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Title: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Sami on July 09, 2008, 04:19:52 PM
https://www.airwaysim.com/Information/Aircraft

Check the list and let me know what's missing... (no cargo planes (yet), and no business jets or GA aircraft as it's airline simulation here)


The ones I have noticed so far:

+ DC-8, the later variants
+ All Convair products
+ Lockheed Constellation
+ DH Comet
+ Handley Page Hermes
+ Vickers Vanguard
+ Cessna 400 series
+ Cessna F406 Caravan
+ Pilatus PC-12 (?)
+ Martin 2-0-2
+ Martin 4-0-4
+ HS121 Trident
+ Caravelle
+ Bristol Britannia
+ Airspeed Ambassador
+ Early Boeing models
+ Vickers Viking


Some models that are launched in the distant future cannot be added unless there is enough accurate data for it. The game requires accurate payload vs. range information, data of the aircraft's weights (like OEW, MTOW, max ZFW etc), so it's not just a list of aircraft models with a photo like somewhere else. For example the Mitsubishi Jet that is on the list cannot be actually bought in the game as it's still missing this weight & range data but it will be added as they make more specs available.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Unbornio on July 10, 2008, 11:59:32 AM
How bout the DC-9?  ;D

Hawker Siddeley HS 748E?
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Sami on July 10, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
Check the list... those are there.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Seattle on July 14, 2008, 07:07:17 PM
welll, some of the eairlier Boeings, such as the 247 and the other one  :D
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: YamazaruNinja on July 14, 2008, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: Seattle on July 14, 2008, 07:07:17 PM
welll, some of the eairlier Boeings, such as the 247 and the other one  :D
I can do that one. The B377 and the 314 also I can do. ;)
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Seattle on July 14, 2008, 08:22:42 PM
Quote from: YamazaruNinja on July 14, 2008, 07:45:09 PM
I can do that one. The B377 and the 314 also I can do. ;)
their easy....I want to do them... plus you dont have the list of what you need ;D
Title: What about "Retro Fitted" Aircraft?
Post by: SpeedbirdUK on July 17, 2008, 06:57:52 PM
Are you including a seperate aircraft profile for "Retro Fits" (With Winglets)

E.g Boeing 727, Boeing 737, Boeing 757?

Also i don't see the BAe ATP?
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: love_bus on July 18, 2008, 06:15:04 AM
I remember suggesting something similar before, where you can purchase aircraft addons/upgrades to improve performance etc... (lower noise levels, add winglets etc...). to this day you can still buy addons and improvements for the 737-200 etc... Most are from private manafacturers and so fourth.

i don't think you missed much on that aircraft list. morely those aircraft addons and enhancements.

Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Seattle on July 18, 2008, 03:38:39 PM
You'd be surprised. there are quite a few wholes from before 1980. :D
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Sami on July 18, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
ATP is already on the list.

For the feature of winglet and hushkit upgrades, that's not planned yet. But if it will be implemented, it's an upgrade to existing aircraft, not listed as separate aircraft models as that's not realistic (as the models listed on the page are the "factory spec" models that you can order when the plane is new). Perhaps in the future, that's not so essential anyways as the airport noise restrictions/curfews aren't featured either yet.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: SpeedbirdUK on July 19, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
What is the earliest date AirwaySim is starting from?

in 1950's - 1960's for example BOAC/BEA had these aircraft in service:

Airspeed Ambassador - Primary User BEA - 23 Built
Boeing 377 'Stratocruiser' - Primary User Pam Ann/BOAC - 56 Built
Canadair C4 'Argonaut' (Development of the DC4, 22 Built for BOAC)
Handley Page Hermes - Primart User BOAC - 29 Built
Vickers Viking V.1A - Primary User BEA - 164 Built
Vickers Vanguard - Primary User BEA - 43 Built

Also would you consider the helicopters used by the BEA Helicopter Service?

Bell 47J and Bell 206
Sikorsky S-51 and S-61N
Westland Whirlwind

Also Boeing 234 (Commercial Chinook, Operated by British Airways)

Call me a little patriotic! only suggestions anyway.

You have done a really good job of putting it all together!
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Cody on July 21, 2008, 04:40:54 AM
What about smaller aircraft like king airs? tell me what info u need and i can get it (i'm away for this week though)
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Sami on July 23, 2008, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: SpeedbirdUK on July 19, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
What is the earliest date AirwaySim is starting from?

It's 1950.

I've added the early Boeing models. Helicopters won't be included as the game engine probably don't understand those (all the runway requirements and stuff) without modifications...
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: zillion777 on July 24, 2008, 09:42:49 PM
What about Cessna 172 (4 Seats)and Mooney Bravo(4 seats) will I send you info on those or are they to small ?
Zilli
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Sami on July 24, 2008, 09:46:52 PM
As said before, this is an airline simulation software ...
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Cody on July 26, 2008, 04:07:29 AM
King Air's can be used for smaller airports that only have 100 pax/week or something like that. why fly a B737 to an airport that doesn't have the population to support it. If you tell me what information you need in regards to the aircraft, i will be happy to get some information.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: WilliamH1942 on July 31, 2008, 03:50:38 PM
i dont know if these are planes you would use at these airports..i found a link with a BUNCH of planes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_172
http://www.boeing.com/product_list.html


i just dont want to write them all down :D ;D :o
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Powi on July 31, 2008, 05:01:46 PM
The first post of this thread included a link to https://www.airwaysim.com/Information/Aircraft with a prompt to check if anything is missing. Without looking at your boeing.com link I'm confident that all planes presented there are already included in the game. Good forum etiquette requires that previous posts on the thread are red and understood before posting on it. If you read all of the posts above could you figure out why the Cessna 172 will not be included in the game?

Thanks for your interest anyway.

/edit typos

Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: yourefired on July 31, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
I guess this is a question of timeframe, but Airbus A350XWB.

A350-800
A350-900
A350-1000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A350

Specifications are on the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Sami on July 31, 2008, 10:19:38 PM
There's not enough info (in the detail needed) available on the A350 yet so it cannot be added.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Frogiton on August 01, 2008, 04:54:45 AM
Would the A350 or any other various new plane made be inserted into the game if it has already started. Like say if Boeing starts producing the 797 in 3 years from now will you add it or just keep the old planes
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Sami on August 01, 2008, 06:45:00 AM
Not sure what you mean exactly .. but adding the planes depends only if there is enough reliable and detailed data available so that it can be added. B787 has all the data and it's added already but as A350 will fly somewhere in 2013, there's not nearly enough weight and range data for example yet (what I saw, only MTOW from A350 but the system would need much more data). But when more data becomes available it's of course easy to add them, or change some existing plane.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Mahon on August 22, 2008, 07:36:01 PM
Given the inclusion of the Cessna 208, the Britten-Norman Islander, Piper PA-31 and PA-42, and other similarly-sized aircraft, I am going to suggest the inclusion of the DeHavilland Canada DHC-3 Otter. It was a fairly important aircraft in terms of early airline service in Canada and Alaska, and certainly isn't a minor model in terms of number of airframes built (446, if my memory serves me correctly), and there seems to be no shortage of them still flying in commercial service today (albeit mainly with small regional airlines serving seaplane (which I suspect won't be relevant to your game, but boy would that ever be neat) and short/rough field airports). I would suggest breaking it down into three major engine variants:
*Pratt & Whitney R-1340-S1H1-G Wasp radial, 600 hp (447 kW): the original DHC-3
*Pratt & Whitney PT6A-27 turboprop, 662 shp (494 kW): the 'Turbo Otter'
*Pezetel PZL ASz-62IR radial, 1000 hp (745 kW?): a commonly offered 're-engined' variant from AirTech Canada, introduced in 1983 as a means of keeping Wasp-equipped Otters in service in the face of the original engines wearing out.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Mahon on August 24, 2008, 10:01:38 PM
Canadair North Star/Argonaut. A heavily redesigned offshoot of the DC-4 with Merlin engines, pressurization, airframe refinements. Used, by BOAC, Trans Canada Airlines, Canadian Pacific, British Midland and others.
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Alien on August 25, 2008, 06:36:38 PM
CASA C-207 Azor
Antonow An-10
Antonow An-14 Ptschelka
Antonow An-32
Antonow An-38
Avro York
Avro Lancastrain
Avro Tudor
Bristol Wayfarer
Bristol Barbazon
Convair 110-440
Convair 880
Convair 990
Ju52/3m
Lockheed 18
Tupolev TU-104
Sud-Ouest Bretagne
Sud-Ouest Armagnac

BG
Alien
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: blumentopf28 on October 19, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
And what about the:   Tupolev TU-114?
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: gigosandro45 on October 19, 2008, 10:00:08 PM
what about the Cessna Citation X
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: gigosandro45 on October 21, 2008, 01:08:01 AM
Tupolev Tu-104
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-104


Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on July 16, 2012, 07:42:18 AM
The Diamond DA42 is a twin engined piston aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_DA42

It is used as an air taxi in today's world.  - http://www.diamond-executive.aero/showtopic.php?org_id=514&kb_header_id=250

If you believe this aircraft is "right" for AWS I can start to search for information regarding it's performance.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Aircraft - what is missing?
Post by: Flightman on July 16, 2012, 09:33:58 AM
DC-8 Super 70 series is missing!


The DC-8-72 and the DC-8-73 were straightforward conversions of the -62 and -63, replacing the JT3D engines with 22,000 lb (98.5 kN) CFM56-2 high-bypass turbofans in new housings built by Grumman, along with new engine pylons and fairing of the air intakes below the nose. The DC-8-71 achieved the same end but required considerably more modification because the -61 did not already have the improved wings and relocated engines of the -62 and -63. Maximum takeoff weights remained the same, but there was a slight reduction in payload because of the heavier engines. All three models were certified in 1982 and a total of 110 60-Series DC-8s were converted by the time the program ended in 1988.