What is exactly International Shorthaul in the US?
I have looked at several cities that show some International Shorthaul demand (such as IAD that is my HQ in the current game), but I can't come up with any reasonable explanation af far as what the figure could represent. It is shown as 11% of destinations, but when I look at parts of Caribbean, Canada and Mexico, I can't come up with 11% figure, whether it is by number of pax or potential revenue. (it seems way less than 11%).
International Longhaul, shown as 29% is probably 5x in pax, and 20x in revenue copared to anything that could classify as International ShortHaul.
International short haul is any flight which says "international" in the description.
That usually means <2,500 nm
Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 05, 2011, 02:21:41 AM
That usually means <2,500 nm
No!
international is any traffic crossing a country's border, whereas USA is a single country. Interstate traffic is considered domestic, and is regardless of the distance. JFK to HNL is still a domestic flight, even though being farther than JFK-LHR.
So, to compile:
domestic = any traffic within a countries borders.
international shorthaul = traffic leaving a country. But: if crossing a continent not farther than 2400NM (->Long haul) if within a continent usually all under roughly 3000 NM (dependent on individual factors)
international longhaul = intercontinental traffic over 2400 NM and inner-continental traffic under roughly 3000NM (-> cf. shorthaul)
Jona L.
EDIT: Corrected the one or the other Typo, was on Mobile device this morning... (Biology lesson was soooo boring ;D )
Jona, that's pretty much what I said, except you said 2400 nm, and I said 2500 nm, which I guess is my mistake.
Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 05, 2011, 11:45:19 AM
Jona, that's pretty much what I said, except you said 2400 nm, and I said 2500 nm, which I guess is my mistake.
You did not specify where to 2500NM... 2500NM within the US is still a Domestic flight, so I just said more explicitly what is what.... [see my example of JFK-HNL]
I guess this is because in North American, outside US most of the airports are relatively small.
As a route's pax is calculated based on both airports (I only assume), therefore you can't get a decent international short haul for US airports
Quote from: JumboShrimp on May 05, 2011, 01:57:54 AM
What is exactly International Shorthaul in the US?
I have looked at several cities that show some International Shorthaul demand (such as IAD that is my HQ in the current game), but I can't come up with any reasonable explanation af far as what the figure could represent. It is shown as 11% of destinations, but when I look at parts of Caribbean, Canada and Mexico, I can't come up with 11% figure, whether it is by number of pax or potential revenue. (it seems way less than 11%).
International Longhaul, shown as 29% is probably 5x in pax, and 20x in revenue copared to anything that could classify as International ShortHaul.
Some of the pie charts don't seem to be 100% accurate, but unless we can find new data I think they have to stay that way. The original data seems to have come from this request thread, which also explains the distance used for international short/haul long-haul distinction in AWS:
https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,13.msg31.html#msg31
I raised a similar point about Cairo, as domestic demand there is very low:
https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,21750.0.html