What a mess today has become here in the UK! All aircraft to be grounded from noon but most flights from northern UK airports have been grounded since early this morning...
All because of some dust!
Notice the absence of aircraft over most of the UK, at this time it should be crowded with domestic and international flights!
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Maybe one day we will have random events like this in the game ;D
dont start with random events. I've begged all I could.
And wow, I never knew that CDG was so busy.
CDG will be even busier than normal as it seems there are a number of LHR bound flights that wont make it there before it closes and are diverting to CDG.
Latest is that AMS and BRU will also close later today as well as Denmark and Norway where fights have already been grounded.
Quote from: NorgeFly on April 15, 2010, 09:58:02 AM
All because of some dust!
Volcanic ash is a little more than just "some dust". Bear in mind it's not ash in the normal sense of the word. It's a fine powdered rock with other assorted nasties in it, namely chunks of glass. Little bit of havoc in a jet engine... ;)
Also a quip on the matter...
Eyjafjallajoekull Glacier: 1, Striking BA Cabin Crew: 0
Yes you're right, volcanic ash is indeed very nasty stuff when it comes into contact with aircraft. Perhaps calling it "some dust" didn't quite do it justice ::)
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271309704.png
Quote from: NorgeFly on April 15, 2010, 09:58:02 AM
All because of some dust!
Some dust is rather ignorant term of this. Not nice to have the plane sandblowed in the air, or have all of the engines shut down midair due to the stuff out there. :P
(I'm just supposed to go to Brussels.. but let's see)
"Some dust" :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9)
QuoteOn 24 June 1982, the route was flown by City of Edinburgh, a 747-236B registered G-BDXH. The aircraft flew into a cloud of volcanic ash thrown up by the eruption of Mount Galunggung, resulting in the failure of all four engines, although the reason for the failure was not then apparent to the crew or ground control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867)
QuoteOn 15 December 1989, KLM Flight 867 en route to Narita International Airport, Tokyo from Amsterdam was descending into Anchorage International Airport when the Boeing 747-400, less than 6 months old[1], flew through a thick cloud of volcanic ash from Mount Redoubt.[2] All four engines failed leaving only critical systems on backup electrical power
Quote from: sami on April 15, 2010, 11:43:45 AM
Some dust is rather ignorant term of this. Not nice to have the plane sandblowed in the air, or have all of the engines shut down midair due to the stuff out there. :P
(I'm just supposed to go to Brussels.. but let's see)
I am far from ignorant of the dangers of the dust and was not suggesting at all that it is harmless dust. I work in aviation and am fully aware of the dangers of volcanic dust/ash and was in fact involved in the operations side of things in this mornings first wave of cancellations in the UK.
My point was/is that it's quite amazing to see such widespread disruption due to what ultimately is... dust!
Good luck getting to Brussels, I am supposed to fly tomorrow but suspect that might not happen! But better to be safe than sorry! ;D
yes, didn't get to go there.. got to the airport just in time to get a call to go back home ;)
A CX A330 also lost both engines prior to landing yesterday, luckily didn't end up like the BA B777...
Not about dust anyway ;D
Copenhagen is closed until noon tomorrow..
I have booked flight arriving there after 2100 so I hope, they'll open it on time...
Quote from: CX717 on April 15, 2010, 03:52:42 PM
A CX A330 also lost both engines prior to landing yesterday, luckily didn't end up like the BA B777...
Not about dust anyway ;D
Are you sure they lost both engines?
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42a1000b&opt=0 (http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42a1000b&opt=0)
A BA flight did the same back in the day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9
I have a friend who is up on the Shetland Isles (They're NE of Scotland for those don't know :)) and he says the air now smells of eggs there. I'm in Manchester and I'm wondering if the clouds are looking a little yellow. Has anyone else seen anything unusual?
Not as of yet but I'm near Hereford, it'll be a few days before I see anything if at all. Although I have seen reports of the egg smell as far south as Aberdeen.
Hopefully sunsets might be a bit more impressive with some new colours.
And a query, where has the OP got that ATC map from?
Here's one from this afternoon, Norway, North Sweden, North Finland, UK already closed.. (that radar service is now jammed b/c all the traffic coming to that server..)
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nice sunset here in Rotterdam, clouds were in purple/red/orange like colors. Couldn't find cam to take pictures :(
All I can say is, WOW!!!!! :o
Quote from: Walker on April 15, 2010, 08:13:56 PM
the Netherlands is closed too..
First they go bankrupt and now they send us volcanic ash...
crafty people those Icelandics..
Their volcano gods feed off money...
This is becoming an international crisis, people are so angry..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq96Z2uoRas
Quote from: knutm1980 on April 16, 2010, 01:22:18 AM
This is becoming an international crisis, people are so angry..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq96Z2uoRas
Oh dear! People like that man shouldn't be allowed to fly anyway :P what an embarrassment to the British nation to have him being watched World-wide! :-[
NATS have just announced that UK airspace will remain closed until 1900 (UK Local) on Friday and will update at 0830 for plans to 0100 on Saturday. Some flights may be allowed between N.Ireland and Glasgow.
So in short, another day of grounded flights in the UK at least.
Quote from: knutm1980 on April 16, 2010, 01:22:18 AM
This is becoming an international crisis, people are so angry..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq96Z2uoRas
pretty good, though i think it could use some more cuts in it to make it not so repetitive.
I hate iceland *cut* you know *cut i hate iceland *cut* you know
Its not all bad news. An A310 Air Transat flight managed to take off from glasgow this morning and make its way to toronto. I don't know how long it'll stay up there though ;)
Dutch air space will be closed until tomorrow 0700Z, the Belgium air space will be closed until tomorrow 1100Z.
Czech Republic and Bulgaria also closed their air spaces.
what kind of atc map do you use NorgeFly? Doesn't look like flightradar24?
Quote from: knutm1980 on April 15, 2010, 06:16:17 PM
A BA flight did the same back in the day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9
Knut, you're the best! I was going to mention this event too! :) It's not only dangerous for the engines, but that powder can sandblast your windshield and clog your ventilation lines!
Quote from: cwestah on April 16, 2010, 11:52:37 AM
what kind of atc map do you use NorgeFly? Doesn't look like flightradar24?
It's http://www.radarvirtuel.com/
currently looking very empty as you might expect now... one lonely Aer Lingus A330-300 has just left DUB bound for ORD by the look of it and that is it.... weird!
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British airspace will be closed till sunday afternoon, a few domestic flights from scotland and northern ireland may be allowed to fly , but each flight is cleared indiviually. hmm very strange and intresting ..
ATC guys enjoying some sunshine on the gettin tanned on their sun deck LOL, time to get a bit of tan after a harsh winter without going to spain ;D ;D
VJC
Quote from: V.Castelino on April 16, 2010, 03:59:48 PM
British airspace will be closed till sunday afternoon, a few domestic flights from scotland and northern ireland may be allowed to fly , but each flight is cleared indiviually. hmm very strange and intresting ..
ATC guys enjoying some sunshine on the gettin tanned on their sun deck LOL, time to get a bit of tan after a harsh winter without going to spain ;D ;D
VJC
Currently the restrictions are only in place until 0700 tomorrow, not Sunday.
http://www.nats.co.uk/
That of course doesn't mean that it wont be extended as it has been several times now...
Flybe have announced that they will operate flights from Manchester (north bound only), Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Inverness and Aberdeen from 1300 as long as restrictions are not extended to include Scotland and Northern Ireland again. They're also offering a shuttle service between Belfast and Glasgow from 1900 this evening.
So it looks like things are starting to get moving again which is a good sign :)
I live in Iceland and we're finding the situation... Interesting. Amusing, perhaps. It's not often that something that happens here has a major effect on the world.
Ironically, Keflavik (the main International airport of Iceland), is still open and flights to and from the Americas are still flying as usual.
Haha, you may not find it so amusing if the wind direction changed and closed REK and KEF :P
Quote from: NorgeFly on April 16, 2010, 04:42:36 PM
Haha, you may not find it so amusing if the wind direction changed and closed REK and KEF :P
LOL, good one :)
Well as long as this clears up in 3 weeks time I will be okay!
We are going to Florida on the 6th may so I hope it's all clear by then. :D
Quote from: ChrisMayhew on April 16, 2010, 05:50:51 PM
Well as long as this clears up in 3 weeks time I will be okay!
We are going to Florida on the 6th may so I hope it's all clear by then. :D
With my geography student hat on I can say that Eyjafjallajökull, the cause of this erupted on a continuous basis at varying strengths between 1821 - 1823. So maybe it's three years time.
But I hope not.
Quote from: Dave4468 on April 16, 2010, 05:55:34 PM
With my geography student hat on I can say that Eyjafjallajökull, the cause of this erupted on a continuous basis at varying strengths between 1821 - 1823. So maybe it's three years time.
But I hope not.
Yeah I heard/read that somewhere. I really hope it doesn't keep going for 3 years!!
The worse thing about it is that some insurance companies will not pay out because it's an "act of god".
I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens, A few people our family knows haven't been able to fly out to a few different places.
Holland and the UK wanted cash,
All they got from iceland was ash.
OK, what about this deal:
European countries won't claim debts from Iceland, but Iceland have to create some big fan which will send that ash to America instead of Europe? ;D ;D ;D
by the time we get it it will mix in with the smog we already have.... ;D
no, the actual problem is that Eyjafjallajökull has a sister volcano, which always erupts when the other does, so.......yeah, we're hoping it won't be big! :P
Quote from: Samo on April 16, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
OK, what about this deal:
European countries won't claim debts from Iceland, but Iceland have to create some big fan which will send that ash to America instead of Europe? ;D ;D ;D
:D
However that would be bad for me going to Florida!
Let's hope it's sister doesn't decide it wants to join the party too.
Quote from: ChrisMayhew on April 16, 2010, 05:50:51 PM
Well as long as this clears up in 3 weeks time I will be okay!
We are going to Florida on the 6th may so I hope it's all clear by then. :D
Just about the start of rainy season :P
We'll see if luck is with you sir. :D
If you go anywhere inland make sure you bring allergy meds, it's pollen season now :|
Ok back on topic now, Volcano pooping on Europe
Quote from: Rawrmaster on April 17, 2010, 12:54:03 AMJust about the start of rainy season :P
rain? more like hurricane season....... :P
Quote from: ICEcold on April 17, 2010, 12:56:10 AM
rain? more like hurricane season....... :P
Actually the Atlantic hurricane/depressions rate cycle every 20 years, in the 80s there were avg 15-20 depressions a year, in the 90s 10 a year, in the 00's 15-20, we're probably going into another low number year (last two years have been low).
That being said, I've lived here 80% of my life, I've been in about 10 storms, (Half of them when I lived in Palm Beach between 2002-2006) and for the most part, other than not having electric for a few days, they're non-events. Just pray a tree doesn't fall on anything, stock up on food & water, tie anything down that can fly and you'll be fine.
Anyhoo, Hurricane season starts in June, with September being the peak part of the year.
yeah, hope for another quiet season, finally got settled after Ike hit almost 2 years ago lol ;D
I hope this doesn't last 3 years, I'm planning on traveling to Spain for a cruise next March 8)
Norgefly , mate I told you restriction was till sunday, just heard it again on bbc, looking bad many more countries will be affected as clouds drift .
VJC
...not good at all: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271483349.png
Northern italy joined the bandwagon since yesterday, nearly 600 flights have been cancelled in Milan.
I was at a travelling agency on friday and it was a total mess!!!!!
Turkey is preparing to close its air space. It is not allowed to fly above Zonguldak, Sinop and Samsun between FL200 and FL350. It is expected that the air space above Istanbul (Tekirdag Çorlu, Istanbul Atatürk and Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen airports) will be closed after mid-night.
wow delegates of the world can't even attend the Polish President/First Lady & parlaiment's funeral because of the stupid ash. If it was me, I would fly as far as I could then just descend below the ash and fly there the rest of the way. It would show that "Such-and-such's" President says that attending the funeral of a fallen President is more important than some stupid ash cloud. :P
Hey, that might lead to a chain reaction: a bunch of presidents fly to the funeral of the Polish president, one of them crashes due to the ash. Here comes the next funeral, whereto a bunch of presidents fly, one of them crashes, here comes...
All right, all right, I stop. :-P
Thank you Iceland for ruening my weekend. Had a flight booked with British Midland Baby (AMS/EMA) for a great Diesel Gala rail event in Loughborough. Instead I went for the Bratwurst und Warsteiner in Germany... although I still prefere real ale.
Yes I felt a bit sick about it... but I do understand it has been done for safety reasons... and I get my euro's back from BMI so no trouble with that either.
Quote from: Maarten Otto on April 19, 2010, 01:30:07 PM
Thank you Iceland for ruening my weekend. Had a flight booked with British Midland Baby (AMS/EMA) for a great Diesel Gala rail event in Loughborough. Instead I went for the Bratwurst und Warsteiner in Germany... although I still prefere real ale.
Yes I felt a bit sick about it... but I do understand it has been done for safety reasons... and I get my euro's back from BMI so no trouble with that either.
Oh, so I'm not the only person on here who thinks in planes and trains! ;D
Quote from: Rawrmaster on April 17, 2010, 12:54:03 AM
Just about the start of rainy season :P
We'll see if luck is with you sir. :D
If you go anywhere inland make sure you bring allergy meds, it's pollen season now :|
Ok back on topic now, Volcano pooping on Europe
lol, Thankfully I don't suffer from any allergies so I shouldn't need any meds :)
And as for the rainy season I get used to that from living in the UK :)
According to the news and Manchester airport site the UK will be slowly opening the airports at certain times tomorrow so it's looking good so far :)
In Germany, there are already a number of a/c in the air, at least reallocating. Lufthansa announced, they would start long-haul flights tonight as well. However, there were those reports about a NATO-F-16 facing trouble in the clouds somewhere over Europe and reports from Suisse air measurements that also turned out negative.
Denis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlGi2-A8gEw
A video in Iceland I compiled together from some clips I filmed. My boss flew up there in a Cessna 170 and took me with him - we flew as close as about 3nm to the eruption. Bit of a shockwave near the end...
Although 15 minutes delayed... real time flights above The Netherlands for EHAM/AMS http://casper.frontier.nl/eham/
Things aren't looking too good again with the ash cloud :-\
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2010/volcano/ashconcentration/