Hi guys,
I am seeing the Ataturk Airport is still a part of Asian region's airport.
As the reality, Ataturk Airport was 3th biggest airport in Europe at 2015 by the passenger number and 5th place for 2016.
Will it change for correctly?
Also the demand number of Turkish airports are still so low than of the reality.
Turkey is a complicated nation in that sense. The bulk of it lies within the classification of the Middle East, and thus Asia, but some of the western sections, Istanbul in particular, lie within what is classed as Europe.
In this case it might simply be a matter of where the airport is. I was just there less than a month ago flying home but can't remember which side of the golden horn Istanbul-ataturk is.
Turkey is classified as Asia. It is per real geographical classifications since most of the country is in Asia...
Istanbul is also on shores of Asia and Europe geographically...
It's really a specific case. Turkey has just a toe in Europe, but that toe is part of Istanbul, a key town in the history of Europe - long even before Turkey was created, and also a lot since.
Plus when playing in the area, all other Turkish airports are in Asia, and it might very well be cumbersome in terms of gameplay, with only Atatürk being in Europe, with the present continental filters. I'm in favor of keeping it in Asia, for simplicity's sake. Even if technically.....
I think too it is easier to have Turkey in Asia and not in two continents. Many people doesn't know the situation of the country. Other case is Russia when everybody know it's Europe and Asia.
I am happy Turkey is not part of Europe in any sense.
Lets keep it that way ;)
Quote from: [SC] - King Kong on August 16, 2017, 09:37:13 AM
I am happy Turkey is not part of Europe in any sense.
Lets keep it that way ;)
I would be quite happy if Russia didn't have any part in Europe either ;)
Yep, about SU / Russia, the use of the filters is quite annoying. Anytime I filter routes by distance, I have to change the selection from "Europe" (my HQ is in Moscow) to "Whole world" and from "All countries" to "Soviet Union" (as there is no intl/LH traffic for now in GW#2, and even later, Moscow will be the only gate to the world so I'll have to do that for every other base).
So players HQed in Turkey should find themselves happy of this small geographical inaccuracy (the Golden Horn is an estuary, located in Europe; it's the Bosphorus that separates European Istanbul from Asian Istanbul - Atatürk is in Europe, and Sabiha Gökçen in Asia).
There are also classification of the likes of Canary Islands that can be improved..
In someone's mind, Cyprus is European but Turkish is not. :D
Due to my request Istanbul Ataturk must be change to Europe. Because Ataturk is exactly in Europe by the reality.
Also Ataturk is 5th biggest airport in Europe by the ACI.aero
Quote from: mr.borak1990 on August 16, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
In someone's mind, Cyprus is European but Turkish is not. :D
Due to my request Istanbul Ataturk must be change to Europe. Because Ataturk is exactly in Europe by the reality.
Also Ataturk is 5th biggest airport in Europe by the ACI.aero
Because you think so it must be changed?
Lol Erdogan speaking here?
Let the things as they are. I don't base in Russia/Soviet Union because you constantly need to switch over to Worldwide and that select Russia or Soviet Union. It's such a headache. Let Turkey as it is, Atatürk Hava Limanı (or the future Recep Tayyip Erdoğan Hava Limanı... ehhh.. I mean third Istanbul Airport) in Asia. Don't need to change that. Otherwise we need to change several airports in Kazahstan either, because technically they are also for some part "European".
97% of Turkey is in Asian. It's one airport and it's there because the country is usually classed as being in Asia. I admit Russia gets two classifications, but is HUUUGE and kind of needs it, there are a lot of airports that are in Europe and a lot in Asian. I would rather countries stayed within one continent where possible Turkey has just one in Europe so I don't think it needs splitting.
Cyprus is in Europe, absolutely no question about that (???). Turkey as a whole is classified in Asia for reasons said before.
No changes are made/planned to this.
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In someone's mind, Cyprus is European but Turkish is not.
Cyprus is a EU member, too. Turkey isn't and will never be.
Cyprus is a complex issue, geographically you might say Asia but being an EU member it's sensible to say Europe. Having both Turkish and Greek Cypriots makes it all a bit muddy.
Although it does follow one rule of world history, where the British have been trouble shall follow!
Quote from: freshmore on August 16, 2017, 05:35:51 PM
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Although it does follow one rule of world history, where the British have been trouble shall follow!
Not sure it's much better where french have been.....
The thought did cross my mind! ::)
Quote from: gazzz0x2z on August 16, 2017, 07:39:48 PM
Not sure it's much better where french have been.....
The same could definitely be said about where the Americans have been...
Sort of, you could argue they just make the places the British, French et al have already been and just make things worse.
Quote from: Sami on August 16, 2017, 04:56:24 PM
Cyprus is in Europe, absolutely no question about that (???). Turkey as a whole is classified in Asia for reasons said before.
No changes are made/planned to this.
Dear Sami,
I dont agree with you.
Turkey is EXACTLY European country and EU negotiation is still continuing.
Could you say to me, If Turkey is not Europe why this negotiation have between EU.
As you know Turkish Airlines has been choosen EUROPE BEST AIRLINE six times in a row 2011-2016 by Skytrax
Turkish Airlines is national carrier of Turkey therefore Turkey is European.
I think, I already proof my request.
Quote from: mr.borak1990 on August 17, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
As you know Turkish Airlines has been choosen EUROPE BEST AIRLINE six times in a row 2011-2016 by Skytrax
Turkish Airlines is national carrier of Turkey therefore Turkey is European.
I think, I already proof my request.
Are you saying that Turkey is a part of Europe based out of the fact that a Turkish carrier won an award???
This is officially the most confusing statement i've ever heard in my life :-\
The trouble is that Europe as a political entity and Europe as a continent are not the same. Turkey might one day be part of the EU(though probably not with its current leadership, but it's the kind of things that change over time), but 97% of its landmass is geographically not in Europe.
In other words :there is no "good" answer. Putting it 100% in Asia makes the game simpler to use, so I like the way it is - but it does not mean I'm right. There is no right setup over there.
Quote from: Danny Williams on August 17, 2017, 09:23:20 AM
Are you saying that Turkey is a part of Europe based out of the fact that a Turkish carrier won an award???
This is officially the most confusing statement i've ever heard in my life :-\
Azerbaijan won the Eurovision Song Contest once, does that make them European either 😂
Quote from: Danny Williams on August 17, 2017, 09:23:20 AM
Are you saying that Turkey is a part of Europe based out of the fact that a Turkish carrier won an award???
This is officially the most confusing statement i've ever heard in my life :-\
If you read above of this statement there is writing, EU negotiation is still continue.
You believe or not but Turkey is European in reality.
Quote from: TK1244 on August 17, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
Azerbaijan won the Eurovision Song Contest once, does that make them European either 😂
That's because Azerbaijan is part of the European Broadcasting Union which happens to organize the event (there are other members such as Israel, Georgia, Armenia, even Kazakhstan I believe). And guess what, Australia is participating too! Is Australia part of Europe? Of course it is!
Quote from: mr.borak1990 on August 17, 2017, 10:16:35 AM
If you read above of this statement there is writing, EU negotiation is still continue.
You believe or not but Turkey is European in reality.
And like Gaz stated above, there is a difference between being a part of the European Union and the country itself being based on the European CONTINENT... Clearly you can not negotiate yourself a spot on another continent...
Quote from: mr.borak1990 on August 17, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
Dear Sami,
I dont agree with you.
Turkey is EXACTLY European country and EU negotiation is still continuing.
Could you say to me, If Turkey is not Europe why this negotiation have between EU.
As you know Turkish Airlines has been choosen EUROPE BEST AIRLINE six times in a row 2011-2016 by Skytrax
Turkish Airlines is national carrier of Turkey therefore Turkey is European.
I think, I already proof my request.
The EU Parliament has voted to suspend negotiations, I'd hardly say that was still continuing. Europe for the most part is a construct of time and history in terms of Cartography. Political integration is not showing that any country is part of Europe. There are some Central Asia countries like Azerbaijan are politically in Europe, being allowed to be members of the Council of Europe. Still doesn't make them geographically part of Europe by what convention says is the boundary.
The Airline award is probably allowed because much of Turkish Airlines operations are based a Ataturk Airport, which is technically just in Europe so Skytrax probably see it as reasonable to allow that classification.
Convention of mapping says 97% of Turkey is not in Europe, therefore it's classification as Asian makes much sense. Where possible it makes sense for the sake of ease to have countries classified as one single continent and for the sake of 1 airport, makes sense that Turkey stays as it is. There are 40 or so other airports which are definitely not in Europe elsewhere in Turkey.
Can this topic be locked before it escalates in some bulls*** political thread?
Oh yeah, I forgot to add "Let's leave this and move on!"
Quote from: mr.borak1990 on August 17, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
I dont agree with you.
Turkey is EXACTLY European country and EU negotiation is still continuing.
Could you say to me, If Turkey is not Europe why this negotiation have between EU.
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Turkey, by land mass, is positioned 95% in Asia and 5% in Europe."
The classification is based on
geography only, so it makes no difference what airline has been voted by whom, or who negotiates with who.. (and like already mentioned a dozen times really, the remaining 5% remains classified as Asia for game play / usability purposes - Russia is the only country that is "split in half").
Simple as that - thread locked.