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General forums => General forum => Topic started by: Fegelein on February 26, 2012, 05:32:44 PM

Title: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: Fegelein on February 26, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
This is a subject that I am altogether unclear on. I have seen many people talk a great deal about flight frequency, CI, and RI being the most important factors in your operation being a success.

Here is the route planning screen for my most profitable route, PVD - ORF:
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F25poj1w.jpg&hash=522c4947669a0266f4f09317636f0c572463666b)

I have two flights a day in a DH8 with the following results:
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F2lk437p.jpg&hash=aea652e3005c3e7e5ffe97d763e35f3c9d14f1f6)

So is this frequency enough? The capacity bar is just about right at the demand bar and I'm getting 60-70% LF on the routes, so is that market tapped out? How does frequency actually work? I'm quite confused on this point. Because you also end up with flights like PVD - BWI that I feel like I can't compete on because there's demand for like 700 odd pax a day and capacity for like 1200 pax a day on the route.
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: alexgv1 on February 26, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
The frequency doesn't matter on this route because you have no competiton. However, with 2 daily flights, you may have an advantage if somebody flies against you with one flight (however other factors like RI and CI come into play as well).
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: schro on February 26, 2012, 05:39:57 PM
When you're first starting out, you usually don't see full loads on flights until they've been flying about 6 months (aka 100RI). Having a higher CI will help get the loads up faster as well.
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: TPMP on September 11, 2012, 10:56:48 AM
Just to be clear, is it more beneficial to have 2 or 3 daily flights to a destination rather then 1 daily flight offering the same amount of seats?
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: Sami on September 11, 2012, 12:47:55 PM
The systems looks for weekly frequency first, but if your demand is let's say 200/daily, it is _generally_ better to have two flights per day instead of one. Up to certain point.
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: TPMP on September 11, 2012, 02:14:12 PM
Thanks Sami.
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: exchlbg on September 11, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
Up to acertain point it is also worth to oversupply a route, it depends on the freqency/conditions other players offer. Roughly you should get your share of demand/per flight, even more, if your overall conditions are better (CI,RI,price etc.).
You should not aim to fill your flight 100%, that way your price is too low, and you can´t see, if some more people are willing to fly with you, if you adjust anything.
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: TPMP on September 12, 2012, 09:02:59 AM
Quote from: exchlbg on September 11, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
Up to acertain point it is also worth to oversupply a route, it depends on the freqency/conditions other players offer. Roughly you should get your share of demand/per flight, even more, if your overall conditions are better (CI,RI,price etc.).
You should not aim to fill your flight 100%, that way your price is too low, and you can´t see, if some more people are willing to fly with you, if you adjust anything.

Surely it makes more financial sense to have 1 full plane instead of 2 half full planes??
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: Talentz on September 12, 2012, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: TPMP on September 12, 2012, 09:02:59 AM
Surely it makes more financial sense to have 1 full plane instead of 2 half full planes??

True, you have to weigh the cost of 2 aircraft (increased overhead) vs 1. It depends on the demand of the route and if that route can support the added aircraft.



Talentz


Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: exchlbg on September 12, 2012, 10:58:48 AM
I was not talking about half full. LF of about 80-90% are perfect for balancing and make room for those additional passengers to show up.
Besides, many airlines are profitable with LF% around 60, especially with low fuel prices.
And if routes are underserved by just one big aircraft, you invite other players to put maybe 2 smaller ones on it (if route profiles allow).
Exception: under new formula it´s ok to underserve routes with low CI/RI, because you can´t get all possible passengers.
Title: Re: Frequency vs. Demand
Post by: LemonButt on September 12, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
The way I view frequency on routes without competition is the threat of competition.  If you have a 100nm route with 200pax demand you can either fly 1x daily with a 200 seater or 4x daily with a 50 seater.

If there is no chance of new competition entering the route then fly the 200 seater.  If the threat is big then fly 4x daily.  This means for a competitor to profitably compete they need to also fly 4x daily and will get 50% load factors doing it.  The opportunity cost is other more profitable routes where they can get better load factors with less competition.  As a result you won't find new competitors entering routes where you have the frequency stacked because the costs are too high to compete with you.