Would you just be interested in starting a game from the 1930s, before jets?
Quote from: irro on June 11, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
Would you just be interested in starting a game from the 1930s, before jets?
There was a testing scenario for this about 2 yrs ago, but IIRC it started 1945 and ended in 1955 or so...
the time from '40-'45 is troublesome though, as all of Europe was at war, thus no air traffic was going on, and after that nearly no-one actually travelled, as people didn't have money for it... I know the travel-boom happened in Germany in mid fifties, not sure about the other countries...
cheers,
Jona L.
I agree with Jona, the WWII years would be the issue for such a game, which is a shame because the 30's would be a fun scenario, just not long enough though.
But imagine fleets of airships and flying boats..... :)
I was in that test.
Big snorefest. So few true planes existed, they're so slow and wouldn't legally be allowed to fly at night. Many reasons JA is where to start.
Plus, how in the name of GOD do you do 6 link flights like what Pan Am did from SF to HK
Pan Am was a "survivor" so show some "r-e-s-p-e-c-t". They really knew how to "pick you up before they go go "
Quote from: irro on June 14, 2012, 10:42:22 PM
Pan Am was a "survivor" so show some "r-e-s-p-e-c-t". They really knew how to "pick you up before they go go "
The closest I ever got on flying on Pan Am was Avensa on a few occasions including landing in the jungle..never been so scared on a plane in my life... Insert sad face. The Pan Am documentary is quite fascinating..I wish there still was some mysticism about air travel. Insert extra sad face.
I remember on Lao Airways a few years ago to judge weight and balance the stuck a stick under the cargo hold and as the baggage weighed down the aircraft and the stick hit the ground they said it was full and didnt allow anything else on
more pressure in the struts please we need to take another bag! ya because thats how W/B works lol, OMG thats scary...
Quote from: irro on June 15, 2012, 04:28:07 AM
I remember on Lao Airways a few years ago to judge weight and balance the stuck a stick under the cargo hold and as the baggage weighed down the aircraft and the stick hit the ground they said it was full and didnt allow anything else on
Quote from: irro on June 14, 2012, 10:42:22 PM
Pan Am was a "survivor" so show some "r-e-s-p-e-c-t".
Emphasis on "was"? :D
I'm 25 and actually had a Pan Am branded toy 747 growing up but I remember always wondering about it because I had a decent amount of flying experience as a kid and just didn't remember ever seeing them in action. I tried to know everything there was to know about planes and airlines back then in the days before wikipedia so it's kind of sad Pan Am was gone already. I was five when they closed down. :-\
Anyway, we can do a scenario in the 30s as along as everyone spends 1939-45 either in limbo or leasing out all your planes to one of the major militaries on the cheap. If you're lucky, you get some of them back and a precious few of those in airworthy condition. You'd also have to be prepared to lose any orders you place that don't get delivered before 1942 after all production lines convert to military only. It's probably a little too complicated to fairly simulate what would happen to all of our airlines after the war. If you based in a neutral country or one that didn't actually fight, you just might make out like a bandit.
Have fun programming that one.
Years prior 1950 are not supported by the system. It has been the design scope since beginning that pre-war era won't be modelled at all..
Ok sami.
There are some pan am railroad cars going around Colorado I used to see. Same logo as the old airline
Quote from: irro on June 15, 2012, 04:50:11 PM
Ok sami.
There are some pan am railroad cars going around Colorado I used to see. Same logo as the old airline
Check the shot in '2001: A Space Oddessy' of the Moon Clipper doing a waltz in space : its a Pan Am : guess even Kubrick assumed they would be a round a bit longer...
Quote from: Troxartas86 on June 15, 2012, 07:53:35 AM
Anyway, we can do a scenario in the 30s as along as everyone spends 1939-45 either in limbo or leasing out all your planes to one of the major militaries on the cheap. If you're lucky, you get some of them back and a precious few of those in airworthy condition. You'd also have to be prepared to lose any orders you place that don't get delivered before 1942 after all production lines convert to military only. It's probably a little too complicated to fairly simulate what would happen to all of our airlines after the war. If you based in a neutral country or one that didn't actually fight, you just might make out like a bandit.
Or, all demand between 1939 and 1945 could be adjusted to be only between military hubs (such as San Diego to Honolulu) etc. but in exchange demand between those cities would be very, very high, and you'd be running troop transports basically.
Quote from: brique on June 15, 2012, 05:10:51 PM
Check the shot in '2001: A Space Oddessy' of the Moon Clipper doing a waltz in space : its a Pan Am : guess even Kubrick assumed they would be a round a bit longer...
Also fun (although created after the BK):
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/File:Pan_Galactic_profile.jpg
Quote from: EsquireFlyer on June 15, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Or, all demand between 1939 and 1945 could be adjusted to be only between military hubs (such as San Diego to Honolulu) etc. but in exchange demand between those cities would be very, very high, and you'd be running troop transports basically.
be interesting how to model 'neutral' zone traffic : S.America was largely neutral until almost the end of WW2, and in Europe: Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Spain and Portugal all kept out of it.
I travelled a lot with PAN AM, because before german reunification they were the dominant airline in Berlin, besides BA.
Lufthansa was not allowed to fly to Berlin.I even did my first flight as a little kid on an PAN AM clipper to Hamburg.I was very proud of the needle to stick on my jacket.I flew them also shortly before their bankrupt on an A310 to New York. You could tell by the look of interior and stewardesses that they were on the way down the line.
Greetings
Christian
Quote from: exchlbg on June 15, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
You could tell by the look of interior and stewardesses that they were on the way down the line.
Just finished watching The Story of Pan Am (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5w62jHUovM)... ;D
Quote from: brique on June 15, 2012, 10:18:12 PM
Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Spain and Portugal all kept out of it.
Sweden was not really neutral... they supported Germany, and were under pretty big pressure by them. Spain was more or less an ally of Germany, being one of the 3 fascist nations in Europe, and having received a lot of 'help' by the Germans in their civil war...
The other three, despite having been more or less neutral, had no real civil air traffic, since there were neither any international demands, nor a way to be able to serve it safely. And populations back then couldn't afford any much air traveling, and since planes weren't really fast, trains were a better alternative.
cheers,
Jona L.
well, there was degree's of 'neutrality' : technically, Vichy France was 'neutral', having signed a peace treaty, but it was hardly independent. But Sami is right to avoid the era, trying to model all that would be a total brain-clench.
But... *evil grin*... we could plant the idea of a 'what-if' scenario... as in no war as such, just a steady growth in traffic up to say... 1955... with planes like the Dakota's/ Junkers/Wellingtons launching as civilian types...
we can dream, cos I WANT a fleet of Empire-class FB's.... *drools
with those reliability of those engines think of all the crashes you all would have....
you'd be replacing planes every month :)
Quote from: Airbus101 on June 16, 2012, 03:54:22 AM
with those reliability of those engines think of all the crashes you all would have....
you'd be replacing planes every month :)
*adopts optimistic face and...
'majority of earth surface is water : I shall be using flying boats : flying boat better able to transition from air to water and float afterward.'
Seriously tho, was looking at a site which lists all the Empire FB's built and their careers : surprising number made it through to late 40's when they got broken up : not bad considering they were flying long-distance sea journeys using compass and dead-reckoning: no radar, no sat-nav and no radio beacons to help either. Throw in 6 years of war-time flying and the wonder is that any of them survived at all.
That's another thing that would probably be hell on the existing system, a two week trans-Pacific flight with a dozen tech stops.
... or zeppelins...
Why not start 1650 and introduce sailing ships?
Quote from: exchlbg on June 17, 2012, 09:27:41 AM
Why not start 1650 and introduce sailing ships?
Dont be silly, we would keep losing them when they fell of the edge of the world....