i was making profit consistently, but all of a sudden loosing money consistently. havenot made real changes to what was working.
what is going on?
Lease payments kicked in?
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 18, 2012, 03:32:18 AM
Lease payments kicked in?
Nope, constantly around the 50M (as of the IS-table).
Only thing I can see is, that you had some more spendings in Maintenance (additional C-/D-checks may be the cause) and that your profit broke in by about 24M.
The break in may have multiple causes:
a) The C-/D-checks have reduced the number of flights (thus passengers) for some time
b) additional competition may have shown up
c) You changed your pricing too heavily (either down and make too few cash to pay the costs, or up and no one likes flying your airline)
d) Your flight delays and cancellations have gone up massively which reduced your CI (company image) which means less PAX are willing to fly your airline.
e) You fired staff which has the same result as "d)". This may be caused by only few staff members as well as due to a large number you may have fired. e.g. firing 30 "small aircraft pilots" which became obsolete in the current JetAge (about 8-9% of all my staff) costed me 5 CI points.
f) any of the above combined, in worst case all of them.
Hope I could help!!
cheers,
Jona L.
the maintenance has been pretty regular and constant.
the pricing i reset to default prices. i try not to do much with the prices.
the only competition is at primary base. however, we arenot competiting on 60%-70% of our routes. only domestic routes are competition.
i am thinking it is the timing of 'c-checks'. i try to stagger them amongst the fleet, with occasional overlap. i try not to keep aircraft around to do 'd-checks'.
i will keep an eye on it to the end of the game world. i just think it is odd that a pretty constant profit turned sour all of a sudden.
got to add then:
g) fuel cost may have become an issue, though it looks pretty constant in your IS as well
h) What I can see well, is that your income went down, maybe you should go and check at the "routes" page, how your LFs developed. I'd guess they went down, which can also be due to cheaper prices of the competition (which you cannot see though)
i) You took a CI hit, for many different reasons this can happen, such as: see: d) and e); or some of your aircraft were grounded for some reason (too low condition, unperformed A-/B-/C-/D-checks) Check that on the "Office" --> "Company Image" page.
also I'd suggest re-reading and checking: d) and e)
good luck :)
Please ignore this if you want. I am completely new to this (still fighting the demo) but I thought it was good practice for me to try to work out what's what in this.
From looking at that income statement I see;
a) Revenues Down
b) Fuel costs down
c) Passenger fees down
d) Navigation Fees down
e) Landing fees down
f) Maintenance up.
I guess a) could be a number of things route/flight/company/industry/world specific - including less take offs and landings.
b) Fuel price down, more efficient fleet or less t/o and lndgs
c) less t/o and lndngs
d) ditto
e) ditto
f) different aircraft or more maintenance.
Wouldn't the most likely cause for all of these at once is more a/c out of service due to C and D checks?
Or am I missing something that could be the cause and need to go back to the manual?
Quote from: ellandrd on March 20, 2012, 12:19:18 PM
Please ignore this if you want. I am completely new to this (still fighting the demo) but I thought it was good practice for me to try to work out what's what in this.
From looking at that income statement I see;
a) Revenues Down
b) Fuel costs down
c) Passenger fees down
d) Navigation Fees down
e) Landing fees down
f) Maintenance up.
I guess a) could be a number of things route/flight/company/industry/world specific - including less take offs and landings.
b) Fuel price down, more efficient fleet or less t/o and lndgs
c) less t/o and lndngs
d) ditto
e) ditto
f) different aircraft or more maintenance.
Wouldn't the most likely cause for all of these at once is more a/c out of service due to C and D checks?
Or am I missing something that could be the cause and need to go back to the manual?
Basically this is right, but would still not explain such heavy break ins.
What I could see from the prior weeks in the IS is, that even in the weeks before he was making losses, just not as harshly as now...
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Or am I missing something that could be the cause and need to go back to the manual?
I suggest rather to read the guides (to be found in the general forums) than the manual, as the guides (and the FAQ) are more based on in-game experience than the manual being more theoretically orientated. These provide great tips for startups and running an airline. Just in case you are still looking for those ;)
cheers,
Jona L.
I am spending far too much in these forums sponging info already! ::)
Quote from: ellandrd on March 20, 2012, 01:50:29 PM
I am spending far too much in these forums sponging info already! ::)
Well, apart from a 4 month break I took lately for school exams, etc. I spent and now again spend 10-14hrs only each day (including mornings in schools)... unless you are that high, you don't have a reason to worry ;)
Jona I think you might need to go to an AWS detox center.
Quote from: psw231 on March 20, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
Jona I think you might need to go to an AWS detox center.
LOL he did it was called a 12 day ban :-[ didn't dim his enthusiasm :laugh:
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 20, 2012, 11:09:47 PM
LOL he did it was called a 12 day ban :-[ didn't dim his enthusiasm :laugh:
I even took a 4mth break... I somehow survived... but still AWS is my main daily action
it is worse though, if someone else (aka Sami) decides that you have a break, because if you can, you don't need, but if you can't you NEED ;D ;D
i think i figure out what was going on.
the c-checks were being done on alot of aircraft at a time. since i was getting more aircraft, the c-checks were being done on multiple aircraft (5+) at same time.
and it happened that some of the c-checks were on very high profit making routes.
After doing very well, I also started losing a ton of money.
I've noticed that fuel prices have gone way up compared to earlier in the game, but there's not much we can do about that.
You might want to check your salaries. If you have them set to automatic, they will go much higher than the recommended levels. I adjusted my staff salaries down to recommended levels and that was a big help. The staff didn't like it, but it beats bankruptcy.
You should also check your fares. I went through mine route by route and found that I was charging less than the recommended amount on all of them. Over time, the recommended amounts will go up, but unless you check on that every so often you'll miss out on some easy money.
My next step will probably be to drop routes that have too much competition and move those planes to routes that have unmet demand.
It's frustrating that I'm having these problems so close to the end of the game and I won't have a lot of time to fix things, but it is an interesting challenge.
decided to pull plug on operations. went thru all aspects i could but couldnot see why the sudden loss of money. even the maintenance checks were 'normal'. i didnot see any checks that were 5+ of widebody maintenance at same time. all fees and payrolls were consistent. even the passenger loads were consistent (85%+ in all classes). all fares were set to normal.
the only thing that increased were lease rates. however, i donot think i was leasing to lose 15m or 20m consistently. went thru every thing possible and checked income statements over and over against various things.
so i couldnot figure out what was causing the large losses after a week or so of searching. i just figured it was better off pull plug on operations. didnot seem interesting any more if there has been no determination of losses.