Beginning Era

[irro]

Would you just be interested in starting a game from the 1930s, before jets?

[Jona L.]

Would you just be interested in starting a game from the 1930s, before jets?

There was a testing scenario for this about 2 yrs ago, but IIRC it started 1945 and ended in 1955 or so...

the time from '40-'45 is troublesome though, as all of Europe was at war, thus no air traffic was going on, and after that nearly no-one actually travelled, as people didn't have money for it... I know the travel-boom happened in Germany in mid fifties, not sure about the other countries...

cheers,
Jona L.

[brique]

I agree with Jona, the WWII years would be the issue for such a game, which is a shame because the 30's would be a fun scenario, just not long enough though.

But imagine fleets of airships and flying boats.....

[swiftus27]

I was in that test.  

Big snorefest.   So few true planes existed, they're so slow and wouldn't legally be allowed to fly at night.   Many reasons JA is where to start.

Plus, how in the name of GOD do you do 6 link flights like what Pan Am did from SF to HK

[irro]

Pan Am was a "survivor" so show some "r-e-s-p-e-c-t".  They really knew how to "pick you up before they go go "

[knutm1980]

Pan Am was a "survivor" so show some "r-e-s-p-e-c-t".  They really knew how to "pick you up before they go go "

The closest I ever got on flying on Pan Am was Avensa on a few occasions including landing in the jungle..never been so scared on a plane in my life... Insert sad face. The Pan Am documentary is quite fascinating..I wish there still was some mysticism about air travel. Insert extra sad face.

[irro]

I remember on Lao Airways a few years ago to judge weight and balance the stuck a stick under the cargo hold and as the baggage weighed down the aircraft and the stick hit the ground they said it was full and didnt allow anything else on

[Airbus101]

more pressure in the struts please we need to take another bag!  ya because thats how W/B works lol, OMG thats scary...

I remember on Lao Airways a few years ago to judge weight and balance the stuck a stick under the cargo hold and as the baggage weighed down the aircraft and the stick hit the ground they said it was full and didnt allow anything else on

[esquireflyer]

Pan Am was a "survivor" so show some "r-e-s-p-e-c-t". 

Emphasis on "was"? 

[Troxartas86]

I'm 25 and actually had a Pan Am branded toy 747 growing up but I remember always wondering about it because I had a decent amount of flying experience as a kid and just didn't remember ever seeing them in action. I tried to know everything there was to know about planes and airlines back then in the days before wikipedia so it's kind of sad Pan Am was gone already. I was five when they closed down. 

Anyway, we can do a scenario in the 30s as along as everyone spends 1939-45 either in limbo or leasing out all your planes to one of the major militaries on the cheap. If you're lucky, you get some of them back and a precious few of those in airworthy condition. You'd also have to be prepared to lose any orders you place that don't get delivered before 1942 after all production lines convert to military only. It's probably a little too complicated to fairly simulate what would happen to all of our airlines after the war. If you based in a neutral country or one that didn't actually fight, you just might make out like a bandit.

[swiftus27]

Have fun programming that one.

[Sami]

Years prior 1950 are not supported by the system. It has been the design scope since beginning that pre-war era won't be modelled at all..

[irro]

Ok sami. 

There are some pan am railroad cars going around Colorado I used to see.  Same logo as the old airline

[brique]

Ok sami. 

There are some pan am railroad cars going around Colorado I used to see.  Same logo as the old airline

Check the shot in '2001: A Space Oddessy' of the Moon Clipper doing a waltz in space : its a Pan Am : guess even Kubrick assumed they would be a round a bit longer...

[esquireflyer]

Anyway, we can do a scenario in the 30s as along as everyone spends 1939-45 either in limbo or leasing out all your planes to one of the major militaries on the cheap. If you're lucky, you get some of them back and a precious few of those in airworthy condition. You'd also have to be prepared to lose any orders you place that don't get delivered before 1942 after all production lines convert to military only. It's probably a little too complicated to fairly simulate what would happen to all of our airlines after the war. If you based in a neutral country or one that didn't actually fight, you just might make out like a bandit.

Or, all demand between 1939 and 1945 could be adjusted to be only between military hubs (such as San Diego to Honolulu) etc. but in exchange demand between those cities would be very, very high, and you'd be running troop transports basically.

[esquireflyer]

Check the shot in '2001: A Space Oddessy' of the Moon Clipper doing a waltz in space : its a Pan Am : guess even Kubrick assumed they would be a round a bit longer...

Also fun (although created after the BK):

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/File:Pan_Galactic_profile.jpg

[brique]

Or, all demand between 1939 and 1945 could be adjusted to be only between military hubs (such as San Diego to Honolulu) etc. but in exchange demand between those cities would be very, very high, and you'd be running troop transports basically.

be interesting how to model 'neutral' zone traffic : S.America was largely neutral until almost the end of WW2, and in Europe: Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Spain and Portugal all kept out of it.

[exchlbg]

I travelled a lot with PAN AM, because before german reunification they were the dominant airline in Berlin, besides BA.
Lufthansa was not allowed to fly to Berlin.I even did my first flight as a little kid on an PAN AM clipper to Hamburg.I was very proud of the needle to stick on my jacket.I flew them also shortly before their bankrupt on an A310 to New York. You could tell by the look of interior and stewardesses that they were on the way down the line.

Greetings
Christian

[Tujue]

You could tell by the look of interior and stewardesses that they were on the way down the line.

Just finished watching The Story of Pan Am...

[Jona L.]

Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Spain and Portugal all kept out of it.

Sweden was not really neutral... they supported Germany, and were under pretty big pressure by them. Spain was more or less an ally of Germany, being one of the 3 fascist nations in Europe, and having received a lot of 'help' by the Germans in their civil war...

The other three, despite having been more or less neutral, had no real civil air traffic, since there were neither any international demands, nor a way to be able to serve it safely. And populations back then couldn't afford any much air traveling, and since planes weren't really fast, trains were a better alternative.

cheers,
Jona L.