I have a fewroutes that is 700NM and has a Passenger demand of 100-220 a day. I also have a few routes that are 1400-1700NM with 100-200 Passengers a day. I don't wish to add two fleet types to my fleet and I was wondering which Aircraft everyone would recommend for these routes.
Thank you
J. Oates
There are a few fleet groups that can handle both just fine. 737NG, A32X, Bombardier BCS, or Embraer.
Quote from: J. Oates on April 27, 2011, 07:42:35 AM
I have a fewroutes that is 700NM and has a Passenger demand of 100-220 a day. I also have a few routes that are 1400-1700NM with 100-200 Passengers a day. I don't wish to add two fleet types to my fleet and I was wondering which Aircraft everyone would recommend for these routes.
Thank you
J. Oates
A32X familyA318
A319
A320
A321
Nothing beats these babies. one set of tools, one fleet type no classic or NG crap.
Cheers
VJC
I was thinking about using the A32x family but with some routes being only a 100 passengers I thought I'd be wasting fuel and seats, am I wrong in thinking this?
Quote from: J. Oates on April 27, 2011, 08:04:41 AM
I was thinking about using the A32x family but with some routes being only a 100 passengers I thought I'd be wasting fuel and seats, am I wrong in thinking this?
318 is competitive for 100 pax routes.
so boeing 717 and embraers 195s our out of the picture? Should I go for the airbuses?
Quote from: J. Oates on April 27, 2011, 08:38:34 AM
so boeing 717 and embraers 195s our out of the picture? Should I go for the airbuses?
I guess they are somewhat acceptable, but nowhere near as versatile as 737NG and A320 line if you want to use only 1 fleet group. You need to look at range of pax capacities and ranges of aircraft as well.
Embraer 195 is acceptable, but you need to compress Y class....
B737NG!!! always over the A32Xfamily!!!!
There was (way back, about 2 years or so ago, didn't find it anymore) a comparison between A321-200 with B737-800, and the B738 in AWS pulls in about a Million more/Year if used on the same routes with the same LF [all using theoretical values, but pretty realistic, and WORKING]
Besides the Diningtable for pilots on the A32X fam. there aint no big of a deal between those, except for the horrible FBW system on the A320s [FBW=Fly by wire*]
Choose the B737NG
-B736 works fine on a route with 80 seats :)
-B737 is pretty much sufficient, as B736 provides the low-pax routes, and B738 sucks less fuel despite having about 30PAX more
-B738 Superb for all routes between 130 and open end demands. Works great on all ranges, even for Trans-Atlatic Operations. **
-B739ER successor over the std. B739 due to the possibility of Trans-Atlatic ranges as well, but both great for all routes with 175 and more PAX.
Jona L.
*As of the poem: "Fly by wire - say your prayer"
** Thanks to sami not having ETOPS in here ;D
Anyone else have the opinion of jona?
The boeing fleet uses more fuel the airbuses though. :-\
IMO both 737ng and a320 are excellent. If longer range is desired I would go with 737 otherwise a320
as with most aircraft in this game, there are often more factors that need to be included. Proximity to other airports, fleet commonality, and more also need to be included. I can see merit in both A/C.
Quote from: J. Oates on April 30, 2011, 07:43:51 PM
Anyone else have the opinion of jona?
The boeing fleet uses more fuel the airbuses though. :-\
But in the end the 737 is more efficient, as it has lower maintenace cost in some points, etc.
generally I have a bit of a dislike towards airbus [because it is French and not American, but that ain't the matter], except for the A300s [no FBW ;D ]. but Boeing always was and will always be a successor over Airbus especially since their fat-ugly-lady called A380
Woah airbus is not just French, Its British aswell... we manufacture the Rolls Royce engines and wings...(among other things)...and I wouldn't say boeing is a successor over airbus, even the US airforce wanted the airbus A330 over the Boeing 767, until boeing had a baby fit and modified the 767 ...
and the ugly A380 maybe ugly...but its actually flying and in service unlike the 787...
but besides the RL fight between Airbus and Boeing, I'm here to find whats the best aircraft in AWS for these routes lol
Airbus aircraft manufacturing is coordinated over a very wide range of European countries, making them more European than actual French aircraft (which also provides employment for many Germans, Jona ;)).
Quote from: Quinoky on April 30, 2011, 09:23:53 PM
Airbus aircraft manufacturing is coordinated over a very wide range of European countries, making them more European than actual French aircraft (which also provides employment for many Germans, Jona ;)).
Very true i stand corrected +1
Quote from: Quinoky on April 30, 2011, 09:23:53 PM
Airbus aircraft manufacturing is coordinated over a very wide range of European countries, making them more European than actual French aircraft (which also provides employment for many Germans, Jona ;)).
I know.... and companies like Mercedes Benz may not sell their parts/stocks of EADS/Airbus, to keep a German-French level in it, making MB have losses in their stock owning section...... anyways, I don't really care, as for me no European country is a real option... none that I would like, but that has nothing to do with AWS, neither with Boeing vs. Airbus and even less with Airbus vs. Boeing in AWS ;D
As for general I will (somewhen later tonight, when I am done managing my airline) serach that dusty old topic with the A32X vs. B737NG thing again.
for now I say cya laters :)
I thought you said one of the reasons that you preferred Boeing over Airbus aircraft, is because Airbus is French, which is why I brought up the matter. Anyway, let's not take this too far off-topic. :)
Quote from: Quinoky on April 30, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
I thought you said one of the reasons that you preferred Boeing over Airbus aircraft, is because Airbus is French, which is why I brought up the matter. Anyway, let's not take this too far off-topic. :)
Just found the confusing part... I just did not explicitly mention that it had nothing to do with a
de-facto Boeing vs. Airbus so no personal things, just the
facts
I'm about to go ahead and my decision, I'm choosing between the A32x, boeing 737NG, or Embreaer 195s... Can anyone have look at belfast aldergroves pax demand and tell what you would do in my situation.
Thank you,
J. Oates (FlyEurope)
Or even the boeing 717 :)
From what I can see, the demand out of Belfast is good but not that good to pay for an A32x or 737NG type of aircraft.
Plus, as many of the routes that are already operated by medium-sized aircrafts (Q400, ATR, CRJ and EMB), to add large sized aircraft would hurt your LF, thus I would use a similar airplane to your competitors.
The best airplane in the 100-120 pax scope is the E195 IMHO. It's fast, can turn it around shortly, it's medium sized (good for pilot wages), has range and pax-scope (from 68 to 118 seats), and best of all: you can kill the competitors that operate larger airplanes.
But that's just me, I'm a fan of the E-Jets from previous game worlds!
Quote from: ArcherII on May 03, 2011, 07:08:27 AM
From what I can see, the demand out of Belfast is good but not that good to pay for an A32x or 737NG type of aircraft.
Plus, as many of the routes that are already operated by medium-sized aircrafts (Q400, ATR, CRJ and EMB), to add large sized aircraft would hurt your LF, thus I would use a similar airplane to your competitors.
The best airplane in the 100-120 pax scope is the E195 IMHO. It's fast, can turn it around shortly, it's medium sized (good for pilot wages), has range and pax-scope (from 68 to 118 seats), and best of all: you can kill the competitors that operate larger airplanes.
But that's just me, I'm a fan of the E-Jets from previous game worlds!
ME TOO, but last time I used the E 195 I went bk, maybe I ordered too many, Thank you for your opinion, I think your right
Quote from: J. Oates on May 03, 2011, 07:12:13 AM
ME TOO, but last time I used the E 195 I went bk, maybe I ordered too many, Thank you for your opinion, I think your right
E-Jets are better if you make them to fly 3 or more flights a day, and given that Belfast has a LOT of airports less than 400nm away, you can make more than 3 a day.
Yea your right, but what about the routes that are 1000NM away like Malaga and Palma de Majorca, can I make money on these routes?
Yes you can, but first try to concentrate on the shorter routes so you can have a greater revenue. Anyway, you can serve Mallorca and 2 very short routes in the same day. But if you're going to serve those 1000nm routes be sure to avoid competition in this early stages, try to build some money. This is true if you operate an E-Jet or an A32x or a transatlantic. Don't be shy on adding C-class, specially on long routes.
I suggest 717, since it's availability is unbeatable right now.
717 vs Embraer 195... i think the embraer wins no?
I've made the plunge and leased an embraer 195... i put it on routes to dusseldorf, oslo, and stuttgart... not many routes without competition so I've made do with these three, I will see if it produces a profit then i'll lease another one.
Any hints and tips would be extremely appreciated :)
J.Oates
Quote from: J. Oates on May 03, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
I've made the plunge and leased an embraer 195... i put it on routes to dusseldorf, oslo, and stuttgart... not many routes without competition so I've made do with these three, I will see if it produces a profit then i'll lease another one.
Leasing just one unit of a type to judge its suitability for your airline is not very effective nor efficient. To offset the commonality costs and associated overhead with adding a new fleet type, you really need to order multiple examples for such an experiment to be cost-effective. I don't have any experience operating the E-jet family but from the sounds of it (with the small profit margins on regional a/c), you will be lucky to even make money just flying one of them.
Okay well I leased a second one, However I'm having difficulty finding routes with zero competition... so I put the 2nd E-Jet on a route with small competition. I have a feeling though that i'll be making less profit now though because it working the maths out i'm spending alot more on salaries now opening those 3 routes...we'll see though when my RI goes up and my LF goes up