Hello
As per this posting by sami (https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,26356.msg212584.html#msg212584), the Manual has received a new page (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Manual/Routes/Freedoms/) about the freedom of the skies agreements.
As per this page, it seems like ABCBA routes will be introduced again at least within the EU after 1997. Is that correct so far? If so, it will mayorly change my plannings for future games, as this is would be a huge difference to the current system. Also, would these not be applying to the US as well? Considering, that it actually is ONE country instead of a bunch of them, and about 5x the size...
Thanks for clarification, Sami!
cheers,
Jona L.
As discussed elsewhere already, 3 leg routes will be back at some point (in new route opening tool the whole system is actually already fully made and activated by a flick of a setting..).
It will be so that routes will be A-B-C-A, with pax being carried from A-B, A-C, B-A and C-A, but not B-C at least according to current plans (like it was before, each leg was individual). Intention to model mainly the operations to some low density destinations where these three-hoppers are common (but can be used otherwise too). For other kind of operations we then have the bases..
Domestic routes are allowed with such method only (intra-EU is counted as such too).
..this at least according to present plan. But have not given thought on the activation of this yet, and the demand distribution system does not allow the "connections" (which this essentially is) yet
Alright I'm confused, can you put it in an airport fashion, like Heathrow to manchester, manchester to brussels. (carrying passengers or picking them up) just a tad confused.
Quote from: Pilot Oatmeal on April 25, 2012, 08:44:53 PM
Alright I'm confused, can you put it in an airport fashion, like Heathrow to manchester, manchester to brussels. (carrying passengers or picking them up) just a tad confused.
Your aircraft fly LHR- MAN- BRU, your passengers fly either LHR- MAN or LHR- BRU ;) (but not MAN- BRU)
Though have to be noted that the B-C sales can be added too, technically not a problem, just adds one more route to calculate.
But I am not familiar on how widely such is used in real life, between major airports not being your base, and in that way I'd like to avoid it a bit to avoid going back to the old system (ie. to fly LHR-CDG-BCN-LHR, while being based only in LHR)...
In larger countries (well, at least the US...shouldn't assume, say, Canada, Mexico, and Brazil are the same way) an airline can carry passengers, though and local on each leg, from BOS-LGA-BWI-TPA, for example. Passengers can be ticketed from BOS-LGA, BOS-BWI, BOS-TPA, and every combination inbetween. Would something like this, in countries where it is allowed, be possible with the second "tech stop" added? I guess it would make the routing ABCDCBA....
Don
Airlines CAN do for example 10 stops and ticket each leg if they wish (domestically, or outside if allowed by the freedoms). But that was not the point - I asked if that is really something that happens in USA for example, if we are talking traffic between larger cities. (probably not?)
Thanks for clearing me up, Sami!
Sounds awsome to me :)
Quote from: sami on April 25, 2012, 10:26:46 PM
Airlines CAN do for example 10 stops and ticket each leg if they wish (domestically, or outside if allowed by the freedoms). But that was not the point - I asked if that is really something that happens in USA for example, if we are talking traffic between larger cities. (probably not?)
It depends on the era you're talking about and the airline/business model. During the regulated years, it was common to have your only option to fly RDU-ATL as being an RDU-GSO-INT-CLT-GSP-ATL routing, with each individual segment ticketed and passengers getting on and off much like bus service. This changed in the early 1980's for most airlines with deregulation and the math behind the S-curve economics of fortress hubs for the so-called legacy carriers. They focused on building connecting routes at a hub as their method of expansion.
The only airline that still uses multi-stop travel on a regular basis is Southwest. They focus more on p2p type traffic and de-emphasize connections, but it is also possible to take 2-3 stops on a ticket to get across the country between larger cities with passengers coming and going at each stop.
Quote from: schro on April 26, 2012, 03:21:51 AM
It depends on the era you're talking about and the airline/business model. During the regulated years, it was common to have your only option to fly RDU-ATL as being an RDU-GSO-INT-CLT-GSP-ATL routing, with each individual segment ticketed and passengers getting on and off much like bus service. This changed in the early 1980's for most airlines with deregulation and the math behind the S-curve economics of fortress hubs for the so-called legacy carriers. They focused on building connecting routes at a hub as their method of expansion.
The only airline that still uses multi-stop travel on a regular basis is Southwest. They focus more on p2p type traffic and de-emphasize connections, but it is also possible to take 2-3 stops on a ticket to get across the country between larger cities with passengers coming and going at each stop.
The most stops WN offers for sale now is 2 with a max of 1 connection, however there is currently an increasing number of multi stop flights that may take a weird routing (MHT-BWI-CLE-MDW-BNA-RDU-JAX-FLL-MSY, same flight number) where a customer can book any of the non stop, 1 stop, or 2 stop segments but nothing past two stops. While most of the legacy carriers in the US offer just non stop or on stop/one connection service, it seems that a larger number of 2 stop/2 connection service is creeping in. Maybe offer the ability to schedule and offer for sale flights on the full A-B-C-D-C-B-A in countries where it is still at least somewhat common?
Don
I know Air Austral Flies CDG-RUN-SYD-NOU, being based at RUN. At all stops pax are picked up/dropped.
Regards,
NC