read all the messages in all public AWS forums every day too. I have not counted but my average AWS time use per day is usually between 1-6hrs / day)
To be honest I think this is one of the problems.
You said programming in general is done by you and nobody else and I can understand that and, as I like the game how it is now, it seems a good idea because this will guarantee high quality.
But reading every post? I think it's not because of fun, it's mostly because of legal things. So if it's really because of fun ignore this post, but other people should take care of the forum. In my eyes a manager like you should just concentrate on important things - this for sure includes announcements and hanging around in bug and feature request forums, but the other time could be spend better in my eyes. Not only for having more time to program at AWS, also for having free time do other things.
A small add;
you said you are not answering every post in the bug/feature request forum. I can see your point, but please understand people who take their time not just playing the game but also reporting bugs or request features like this game and would enjoy if you gave them a small feedback. And if it's just a 'Have no time at the moment, will take a look at your request in the feature' or 'No, sorry, I don't like this because [1-2 sentences].' This may also consumes your time, but you honor the people who love your game and try to help and not let them feel they are just ignored and they posts are nothing worth.
Quote from: swiftus27 on May 11, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
Sadly, I can only emulate what many vets are saying. I know I've volunteered to help many times but never have been taken up on it.
I have played the games with different airports, planes, and competition. There just isn't much else to play for.
I have suggested countless items in Features and most go either don't get responded to, minused without understanding, or other reasons. Some are so stupidly simple, I was sure they'd be implemented immediately but haven't.
I have about 8 airplanes to schedule and I am just not motivated enough to do it. I just know that frequency wins, grab slots, and order tons of planes, and don't worry about commonality.
I'm trying to do my best to help players but even that is getting overly difficult to do.
Sami, I am sorry to direct a small amount of this to you, but I have to.... when you asked for people to help moderate the boards and be game helpers, I am sure many applied. I am surprised that no one got an email saying "sorry the position is filled but I really appreciate your interest". I do know this is your sim first, but there are many people here who have done tons to try to help the community. We just sadly don't have any channel to talk with you and rarely get responses.
From what I am reading, this sim may need a little boost. While there are many people willing to help, their cries are falling on deaf ears.
Swiftus, what you wrote is what I tried to explain to many users here.
Sami is good but not allmighty. I mean, he's not Chuck Norris. He has limited resources, especially limited time. We have, say, 100 people proposing 3 nice feats each, so he has 300 proposal, but probably 250 are a more realistic estimate because some of those feat are similar and overlap themselves in certain cases. ne good thing IMHO, would be having polls held between players/users in order to give sami a proposal of, say, 30 features he can choose.
One thing that is important for you is probably useless for me, but if we have 10 feat prosposals each I'm prettu sure that 2 or 3 of them we'll be similar if not the same.
We have people basically "hogging" sami's time so, please, act like mature and smart people, and try to give sami something a bit more limited and really needed to for on.
Democracy is not perfect, but is the best system we've found so far. Usually majority get the attention of the authorities, but not always... Keep this in mind, guys and girls! :)
Cheers
Yes but again we are a LOT of customers here. And if your overloaded hire someone. I dont feel sorry at all because it is his choice not to hire anyone.....dont have the money well bump the prices up. Almost everyone said they would pay more. So hello do something about it!
Quote from: Clement on May 12, 2011, 12:26:52 AM
Yes but again we are a LOT of customers here. And if your overloaded hire someone. I dont feel sorry at all because it is his choice not to hire anyone.....dont have the money well bump the prices up. Almost everyone said they would pay more. So hello do something about it!
+1 This is so true, were not blaming sami because he has done a bad job, we just think that given the circumstances and the amount of people/customers wanting new features/bug fixes that he should probably hire someone to do this... bump up the prices if you want, this simulation needs someone full time, you would not expect this from ANY other gaming website where you pay a fee to play...
Regards,
Jordan
Quote from: J. Oates on May 12, 2011, 08:21:50 PM
you would not expect this from ANY other gaming website where you pay a fee to play...
Probably then better way forward would have been the same what nearly every software company does; release the first version and only issue minor bug fixes during first 6 months but do not develop it further at all?
Quote from: sami on May 13, 2011, 05:25:26 AM
Probably then better way forward would have been the same what nearly every software company does; release the first version and only issue minor bug fixes during first 6 months but do not develop it further at all?
I think Sami, the point is, in the least horrible way, is that those sort of (pretty rubbish) actions are not really a problem when people are not paying a subscription.
Anytime that I have bought outright a game I am pleasantly surprised if they do keep changing and adding things like DLC. And when they do stop its not a problem, I've paid once, I don't need to pay again, I've not lost anything.
And therein lies the problem.
AWS is a subscription service, we have to continually pay to use it. Forget AWS for a moment and imagine a Pay TV service like Sky. When new and interesting programs are on its fine, no-one minds the subscription. If Sky suddenly turned round and just started playing repeats pretty soon everyone would stop paying. AWS is getting to that point it would seem. Another DOTM is about to start, we pay the same subscription cost and what do we get? The same problems with used a/c, the same planes getting 1,000 orders in the first year, the same airlines and players winning, nothing changes. The same experience.
Something needs to give sooner or later. Either AWS will have to make some sort of big change to change games, somehow or players will just leave. I really hope its the first one.
There are many games where players have been left with an unplayable game after they have purchased it. I really feel that AWS delivers a reasonably good return for its modest subscription fee. I also feel that we the players are not abandonded by the developer.
While I would also like to see fixes for some major drawbacks of the game, it seems to me that there is now going on some kind of witch hunt against the game and Sami. I truelly regret that I'm guilty for that too. For now on I'll try to show more positive attitude and I'll hope that will reflect to game development. The problems are well defined. When the time is right, I'm sure that the plyers will be consulted when outlining solutions.
Now back to the game.
Quote from: Dave4468 on May 13, 2011, 05:51:15 AM
AWS is getting to that point it would seem. Another DOTM is about to start, we pay the same subscription cost and what do we get? The same problems with used a/c, the same planes getting 1,000 orders in the first year, the same airlines and players winning, nothing changes. The same experience.
AWS at it's present state is working like any "final" release version should. There are no major bugs, the systems work almost perfectly allround, and I cannot even remember when it has frozen the last time.
What you are talking (with the exaggerated examples) is "a new game" and a complete makeover and features and elements that are not present in the software. Sure, there may (and will) be something in the future, but talking like this and demanding new things like they would be given, granted and guaranteed is not fair. The software is "what it is" - but it is developed with further enhancements & features (what most software developers do not do). And if you are unhappy you have anytime the possibility to not play. With some other software you'd be stuck with the $50 purchase with no new features or updates at all (and possibly not even bugfixes), or in worst case you'd have to pay for version upgrades.
All in all very unrealistic expectations in my mind. Or am I missing the point? This is still a management sim and the scope of the play just cannot magically change overnight (or at all, since the idea of the play is still the same!). As I could very well just state that this is the final release since it is 100% stable and almost bug free; but I am not personally happy with it (missing things I have intended to build to it, and I am sort of perfectionist) and hence I am developing new things to it.
Quote from: Clement on May 12, 2011, 12:26:52 AM
Yes but again we are a LOT of customers here. And if your overloaded hire someone. I dont feel sorry at all because it is his choice not to hire anyone.....
What is this
demand about hiring (full time?) employees? First of all, I am making the decisions; it's not a shout&vote at forums like it feels now unfortunately.
AWS has started as my hobby project and it will remain as my top priority at my time off, but there is no potential for it to expand in such a way that it would support full time employees, or even me for being full time with it to start with (the sale potential would have to triple, or more, at least). But it is of course easy to shout such things "from the bushes" without knowing facts.
And still with all the very advanced things like city demand and such, the revenue potential would not increase since most "average" users are very happy with AWS presently too.
And for temporary help etc, like discussed before, it is often much more time consuming to organize the whole thing (and to check and config it) for someone else than to make it myself. Splitting the coding for example is not something that could be done "just like that". For data mining tasks other people have done it in the past and will do in the future too (but even with that things will not happen overnight).
(and as you can see I am not very happy with the tone of this discussion.)
Sami: The problem with this whole situation is that when you exceed expectations by going above and beyond, the new expectation is that you always go above and beyond. There are plenty of other games to play and while I think it's a good sign that everyone has a common goal of advancing the game, in reality most of these people are being unreasonable with you. I'd love to see as many updates/changes as the next guy, but I live in reality and I know personally that coding and everything else that goes into building a game like this moves at a snail's pace (in the public's eye at least).
People need to realize that sami is like a duck on water--all you see is him moving gracefully through the water, but underneath the water his feet are kicking as fast as they can. If AWS was open source, I'm sure people find there is easily 100,000 lines of code to make everything work as it already does--not to mention the countless hours of brainstorming and thought that went into layout, design, and functionality.
Right now AWS costs (for one game) only 67 cents/week--the cost of a can of soda. I'd also like to point out that there are ZERO advertisements on this website. We're getting much more bang for our buck than you guys are giving him credit for...
Well your not the only one not happy. Guess what we are the one paying and your the one making money.
I just really think it's out of line to call out the the person who is making the this game saying hes not doing enough for the game. I myself hate for people to call out my work and tell me I'm not Doing enough or not doing something right. Maybe I just see this as a attack on the guy who put his time into this game and your going to call him out about it? I just don't think it's right.
You no what keep paying for the SAME thing with nothing new over the last 6 months. Its your money not mine. And Sami must be making good money with AWS and yet everyone feels sorry for him. Wow people wow......
Clement. Seriously. READ what I posted. You have in no point purchased any guarantees for upgrades or changes but the present version and status of the software. And stop assuming things like "we" and "everybody" since you are wrong: Majority of the users are still extremely pleased with AWS, look at the user survey done a few months ago for example.
There WILL be updates and new versions according to the present plans but try to understand that they are not coming for granted, and plans may change, and at any point you have not paid a dime for them (until ready, tested and released), so you cannot act like that and demand things "now", since I assume you do not have the idea how large and complex the software already is!
End of this topic since nobody has anything meaningful to say, any furter comments via PM.
(fyi. Removed also one comment as it was too much of an personal attack towards other user, no need to fight.)