...to see old and experienced players hogging the Top 20 airports already (perhaps because they cannot hack it in the harder worlds?). What about giving new players a chance to enjoy these big airports and letting the big boys fight it out in the harder game worlds? I don't think the purpose of this game world is this for the older players. Perhaps something more fitting for an experienced player would be an experiment airline (like the many of Swiftus). That is why I went to Iceland, to have a bit of fun running a small experiment airline there.
Of course I cannot dictate to people how to play the game, but I would ask the older players to search their conscience and give the younger players a chance. I'm sure they would prefer this than embarrassing themselves, there is no achievement to dominating a sandbox.
Yes, this is one thing that I have to keep an eye on. If these worlds become too much the playground of the "big and experienced", I have to re-impose some sort of restrictions to the next one.
As after all it is still supposed to be a beginner scenario, but with a "testing" ability for others too.
i would like to learn how to play this sim. but from reading the forums this past week and seeing the op note, i feel it is going to be hard to learn AND enjoy this sim if this was going to always happen. i had feeling that maybe experience players would joing this stage of game to take up spots and not give a chance for new players to learn how to operate from some airports.
i want to try to see if my demo world experience would carry over to beginner world to see how i can do. i looking forward to trying the other game stages once i learn the sim on a larger way. hopefully sami will take me up on my offer to update some airports passenger demands so i can try to see my airline at home airport ;)
Quote from: sami on March 22, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
Yes, this is one thing that I have to keep an eye on. If these worlds become too much the playground of the "big and experienced", I have to re-impose some sort of restrictions to the next one.
As after all it is still supposed to be a beginner scenario, but with a "testing" ability for others too.
Sami--how about limiting Beginners World based on achievements? For example, if you have more than x number/types of achievements, you can't base at level 5 airports, if you have more than y you can't base at level 4, etc. The more achievements you have, the smaller the airport you have to go to in Beginners World.
I would have sworn exactly this was going to happen and Sami surely will have to alter that concept again. Most players don´t give a hack about the game concept, they want "success", and if it was against total newbies.
I love the idea of this new BW, one thing bothers me though: the game is very short and it costs 5 credits to join, even though the last BW's was 4 times longer and just cost 3... Shouldn't it cost like 2 or at least 3 credits to join? :-[
Quote from: exchlbg on March 22, 2013, 09:04:36 PM
I would have sworn exactly this was going to happen and Sami surely will have to alter that concept again. Most players don´t give a hack about the game concept, they want "success", and if it was against total newbies.
this would hurt the growth of the sim to new players. maybe sami does put restrictions but that would mean the testing of new strategies would only be done in the bigger game settings. i like the idea of experience players cannot operate the large airports. maybe make it the small airports only for them??
Yes well the game's short duration does keep players from getting too big and overwhelming over newbies, at least on some levels. But let's see how it goes.
Not that I'm one of the heavy hitters, or anything, but, i've decided to base at WSSS, and i'm planning on building a quick profit base on a handful of shorthaul routes, so I can practice moving to 7 day scheduling, and getting into LH flights - something I've never managed to do successfully so far. I figure that's the next step in my AWS playing career!
I wanted somewhere with big demand so I wouldn't be hunting in the weeds for PAX. Admittedly, I'm less concerned with "fair play", as I am with "not trialling it in a real scenario", but given that it's the same cost as a real game world, I don't think I'm going against the spirit of the world?
I'd suggest that in future worlds the implementation of some of the previous points made, to stop genuine abuse?
1. lower cost - 5 credits entry fee (equal to other full worlds) means people will treat it exactly the same
2. have some automatic qualification levels that disqualify people from size 5 airports (I'd be happy be trialling this in a size 4 airport - though equally, I'm paying for the priviledge, so I'm certainly not going to feel "guilty" about basing at a 5)
Cheers
Lavo and others, this thread really isn't getting at players like you. You've barely been playing for half a year and your career is still young. I'm talking about big players from large alliances who have been playing for years and can run at large airports in regular worlds. I'm not gonna name names (of individuals or alliances) by the way. They know who they are and maybe their managers should have a word with them about how they're representing their alliance.
If it was to be regulated. Something like excluding players over one year from the top 50 airports by traffic rather than airport size. However the best solution is self regulation and playing within the spirit of the game.
Wishing all the young players starting at big airport the best of luck and I really hope you enjoy it and build your skills to tackle the larger worlds.
I'm in the game but trying something very different from my normal airlines which is what the game is intended for.
Quote from: NorgeFly on March 23, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
I'm in the game but trying something very different from my normal airlines which is what the game is intended for.
Don't worry I don't think too many people are going to be upset over Manchester... Plus your airlines are never usually so big so I assumed that you were doing some kind of experiment (plus I trust that you are a moral player, whereas some other I do not ::) )
I think its a temporary thing, older players haven't been allowed into BW, so 'experimental' airlines, to try out new ideas and strategies, haven't had a home, unless you BK a lot in a standard game world... but that does only allow one shot at 'day1 start-up' experiments.
It will probably be less of an issue by the next BW as the excitement of 'new toys!' wears off a bit.
I do agree that the price is an issue : for experienced players maybe less so, but for newer players we are trying to entice into become regulars, it may be off-putting.
Yeah I was surprise at 5 cr instead of 2 (?) usually. But for such a short game I guess it's necessary.
Brique there will always be those players who are running an "experiment" at LHR/CDG... ::)
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 23, 2013, 12:55:44 PM
Yeah I was surprise at 5 cr instead of 2 (?) usually. But for such a short game I guess it's necessary.
Brique there will always be those players who are running an "experiment" at LHR/CDG... ::)
In all seriousness though, Beginners World is set to be so easy that ANY experiment should be successful. You could probably build a fleet of 15-seaters that turns a profit or the elusive all-Russian metal airline. The only exception might be an all-Concorde airline :)
Quote from: LemonButt on March 23, 2013, 01:32:18 PM
In all seriousness though, Beginners World is set to be so easy that ANY experiment should be successful. You could probably build a fleet of 15-seaters that turns a profit or the elusive all-Russian metal airline. The only exception might be an all-Concorde airline :)
I thought about that last night. Although mine is more of a personal experiment I will probably analyse some feasibility of certain routes and aircraft. Then multiply my fuel costs by five or six and see if it would work in MT. And that is without competition :-\
Quote from: LemonButt on March 23, 2013, 01:32:18 PM
exception might be an all-Concorde airline
Free beer for anyone doing Concorde-only airline, profitable, with 5+ planes.
Oh, and, no alliances because the game is so short that there's not much use for them (much hassle in the setup etc)
True, with such soft settings you'll never get an accurate picture of how an experimental airline will function in a 'real' game-world : I've made an all-E110 outfit work in DOTM, (starting with 15-seaters; now have the newer 20-seat types flying), further evidence that the newish pricing model does benefit small-plane flyers.
I was considering trying for a Pilatus PC-12 fleet based somewhere familiar, just to see where the choke-points actually are in start-up/expansion mode, compared to my previous 30-seater outfits based there. Sanabas did some excellent work trying the mini-plane model out in the last MT(#7), I'd like to try it from Day-1, but I'll leave that until the next BW/Challenge.
Quote from: sami on March 23, 2013, 01:50:45 PM
Free beer for anyone doing Concorde-only airline, profitable, with 5+ planes.
How much free beer?
A pint - to be collected at my place some friday evening :)
Quote from: sami on March 23, 2013, 01:59:47 PM
A pint - to be collected at my place some friday evening :)
Will you make it two if I manage it from BIKF? ;D
Quote from: sami on March 23, 2013, 01:59:47 PM
A pint - to be collected at my place some friday evening :)
A whole pint?
Tempting... very tempting... :P
Quote from: sami on March 23, 2013, 01:50:45 PM
Free beer for anyone doing Concorde-only airline, profitable, with 5+ planes.
Oh, and, no alliances because the game is so short that there's not much use for them (much hassle in the setup etc)
But you made the game start after these majestic birds were retired! Next 'experiment' world start of Concorde era please :3 I'm also using this game to try learn a little more about the game - aside from a short stint in euro challenge and one bankruptcy in mt8 I haven't played since 2010 so I think that's fair :)
its indeed a bit unfair :P a very expired player (with enough money XD) could join and just ruin the whole world ... i think their should be restriction's but not to hard restrictions: like you can't join beginners world if you are playing in an other world. if we do that most high expired players will not join.
but i like it like now to :)
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 22, 2013, 05:14:02 PM
...to see old and experienced players hogging the Top 20 airports already
There is only so much hogging that can be done within the short time frame of the game... Hard to fill all of the demand of top 20 airports by 1 player in the short time...
Quote from: JumboShrimp on March 23, 2013, 10:00:52 PM
There is only so much hogging that can be done within the short time frame of the game... Hard to fill all of the demand of top 20 airports by 1 player in the short time...
To be honest I was wondering how long it would take the usual suspects to show up and fervently defend their kin. But quick to ask for banhammer if its someone like Vito with other alliance.
Quote from: farmtool33 on March 23, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
its indeed a bit unfair :P a very expired player (with enough money XD) could join and just ruin the whole world ... i think their should be restriction's but not to hard restrictions: like you can't join beginners world if you are playing in an other world. if we do that most high expired players will not join.
but i like it like now to :)
I think it's actually really helpful to the newbies to actually be presented with some challenges and get a better insight into the full game worlds. By seeing the experienced players and their methods in play they can learn a thing or two. So that when they play a full game they're more prepared for the LHR shuffle or maybe they realise that 9/10 players go to the top 20 airports so the newbie begins to look elsewhere for a home creating a thoughtful newbie.
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 23, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
To be honest I was wondering how long it would take the usual suspects to show up and fervently defend their kin. But quick to ask for banhammer if its someone like Vito with other alliance.
I am not in the new beginner's world, and as of now who of "my kin" is there to defend...
Quote from: JumboShrimp on March 24, 2013, 03:26:07 AM
I am not in the new beginner's world, and as of now who of "my kin" is there to defend...
I know well that you personally are not. I don't think your personal image would allow you seeing as you have actually enjoyed some success in the game. Like I said I will not name names people know who they are and whether they're doing wrong.
I just joined BW to try a bush airline in Australia flying 9-seaters. It's funny looking at the other airlines. There are several long time players "experimenting" at the large airports to see if running fleets of A320 and B737 will be successful. I wonder if they'll make it...
Quote from: LemonButt on March 24, 2013, 05:01:16 PM
I just joined BW to try a bush airline in Australia flying 9-seaters. It's funny looking at the other airlines. There are several long time players "experimenting" at the large airports to see if running fleets of A320 and B737 will be successful. I wonder if they'll make it...
LMAO... yeah, I wonder. Glad someone else but me can see the wood for the trees.
Quote from: LemonButt on March 24, 2013, 05:01:16 PM
I just joined BW to try a bush airline in Australia flying 9-seaters. It's funny looking at the other airlines. There are several long time players "experimenting" at the large airports to see if running fleets of A320 and B737 will be successful. I wonder if they'll make it...
hahahaha, nice one. Perhaps they can 'blog' about their experiences so we can all learn from it ;D
.. you should look at the top 10 most of them are playing in other world's to...
I have a double feeling of the new rules, the lenght of the game is good , but It should not be that (Very) Expired player's are playing in the beginner's world.
but i suggest the following:
You can join The Beginner's world all the time BUT you can't join if you are playing in a other (full) world . That way we can people that got bankrupt get to the beginner's world. And that way we can keep expired player's out.
But it wouldn't be fair for the good player's to... Since they need new tactics.
I dont think there is a good solution for this ? (exept starting a new world called 'Try And Play' for testing new tactic's with other player's..)
(Sorry for bad english)
i am playing now since the start of beginners world and i am curious how the top 3 or 4 airlines are at +100m in value. are these very good beginners or is it their locale airport?
i am still trying to figure out how to get more out of my airline without multiple fleet types that will increase expenses.
The solution is to limit players to airports based on achievements obtained. The more achievements you have, the smaller the airport you can base at.
Quote from: LemonButt on March 27, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
The solution is to limit players to airports based on achievements obtained. The more achievements you have, the smaller the airport you can base at.
This could indeed help , but it is a hard rule... i dont think that it is fun to have that rule implented
Personally I think that rule would be much better than the no other game worlds rule.
i read thru forums in other worlds and saw how production lines are backed up and how 'squeeze out' the competition can happen. i donot know if it is happen in beginner world right now. i see the a320 and a340 line has alot of orders so i have to wait before receive any order placed on those aircraft.
i think a rule or something should be placed on how experience players use the beginner world. i am still trying to figure out how some of the arilines are at the value and level they are at now. i donot think new players (like myself) can get to that big in so short of a time. or maybe i havenot figure things out in the sim yet
A320 Line BW = 111 Orders
A320 Line MT = 2456 Orders
A320 Delivery MT = 2 years for a small order.
A320 Delivery BW = 3.5 Months for a small order.
Quote from: SuriProf4 on March 27, 2013, 06:58:33 PM
i read thru forums in other worlds and saw how production lines are backed up and how 'squeeze out' the competition can happen. i donot know if it is happen in beginner world right now. i see the a320 and a340 line has alot of orders so i have to wait before receive any order placed on those aircraft.
i think a rule or something should be placed on how experience players use the beginner world. i am still trying to figure out how some of the arilines are at the value and level they are at now. i donot think new players (like myself) can get to that big in so short of a time. or maybe i havenot figure things out in the sim yet
Your are right.. , like 5 month's ago i ended the beginner's world and started with the Modern Times... i got 3x bankrupt in less then 1 weeks (real time)... then i decided that i neede more training so i wanned to go back to the beginner's world.. and guess what ? i couldnt.. i am happy that i can join and learn it again, i know some good basic's and i know my standard fleet (MD-8X B767 B777 and if early in the game BAE system's) and my airline is going good now :) , but i still need training when i get my first big aircraft (767 or 777) because i always get bankrupt when i get larger airplanes...
Anyway i like the idee of the beginer's world rules but they can be better :)
Quote from: SuriProf4 on March 27, 2013, 12:44:08 PM
i am playing now since the start of beginners world and i am curious how the top 3 or 4 airlines are at +100m in value. are these very good beginners or is it their locale airport?
i am still trying to figure out how to get more out of my airline without multiple fleet types that will increase expenses.
Just to answer that, most of those top few OWN aircraft which generally makes your value skyrocket. It's not overly difficult to get to that stage.
im on rank number 6 in Terms of Pax Count. Rank number one in Terms of previous quarter income before tax. I have played in a lot earlier worlds, but always failed. I do not own a single Aircraft.
I am based in Chicago KORD, Operating around 50 737-400 all leased. The Airport is very well in Terms of demand and there is no other strong Airline in this world. I invested a lot of time in making my flight schedules perfect. The less ground time, the better. All my schedules are planned for nearly 24 hours, all my routes are full supplied, but not over supplied. I did not open routes, where another Player is strong but concentrated on empty routes. I leased all my planes for nearly 7 years or until the next D-Check, that combined with selecting the cheapest used planes, makes Leasing costs minimized.
I think thats all I did, no real secret here. I organized my Airline well and the rest came from it self. My Cash is now so high, because I cant invest it because my staff is always busy arranging new aircraft orders.
I wouldn't say there's no other strong airlines in this world. I'm growing incredibly fast despite next to no domestic demand. Playing out of JNB no less. You're in Chicago. Anyone with half a brain can succeed in Chicago :P I think you'll find that because you started with 737s they're quite cheap you were able to expand very quickly. I have a fleet of 30 aircraft with 7 more on order all 767s/777s.
Im sorry i meant there is no other strong Airline in Chicago...
Which is why you're dominating :P you're doing well though :)
Quote from: ReedME on March 23, 2013, 10:19:23 PM
I think it's actually really helpful to the newbies to actually be presented with some challenges and get a better insight into the full game worlds. By seeing the experienced players and their methods in play they can learn a thing or two. So that when they play a full game they're more prepared for the LHR shuffle or maybe they realise that 9/10 players go to the top 20 airports so the newbie begins to look elsewhere for a home creating a thoughtful newbie.
From a newbie...
LHR shuffle (or other insights) is not immediately apparent to a newbie who is concentrating on growing an airline. By the time one has had enough game time observations to have a correlation with one's own experience, do we "figure it out" - by then, perhaps too late. If one could clearly identify the "experienced" players from "beginners" we could perhaps distinguish the roots of success, but at the beginning, not recognizing anyone, it is impossible to discern the differentiating strategies that win.
It seems the prudent start would be to grab as many long haul routes as possible with an (perhaps any in Beginners World) aircraft with very large capacity. The profit is outsize and can fund the rest of your growth. Starting at anything less seems to put one behind (even though it could still be a sustainable airline). This leads to all kinds of implications down the road...speed of aircraft acquisition - used, positioning in production schedules - new, availability of bases to extend to, slots availability.
I shied away from the seemingly uber expensive vlarge aircraft initially, but when I pulled the trigger (after feeling I was generating enough cash to fund) I was shocked at the profitability they achieved relative to the price of the purchase/lease. I takes a ton of Q400s with their accompanying slots (which get more expensive later), and landing fees, etc to even come close to one route flying 300 or so pax. Similar effect for 737s or similar sized, just not as pronounced.
All the tutorials and guides for beginners one can find miss this fundamental fact. This alone probably explains 75% of the difference between the super valued airlines and the rest of us in BW.
I don't think one should ban experienced players from BW, nor should they be stopped from basing in large airports. Instead, if the idea is to experiment with new strategies, why not put a factor on all costs, prices, demand allocation, etc. to be reflective of a slightly more challenging world they would face elsewhere?
Not sure where it should end up, but it might be something like a factor of 10% (for example, might be too low in light of LHR shuffle)...a 10% premium on purchases/leases, 10% reduced allocation of the demand/ticket prices have effect of being 10% more expensive, 10% more on maintenance/marketing/staffing/etc.. Perhaps some of it scales based on route type, number of passengers flown (e.g. LHR=50% premium, VSHR=0%).
Hello to all,
First time poster here, I joined 3 games pretty much at the same time to learn many things; these being BW, DOM & MA and have only been playing since mid to end of July
BW is interesting as it teaches you many things, and compared to the bigger games is a bit gentler as it were, however the larger games are quite intense, but much more interesting regardless of the outcome. I feel I am reasonably success but still linger in the middle of the stats. But it is here I learn and compare myself to the other big players and try to understand what it is they do to get themselves there
My DoM game was interesting insofar as I found a large airport quite early in the game (Soviet) with no one in it and then promptly squandered my chances, this after previously going bankrupt in the US. On my second attempt in Russia, I am sure that I was targeted by not 1 but 2 much larger players and suffered badly, not because of them but because of the choices I made. Once again bankrupt. Now I could argue that I was targeted outside of the rules, but in reality this is not true, I did not have the experience to cover what was happening to me. Many lessons for me here
My MA game is altogether different, bottom feeding and slowly but surely nibbling away and taking share away from some of the very large players discussed in this topic. This makes it more changeling and every time I suffer, I learn, and I think this is what its all about. Not to take away others success, but to reflect on the mistakes I have made. The only thing it makes me is more determined.
Given this the BW is one where it is for me to learn, personally I do not feel that I do not have a chance due to bigger players "taking the prime spots", but more me for to learn how to eek out an existence, and then to build on it. I do not feel discouraged or limited owing to the fact that bigger players are far outweighing my own performance, more that I need to learn more how to do the same. I am sure that all of this has a "sweet spot" which time and experience will eventually reveal itself, provided I make the correct choices. I just need to learn them
This game is a reflection of life and a simulation of that, and so the human nature will always be more competitive, more ambitious and so it is reflected in these games. That's why I paid my money and joined, to learn and to have fun, which is exactly what I am doing,
Anyway, just my 2 cents worth and thanks for the great entertainment and enjoyment I receive by doing this
Stevie
I have played this game for less then 1 year and would like to throw something in...
Back then the old Beginner world when I first started, there are many "old" player will come in and dominate huge airport by either not play for half a year(legit) or somehow manage to sneak in an alt account(illegal but very hard to track), a complete new player with a new registered account unless teach by someone they know should not know what is the proper plane to run, doing 7 day schedule and many more way to run efficient airline. So by the sounds of it situation has been quite similiar back then and now.
I was paired up in a popular airport(NRT i recall) and against one of those experienced player, long story short I was beaten quite badly to the point I was about to bk until I joined an alliance and gain knowledge I will never know unless someone tell. And to be honest these are info that is quite hard to explain in a guide because you will need to experience the problem first. After fixing the airline I can go on autopilot and have 100+ widebody on lease without schedule and did not bankrupt, it shows how forgiving beginner world is.
Coming out of the beginner world and start up in DOTM I had a nice start, but I went belly up after going against another top tier player which in the end got top CV in that world. Once again I found out I am missing knowledge/experience that I will not pick up from Beginner world or if I never go against an experienced player. Some player may also be willing to teach you a thing or 2 after you bk... or even extend an invitation to their community.
At the same time I started in JA in yyz, i dominated the area but the lack of knowledge of fleet transition and lack of demand/fuel spike drive me to the ground without too much competition.
I restarted in mid DOTM in MCO and in the end did quite decent when the world end.
Beginner world provide a good starting ground for player who just finish their demo world. Still trying to understand how to get 7 day schedule, demand filling and fleet composition(stuff that you will find on a beginners guide), or to understand the characteristic of the airport(believe it or not there is NO cookie cutter on how to start an airline, each airport/time frame is different). And I think sami's change is working quite well. They are never meant to be competitive and aiming for the top as they mean nothing. I would also say by all means if you manage to start in a new beginners world go to one of the top airport and hopefully you see an experienced player there ripping you a new one. The earlier you learn why you fail, the more prepare you will be in the real world. Unless you plan to run this gimped beginner world for the rest of your career without achievement, alliance and have to restart every 2 months. Disallowing active member joining beginner world will not help the new player in long term.
Lets say you if beginner world restrict all the experienced player and you manage to got hold on LHR or ORD or other top airport and manage to run a decent airline. At most you will become good in Beginners world. You will be very unlikely to be able to join JA/DOTM/MT and expect to win at LHR or any top airport, you will more then likely be pushed out within the first 5 years if not faster... which result to exactly same if not worse outcome should you meet them in Beginner world.
So far the old world model you will need to start when the game world begin in order to compete for top spot. I don't know if that will still be the fact in future world as sami predicted. But I think it will hurt more if you dominate beginner world because you did not match up against someone who is experienced/good(remember beginner world setting is easy) and then thinking you can do the same in DOTM/JA/MT and then get raped by the first sign of trouble.
Also apply for a mentor, and bomb them with any questions. They signed up to hope there are new blood in AWS and to compete/join in later world. They will be able to spot what you may have gone wrong and tell you what not to do.
Quote from: Aoitsuki on September 03, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
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Back then the old Beginner world when I first started, there are many "old" player will come in and dominate huge airport by either not play for half a year(legit) or somehow manage to sneak in an alt account(illegal but very hard to track), a complete new player with a new registered account unless teach by someone they know should not know what is the proper plane to run, doing 7 day schedule and many more way to run efficient airline. So by the sounds of it situation has been quite similiar back then and now.
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So far the old world model you will need to start when the game world begin in order to compete for top spot. I don't know if that will still be the fact in future world as sami predicted. But I think it will hurt more if you dominate beginner world because you did not match up against someone who is experienced/good(remember beginner world setting is easy) and then thinking you can do the same in DOTM/JA/MT and then get raped by the first sign of trouble.
Also apply for a mentor, and bomb them with any questions. They signed up to hope there are new blood in AWS and to compete/join in later world. They will be able to spot what you may have gone wrong and tell you what not to do.
All very true! I have been with AWS for a few months now. I found an excellent mentor and now know about 7-day scheduling (necessary for efficient long haul, incl tech stops) and a slag of other things extremely helpful to know, but not covered by the manual.
I've spent a good bit of time researching the forums too, especially out of respect for the mentor's time, but also because nuances are to be found that are not necessarily captured in your communication with a mentor. Also, one can observe that even long time players sometimes disagree on some (sometimes significant) points in the game, since the algorithms behind the AWS are not published nor readily transparent in game play. New players can go far with the forum information alone. The downside to the forum information is that AWS is not standing still, as new features are added over time, rendering some information obsolete.
I agree that anyone who feels that their dominance in BW shows superior skill or gamesmanship is fooling themselves, but it does demonstrate that they can make a good go of it in the more challenging worlds. I had a top airline running in prior BW that finished with $300M+ CV. I hardly touched it after initial setup. I set it up for testing various items before I did them in JA. Not saying I'm good either...In JA, I have BK'd three times (so far), for comparison. :laugh:
IMHO, running a more modest airline in JA is more interesting than being top 10 in BW, plus it is less "pressure". I'd encourage noobs to not be afraid after a couple of goes at BW to jump into one of the other worlds. No shame in BKing, several rather large airlines have in JA.
That's because newbies go to BW and setup shop at LHR, ORD, ATL, etc. and they pwn. When they step into the regular worlds the experienced players setup shop there and end up eating their lunch. This is a strategy game and you've got to compete with strategy--something BW is lacking.
What about a testing scenario to allow people who want to test their new strategy but same conditions as the beginner server?
I have been trying to play for a while but have dropped out after a couple of weeks due to the higher players...
Just a thought.
BW is already open for everyone, also if you already played some other worlds for just that purpose.
As a beginner in BW I looked for a good base. LHR - High ground costs, landing charges etc. No place to start an airline, and the other Euro 5's seemed similar. So 4's. I found Nice because I like it, have flown there as v.world pilot and Real World Pax. Even before you get off the plane the service vehicles have no roofs. What a great way to advertise your weather. (Lots of rain roofs in the hanger of course I expect).
So LFMN was vacant. Big plus, and has access to small airports for small planes, Euro 5's for 737's to get me started.
The learning curve, finding which airport to serve. Well I've only dumped two routes as simply not worth it though this may be a game factor. Most slowly built up Pax Nos if I cut fares enough. Flying to max a/c range didn't work. Changing seat prices to keep %'s over 60 and below 95. Maybe just the Game Mech's again but even 30% load factor keep's a rented a/c flying until the pax demand builds.
I also got a spread of a/c. C208's for local work and to sus out regional links, ATR's to exploit the better ones and sus out the 5's, and 737's to start on the Continental 5's.
ATR42's were great for testing new routes, ATR72's for developing the better ones (as extra or replacement a/c), and the 737's after that.
A300/310 are my next experiment looking to increase range for Intercontinental Cash Cows but I've got 6 game-months before I can set up another Base. That reminds me, I have a home base until I'm attacked, I can pop into a 5 as a new Base and duck out again if it doesn't work for me.
I'd be interested in chatting 1 to 1 on these ideas with anyone experimenting with other methods.