Hi Guys,
I'm not sure if this kind of thread has been made or not. I had difficult time to find one. In the more-than-2 years of AirwaySim existence (at least that is how long I have been here), I think it is nice to know our compatriots. It is possible to gather in each country or just having a chit chat over this interesting simulation with your compatriots. I will help you listing/making a database of members with their country. Hopefully this will trigger our mod to have at least a flag beside the poster's name in the forum board. :-)
Let me start, I am from Indonesia
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia (Plurinational State of)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Leandromstt
Brunei Darussalam
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
ICEcold
psw231
Will
zorrin
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo
Costa Rica
Côte d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
Kaskoblue
Meicci
France
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Phetoy6
Iran (Islamic Republic of)
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
dhtdkcug
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Lao People's Democratic Republic
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia (Federated States of)
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
Maarten Otto
TK1244
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Republic of Korea
Republic of Moldova
Romania
Russian Federation
EGSC
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syrian Arab Republic
Tajikistan
Thailand
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
alexgv1
DaveP1991
NorgeFly
Walker
United Republic of Tanzania
United States of America
AUpilot77
jetwestinc
lunchbox
norcarolinian
Riddle Me This
RushmoreAir
sansa93
Troxartas86
wapp11
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)
Viet Nam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Here's some general level stats: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,28248.0.html
(not very comprehensive though .. we run Google Analytics too but that includes all visitors then, not just the active users)
Thank you Sami,
But I actually wonder if there is a way I could find, let's say other Indonesian friends, with whom I can discuss more (comfortably) in our language about the game, exchanging views, and of course: promoting this great game to our society! ;-)
Boring old USA for me, frequently flying between TPA and ACY.
UK here, good idea will help people find compatriots 8)
USA! The great state of Michigan.
Canada here, you could do what I have done and add fellow countrymen to your buddy list as you find them, I have compiled a list with 66 Canadian AWS'ers and have used this to form an all Canadian alliance in JA5. It is time consuming to do but if you check airlines bases in Indonesia in each game you play. I would guess that you will find a good number of those in the AWS community, also check new members line at the bottom of the forum page as I have found quite a few that way.
Good luck!
psw231
UK right here. :)
Quote from: AUpilot77 on December 06, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
USA! The great state of Michigan.
USA as well, Ohio and a Buckeyes fan. Glad to see you guys finally beat OSU this year :laugh:
Quote from: jetwestinc on December 06, 2011, 11:07:17 PM
USA as well, Ohio and a Buckeyes fan. Glad to see you guys finally beat OSU this year :laugh:
Quote from: AUpilot77 on December 06, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
USA! The great state of Michigan.
USA (South Dakota), but a Wolverines person through and through ;D
Quote from: psw231 on December 06, 2011, 10:44:41 PM
Canada here, you could do what I have done and add fellow countrymen to your buddy list as you find them, I have compiled a list with 66 Canadian AWS'ers and have used this to form an all Canadian alliance in JA5. It is time consuming to do but if you check airlines bases in Indonesia in each game you play. I would guess that you will find a good number of those in the AWS community, also check new members line at the bottom of the forum page as I have found quite a few that way.
Good luck!
psw231
Thanks! It is an idea, but I would like to stick with one way to report your nationality for now. Let see how much attention this thread could gather attention. If thinks go not really well, perhaps next week, I would find another way, e.g. bugging you through PM asking the data you have! :D
Quote from: AUpilot77 on December 06, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
USA! The great state of Michigan.
Where we know the state like the back of our hand!
I'm from the U.S. as well, Michigan to be more specific.
Canada, Alberta
First one from Scandinavia; Finland :)
Quote from: sansa93 on December 07, 2011, 05:17:11 AM
Where we know the state like the back of our hand!
I'm from the U.S. as well, Michigan to be more specific.
heheh good one...
North Carolina, USA here 8)
Greetings from Under the Sea... ;D
It's pretty obvious when you get a first glimpse of the Netherlands, that the country is flat. Very flat... :-) In fact, you can often see for miles around. And what's more, a quarter of the land is below sea level.
Fancy a quick tour?
How do you protect Amsterdam from a sea? Well... you build a 35 kilometre dam....
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoevolution.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2Fafsluitdijk-cruising-over-water-11817_6.jpg&hash=3e5d150f32c65e49c40107b8d12930cbcefc82d6)
Just a few miles south we enter the Anna Paulona polder...
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloemendagen.nl%2Fassets%2F37tulpenveld_%25283%2529.JPG&hash=36ef17b896b12be88f271920ac6b4cbaf4d3e32b)
Ah... yes... the Zaanse Schans... Threatened with demolition 35 houses were bought and relocated to a museum. Resulting in this lovely scene...
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.take-a-trip.eu%2Fpics_bezienswaardigheden_nl%2Fw500%2Fzaanse-schans-3.jpg&hash=af703098c858de1d456c2586050c836b9b5dc714)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.take-a-trip.eu%2Fpics_bezienswaardigheden_nl%2Fw500%2Fzaanse-schans-1.jpg&hash=f676054e23c5ee7e1581fba36577de9b2cba18db)
And since last year Zaandam, a city just north of Amsterdam got a bigger one which house a hotel and some offices.
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fteed.nl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fdzn_Zaandam-hotel-by-Wilfried-van-Winden-8.jpeg&hash=d76f8f34d5f3b0b84385c83c6f7cdbf76600c9c3)
Well, lets take a train from here cause driving your car in Amsterdam is horrible...
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zaanstreek.nl%2Fassets%2Fstructured-files%2Fbeeldrob%2Fstation%2520zaandam%25202.jpg&hash=c74a22aa81384a2ffbe42064140f14f54e5c2ad0)
Well, that was only a 12 minute trip to Amsterdam City centre.
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vacationreview.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F08%2Famsterdam-holland.jpg&hash=cb75a34c0476ad6a6b26054a5a14430e60282ed8)
Whoops, wrong neighbourhood.... ;D
Just a nice nightshot of the "Magere Brug"
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frens.marskamp.nl%2Ffotos%2Fimages%2FPhotogallery%2Fnachtopnames%3Dmenu%2Fnachtopnames%2Fscaled800%2FMagereBrugAmsterdam1.jpg&hash=4e24f81958aaa6290ae25354cf57b594a994dd23)
Did you know that Amsterdam is one of the "Greenest" city's in the world?
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scienceparkamsterdam.nl%2Fuploads%2Fpics%2Famsterdam_gracht_01.jpg&hash=f984d69e22370cb5722c7784bcecd431ff0c541b)
Over 30.000 of them parked here, and still there is not enough space... I present to you the "Bicycle flat"
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdeweersverwachting.nl%2Fimg%2Fplaatsen%2Ffoto%2Famsterdam%2FAmsterdam_fietsflat.jpg&hash=7d255b39385fc06f3a7cc327ae13849137496580)
Well, we can't forget one of our economic engines can we? For many this is where they get their first contact with the Dutch. NOTAM: Runway is way below sea level so don't be tricked by your altimeter.
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerophoto-schiphol.nl%2Fimage%2Fschiphol.JPG&hash=3970a8e4987ef346874f734d8d13ec8e22f99fd0)
Okay, were now just south of Amsterdam and we want to go to Rotterdam. By car it takes over an hour, no direct buses and by train we have to go via The Hague...
Let's fly with FYRA
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.open.ou.nl%2Fhon%2FFyra%25202%2520april%25205.jpg&hash=6bbe1ba0286281a5186d9923a9fca6c1b6941092)
Ow... not fast enough.... okay, from December 2012 we do it at twice the speed...
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.open.ou.nl%2Fhon%2FFyra23juli3.jpg&hash=f701b7591dc341df3bc537d11ef04a1bc06ca919)
Right... Rotterdam. Well... As I'm from Amsterdam myself I do not like this city. But it has it's history. Holland fought brave... but "He who must not be named" forces the Dutch to surrender by destroying the city completely...
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBestand%3ARotterdam.jpg&hash=b797026e45f0ba9f3b0f953302897e7b1816a1e2)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F6%2F69%2FRotterdamMaasNederland.jpg%2F800px-RotterdamMaasNederland.jpg&hash=e0e71ab83dcc6a6ec245216973d07d6754a1f68e)
Just west of Rotterdam you'll find the Maesland kering. This massive movable dam will protect Rotterdam and the land behind it from flooding during extreme weather conditions in combination with surge tide.
(https://beeldbank.rws.nl/RuimtevoordeRivier/Home/DisplayDetail?mediaObjectId=406305)
It has been closed for shipping traffic only once (during a test) and has remained open since. The Dutch hope they will never have to use this kit to keep the water out. We build to protect, not to use it.
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freezingtime.com%2Fpicture%2Fmaaslandkering-1-2.jpg%3FpictureId%3D8046502%26amp%3BasGalleryImage%3Dtrue&hash=caa4926ba5f7937dc2a694b84542a037406398c3)
There were two events last century that made the Dutch realise that we are just a small country. The first was the second world war, with the second disaster just less then ten years later... When weather turned to the worst....
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffast.mediamatic.nl%2Ff%2Ftqgr%2Fimage%2F278%2F242708-620-443.jpg&hash=8e559404bbfb0ef7a163015cc1c0de86570dc075)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffast.mediamatic.nl%2Ff%2Ftqgr%2Fimage%2F450%2F242715-620-453.jpg&hash=357e08850bdcf9f0534acbf06b228a706062929f)
QuoteThe Delta Works is a series of construction projects in the southwest of the Netherlands to protect a large area of land around the Rhine-Meuse-Scheldt delta from the sea. The works consist of dams, sluices, locks, dikes, levees, and storm surge barriers. The aim of the dams, sluices, and storm surge barriers was to shorten the Dutch coastline, thus reducing the number of dikes that had to be raised.
Along with the Zuiderzee Works the Delta Works have been declared one of the Seven Wonders of the Modern World by the American Society of Civil Engineers.
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtpi.org.uk%2Fdownload%2F7610%2FOosterscheldedam.JPG&hash=2eaee2e886260817d0d770796bae6c927a0fc8ec)
Well, that was a short impression of the country I live in.
Greetings from Almere (-6 meters)
Born in England, but currently living in Canada, although writing this post from Germany...
Hei Marteen!
Thank you, nice introduction and pictures! Turns out you live in Almere! I have a family living there as well! :D
I'm the first one here from the middle east so far!
Greetings to all from tiny israel!
From Netherlands and Turkey ;D
Quote from: Maarten Otto on December 07, 2011, 10:47:03 AM
Right... Rotterdam. Well... As I'm from Amsterdam myself I do not like this city. But it has it's history. Holland fought brave... but "He who must not be named" forces the Dutch to surrender by destroying the city completely...
For me it is the other way round; as I'm from Rotterdam, I don't like the city of Amsterdam (although I do study in our "capital city").
The Sint-Laurenskerk is the only remnant of the medieval city of Rotterdam...
Here in it current status:
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fc%2Fc4%2FRotterdam_laurenskerk.jpg%2F455px-Rotterdam_laurenskerk.jpg&hash=c3d307d8eb446d556e304c1b5fa4c741fde65581)
Here just after the bombing of Rotterdam:
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F1%2F19%2FRotterdam.jpg%2F793px-Rotterdam.jpg&hash=17c32563b529c239f2439bc73e36ccccbec70fcd)
Russia, now mainly in EGSC and EGGP :)
I'm a USA guy, from south of Houston, Texas to be more accurate 8)
one more from Finland
I'm from Manchester, UK
First from Brazil ;D
Great guys, keep them coming!
Now we are in the right subforum!? :D
Whera re the asians? ;)
Obama States of America >:( ... I mean United, I still hope... :-\ Indiana.
Toronto, Canada :D
Quote from: lunchbox on December 08, 2011, 02:41:47 AM
I'm a USA guy, from south of Houston, Texas to be more accurate 8)
I'm from the US as well and I'll be living in Houston come january. I'll be on an internship with Continental (United) Flight Operations for the semester. Currently living in Arizona, though originally from Southern California.
edited! ;-)
Quote from: Riddle Me This on December 11, 2011, 09:54:24 PM
I'm from the US as well and I'll be living in Houston come january. I'll be on an internship with Continental (United) Flight Operations for the semester. Currently living in Arizona, though originally from Southern California.
Cool 8)
first one from Romania :)
Szczecin, Poland.
I seem to be the first from Portugal... ;D
Quote from: Leandromstt on December 08, 2011, 01:02:21 PM
First from Brazil ;D
I jut loved that livery, it's my region, ahahahaah! :)
Born in Florida, USA :) but now I live in Manchester, UK (EGCC) :)
Australia, but currently living and working in Papua New Guinea
Probably live here for the next 5 or so years and then move to :o not real sure yet but unlikely to go back to Aussie to live.
Will remain working in PNG (or Fiji if the company convince me to move) but be flying into work from somewhere else in the world... benefit of FIFO mining work ;D (15 days at work followed by 13 days off.....then repeat cycle)
Places I have looked at as potential places to live so far are -
1. Singapore
2. Spain
3. Malaysia
what are you mining?
First one from buenos aires, Argentina.
I live in manhattan now and for the past 10 years.
Ok, beaten by Nlgravity :)
Second from Argentina, but from Tierra del Fuego near RGA/SAWE.
Quote from: Riddle Me This on January 07, 2012, 07:13:09 AM
what are you mining?
The company is a gold miner, but they do mine copper at most of it's mines as the two are present together, but only gold where I am.
Not worth mining copper here as the gold is very high grade and has a low production cost.
PS - so I am told as I am not actually involved in any of the mining areas.
From RPLL...
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg190.imageshack.us%2Fimg190%2F3556%2F20111203155834.jpg&hash=0e78d45d93a76f238158ebad6c54878e6e708978) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/20111203155834.jpg/)
The picture should give a hint as to where I am from... That is if you recognize a thing in it... :P
Also... First Post! \o/
EFHK ;)
Yeah another Finn!
Turkish guy living in Holland because of master studies.
Quote from: caglar35 on January 25, 2012, 04:42:00 PM
Turkish guy living in Holland because of master studies.
Nice! Where in the Netherlands are you doing your master study?Saw your comment in the other topic :) Welcome in my home city Rotterdam ;D
Quote from: TK1244 on January 25, 2012, 07:24:11 PM
Nice! Where in the Netherlands are you doing your master study?
Saw your comment in the other topic :) Welcome in my home city Rotterdam ;D
Yeah rotterdam. As far as I see you are also Turkish.
From Indonesia...
Any other Indonesian playing this game?
United Kingdom here. Specifically Scotland in the empires second city (Glasgow). I am happier though when in the nose of a BA 747 or in San Francisco California.
Holland ;D
First from India it seems.
No one else seemingly (considering that it is not on the list) announced to be from GER...
There would be:
DenisG (north)
Curse (South)
THI (Perma-banned) (South)
Me (Jona L.) (West) [near Düsseldorf]
and there were some more nowadays less active players from GER too...
as of our school's network protocols about 100 people from my school at last visited the AWS-website...
At least mate ::)
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 06, 2012, 01:36:59 PM
At least mate ::)
I assume there are a couple of more people from GER playing it... JoeAcid69 e.g. whom I just helped (in German) to get his airline running :)
Sweden here!
ok, you are desperately seeking....
another German here from the geografical east.... BERLIN....
greetings
Christian
Quote from: exchlbg on March 15, 2012, 03:35:01 AM
ok, you are desperately seeking....
another German here from the geografical east.... BERLIN....
greetings
Christian
East or West Berlin? That is the sole important question on east or west! GDR can't count as Germany!!
Strange kind of question after 20 years of german unity.Ok, I´m a born and still living West-Berliner.But I dislike your attitude about stating wrong or right "Germanies". And what if I had been born in GDR? Would I have been forced to quit this game ?
Quote from: exchlbg on March 16, 2012, 02:07:09 AM
Strange kind of question after 20 years of german unity.Ok, I´m a born and still living West-Berliner.But I dislike your attitude about stating wrong or right "Germanies". And what if I had been born in GDR? Would I have been forced to quit this game ?
Did I say so?! I just said, that the GDR and the reunification were mistakes -and to complete the satement:- and remain the biggest mistakes in German post-war history. Luckily we live in a country with freedom of speech and thought, thus I am allowed to express these thoughts.
One can't be blamed for the country one is born in. But as a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany you know how much it costed us and is still cosing us to have the former GDR put into the west.
I come from Duisburg, one of the cities that suffer the most from the solidary payments. The City has to take loans of 20M€ each year, just to pay for the new roads and houses in the east, while here streets are rottening, bridges are limited to 10Km/h because they are too destroyed for faster traffic, houses getting rundown, public transport system being in desolate conditions using trams 30yrs and older, schools having no money for new books (the geography books we use were printed 2001, financial figures are still in DM), no money for IT to ease work, or even enough money to maintain the toilets.
Duisburg is in most parts (not fully, but most) a city against which Baghdad is a nice place with finely renovated houses. This city deserves more cash than Dresden, Leipzig or Erfurt with their shiningly new city centers and new Autobahns between them.
The whole east thingy was the biggest error in German history, WWI and II were nothing against the economic damage that we suffered from this 40yrs of command economy and soviet leadership made the east a barrel with no bottom that ruins the rest of the nation.
Sorry for sounding harsh, but that is the point of view of someone who knows the other side of the medal and who sees it every day.
cheers,
Jona L.
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 06, 2012, 01:36:59 PM
At least mate ::)
excellent inside joke
LOL
Im also from Sweden
for Jona :
nobody wants to limit your freedom of speech nor your freedom to state complete nonsense like "GDR is not Germany". As I remember we were asked to write where we come from, nowadays. May I remind you of the fact that I live in the capital of our country ?
OK, you think is was a mistake to incorporate the GDR into the old West. Fine.
But you look at the whole problem just through your window in Duisburg. And the problems of your city began long before reunification and wouldn´t have been solved without it. I still remember the big strikes and protests when your steel works were closed during the 80`s.Other cities in the west have managed better to cope with the downfall of the ancient heavy industries.And it´s the fault of the now reigning politics to let communities and cities suffer of funding.
If your age is 18 as you state, you haven´t lived at that time nor before it.I did.In Berlin.
The question of that time was not -"should we?".It was "when and how?" The GDR was bankrupt and was unable to survive on it´s own. And since everybody was free to move to the west he would have done so... consequences? Have you ever heard of the slogan of the East Germans:" Kommt die D-Mark nicht nach hier, zieh´n wir um und geh´n zu ihr?" (If Deutschmark isn´t coming here we will move to it?).
As you see, there are always two sides of the medal. And anyway it´s irrelevant if we judge things that happened in the past right or wrong, we can´t reverse them and should try to make the best out of it.
Sorry but your arguments fit right into the old scheme of "Besserwessis" and "Jammerossies",slightly transformed into the new type of "Jammerwessi", a thing of the past not suiting people your age.
In the first place I only wanted to write where I am living.....
Cheers
Christian
Quote from: exchlbg on March 16, 2012, 09:47:40 PM
....nobody wants to limit your freedom of speech nor your freedom to state complete nonsense like "GDR is not Germany"....
This reminds me of another inside joke which makes me laugh ::)
Quote from: exchlbg on March 16, 2012, 09:47:40 PM
for Jona :
nobody wants to limit your freedom of speech nor your freedom to state complete nonsense like "GDR is not Germany". As I remember we were asked to write where we come from, nowadays. May I remind you of the fact that I live in the capital of our country ?
OK, you think is was a mistake to incorporate the GDR into the old West. Fine.
But you look at the whole problem just through your window in Duisburg. And the problems of your city began long before reunification and wouldn´t have been solved without it. I still remember the big strikes and protests when your steel works were closed during the 80`s.Other cities in the west have managed better to cope with the downfall of the ancient heavy industries.And it´s the fault of the now reigning politics to let communities and cities suffer of funding.
If your age is 18 as you state, you haven´t lived at that time nor before it.I did.In Berlin.
The question of that time was not -"should we?".It was "when and how?" The GDR was bankrupt and was unable to survive on it´s own. And since everybody was free to move to the west he would have done so... consequences? Have you ever heard of the slogan of the East Germans:" Kommt die D-Mark nicht nach hier, zieh´n wir um und geh´n zu ihr?" (If Deutschmark isn´t coming here we will move to it?).
As you see, there are always two sides of the medal. And anyway it´s irrelevant if we judge things that happened in the past right or wrong, we can´t reverse them and should try to make the best out of it.
Sorry but your arguments fit right into the old scheme of "Besserwessis" and "Jammerossies",slightly transformed into the new type of "Jammerwessi", a thing of the past not suiting people your age.
In the first place I only wanted to write where I am living.....
Cheers
Christian
Didn't mean to change this topic, but it seems like we drive off to German politics.
Yes indeed I am 18, but I worked through the topic of German German relations pretty well through a couple of years of intense history lessons, holidays visting what our money built over there, and also reading (and viewing) through many kinds of sources.
Talking about the slogan of the East Germans: There was a wall to prevent them from doing so ;) - and for those who can't notice from reading: I am completely serious about this, as cynical as it may sound. And to complete: Rebuild that goddamn wall, but build it out of glass, so they can see how soon the west is wealthy again.
This is my favorite hate topic for real life, which you may have noticed. Coming slightly before Slot Hoggers and Frequency F*ckers, which are followed by German immigration policy of the 50ies-80ies.
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In the first place I only wanted to write where I am living.....
Sorry for getting too off topic!
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Quote from: alexgv1 on March 16, 2012, 09:59:56 PM
This reminds me of another inside joke which makes me laugh ::)
We both and a few others, know where this lead us last year. Will shut myself up now, don't want it to happen again, one has to learn from errors... ohh, what a coincident, this so much fits the topic... learning from errors ;D ;D
cheers,
and a good night!
Ladies and gentlemen, I present Jona L., Dean of the Department of Keyboard Warrior Studies and Misguided Projection.
You are clearly dealing with someone who knows more of what you are rambling on about here, given he was alive at the time. Save face, stop now, while you can.
"Rebuild that goddamn wall, but build it out of glass, so they can see how soon the west is wealthy again..."
.....tear everything down behind it and organize a constant Love Parade on the ruins, with only one tiny tunnel at Bhf. Friedrichstraße to visit it..... >:(
Quote from: DaveP1991 on March 16, 2012, 10:38:15 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, I present Jona L., Dean of the Department of Keyboard Warrior Studies and Misguided Projection.
You are clearly dealing with someone who knows more of what you are rambling on about here, given he was alive at the time. Save face, stop now, while you can.
Well, dave, being alive during an event does not necessarily mean you know more about it than someone who wasn't, especially considering there are only few topics on which you can get more information that German-German relations and the fall of the GDR (at least talking for German standards).
Quote from: exchlbg on March 16, 2012, 11:17:46 PM
"Rebuild that goddamn wall, but build it out of glass, so they can see how soon the west is wealthy again..."
.....tear everything down behind it and organize a constant Love Parade on the ruins, with only one tiny tunnel at Bhf. Friedrichstraße to visit it..... >:(
Well, I don't actually care, as I never supported the "Love Parade", neither in Duisburg nor anywhere else. It was a big mistake, and I didn't say that Mr. Sauerland, our town mayor, was a good politician. I didn't vote for him, that just asides.
There are just
slight differences between Duisburg and the GDR which makes it a
bit diffcult to compare.
a) Duisburg is a town under 500.000 inhabitants, while the GDR had over 5 million people living in it (a lot more even).
b) Duisburg has no command economy, nor is it run by a communist or socialist government.
c) We didn't ask for being integrated into FRoG, we were part of it right from the beginning, and had been pretty wealthy until the GDR came in.
d) We have had (and still have) solid industry, which you claim to have been brought down. Thyssen Krupp is the 7th largest producer for Steel and Steel products, only out of Duisburg. Duisburg also has "HKM" ("Hüttenwerke Krupp-Mannesmann") belonging to the Accelor Mittal steel-group which is also in the top-ten steel producers of the world with a couple of steelworks. Duisburg also still has the 2nd largest inland harbor of the world at which over 40 million metric tons of freight are handled each year. And thus have an industry that with no doubt could beat the industry of any (former) GDR town, and can measure up to a big portion of the whole GDR's GDP.
You surely must be the pride of your parents, little sunshine. What would we all be without that impressive body of doubtful acquired knowledge you are graciously willing to share with us ?
Thank you ever so much ! :-[
Quote from: exchlbg on March 17, 2012, 05:49:21 PM
You surely must be the pride of your parents, little sunshine. What would we all be without that impressive body of doubtful acquired knowledge you are graciously willing to share with us ?
Thank you ever so much ! :-[
Let me try the way we are used to here in Germany:
Problem altah? Will'su Stress? Kann isch geben.
"Problems old boy? wanna have stress? I can give." (roughly translated)
If you have a problem with a different opinion being based mainly on facts and sources than on personal feelings or experiences thus being a bit more cold blooded, as facts usually don't speak the softy way.
As for you calling me "little sunshine" I feel a bit uncomfortable, as I am fully straight, and don't like being turned on by men...
Kindergarten.
This is pathetic.stop. If there are grown man here act like them.
Germany the only country to profit from WW2 behind USA.
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 18, 2012, 03:27:38 AM
Germany the only country to profit from WW2 behind USA.
Was never the question, Alex ;)
Quote from: Jona L. on March 18, 2012, 04:56:35 AM
Was never the question, Alex ;)
No but that is my gripe, Germany now best economy of Europe. Should we open a German politics thread lol? :P
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 18, 2012, 02:06:08 PM
No but that is my gripe, Germany now best economy of Europe. Should we open a German politics thread lol? :P
Unless Greece bankrupts. Or Portugal. Or Spain. Or Italy. You get the picture. :P
Hehe very true. I like this economy discussion should make a thread.
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 18, 2012, 02:06:08 PM
No but that is my gripe, Germany now best economy of Europe. Should we open a German politics thread lol? :P
Well, indeed we are. And no, we shouldn't need that, would only end up in "6-page-jobs" (inside joke), Alex...
Quote from: Neotion on March 18, 2012, 07:27:17 PM
Unless Greece bankrupts. Or Portugal. Or Spain. Or Italy. You get the picture. :P
Well, if these countries hadn't screwed up their economies, we wouldn't need to pay for them (especially Greece), which would keep our economy strong. I know we profited a lot from the exports to those countries (most of the exports were financed by loans from GER), but yet they are all barrels with no bottom.
I have my own ideas on how to make fair solutions to this, but dozens of people would call me an a**hole for that, or even a fascist (neither are true), thus I will not publicate them unless asked for (which in turn means there cannot be a reason to complain about my answer).
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 18, 2012, 07:35:51 PM
Hehe very true. I like this economy discussion should make a thread.
go ahead, mate, I'd like to participate there (as a matter of concern for our South-European friends though, I fear)
cheers,
Jona L.
Yes I have some pretty radical solutions for the Greece problem as well but better not to post here.
Quote from: Jona L. on March 16, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Did I say so?! I just said, that the GDR and the reunification were mistakes -and to complete the satement:- and remain the biggest mistakes in German post-war history.
The mistake was how it was implemented. GDR was a poor relative, and if treated as such, all would have been fine.
There are countries in Eastern Europe that were on par with East Germany that are booming on their own, without any subsidies, guarantees etc. (Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia). They earned a better standard of living (compared to 40 years of communism) very gradually, but on their own... It could have happened (economically) the same way in GDR as well.
Quote from: Jona L. on March 16, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Luckily we live in a country with freedom of speech and thought, thus I am allowed to express these thoughts.
Don't get too comfortable. Speech and thought police in the West is still in its infancy, but within our lifetime, it will be worse than it was in the East during Communism...
Quote from: Jona L. on March 18, 2012, 10:59:20 PM
Well, if these countries hadn't screwed up their economies, we wouldn't need to pay for them (especially Greece), which would keep our economy strong. I know we profited a lot from the exports to those countries (most of the exports were financed by loans from GER), but yet they are all barrels with no bottom.
I have my own ideas on how to make fair solutions to this, but dozens of people would call me an a**hole for that, or even a fascist (neither are true), thus I will not publicate them unless asked for (which in turn means there cannot be a reason to complain about my answer).
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 18, 2012, 11:07:01 PM
Yes I have some pretty radical solutions for the Greece problem as well but better not to post here.
Thing is, the
only solution left now for the northern European countries is to press on with issuing loans.. Because at present, hundreds of billions of euros have already been invested in the southern economies. Leaving them to go bankrupt or kicking them out of the eurozone, for example, vaporizes most, if not all of this capital.
Basically, we're in too deep now to turn back, which in my opinion is very worrying: Greece is still nose deep into a big steamy pile of horse sh*t, Portugal is rapidly evolving into Greece's evil cousin, Italy continues to pile up debt that is even bigger than the value of
all goods and services they produce
combined, and Spain's unemployment is completely out of control.
We're on a ticking time bomb, ladies and gentlemen.
Quote from: Neotion on March 19, 2012, 01:41:48 AM
Thing is, the only solution left now for the northern European countries is to press on with issuing loans.. Because at present, hundreds of billions of euros have already been invested in the southern economies. Leaving them to go bankrupt or kicking them out of the eurozone, for example, vaporizes most, if not all of this capital.
Basically, we're in too deep now to turn back, which in my opinion is very worrying: Greece is still nose deep into a big steamy pile of horse sh*t, Portugal is rapidly evolving into Greece's evil cousin, Italy continues to pile up debt that is even bigger than the value of all goods and services they produce combined, and Spain's unemployment is completely out of control.
We're on a ticking time bomb, ladies and gentlemen.
As far as ticking time bomb, that's what it looks like.
As far as staying the course, another expression comes to mind: throwing good money after bad ...
Quote from: Neotion on March 19, 2012, 01:41:48 AM
Thing is, the only solution left now for the northern European countries is to press on with issuing loans.. Because at present, hundreds of billions of euros have already been invested in the southern economies. Leaving them to go bankrupt or kicking them out of the eurozone, for example, vaporizes most, if not all of this capital.
Well, why throw out more money to be vaporized as well?! I predict, that even the 10th rescue package of 100eds of billions (only the first three had a volume of over 200bn€) will not help Greece out of their debts. This is like towing the Titanic onto its rescue boats to slow down the sinking, but in the end if you don't cut off the tows you'll sink, too. So I tell you, that we should cut off NOW, in order not to let the worlds second largest economy (per capita) sink with them [for those who are unaware: I talk of Germany]. And we CANNOT also catch the fall of Portugal, Italy or Spain (short: the P.I.G.S.), if we don't want to end up on 3rd world level same as Angola or Cuba, or whatsoever state with no economy.
Quote from: Neotion on March 19, 2012, 01:41:48 AM
We're on a ticking time bomb, ladies and gentlemen.
Agreed, so we should work on defusing it, or run from the explosion. Same if a grenade is thrown towards you, you've got 1/10 of a second to decide: throw away, kick away of run away. I say: stop throwing it back in form of our TAX billions, and start running away from it (as the UK Army does from throw grenades same as UK government does from paying towards Greece), save our money and help rebuild the country after the crash.
This is like someone would have been trying to rebuild Dresden before it was bombed down 1945. A waste of cash, it will go lost anyways. So, let it crash and rebuild it with the help of that money. It is about time for Germany to return the favor of the ERP (Marshall-Plan), by founding a new ERP v2.0 that gives funds to the bankrupt states for rebuilding of economics and political systems (which could try not to corrupt 99% as the current state is).
To all friendliness there must be a border at which there is to be stopped, if the own life (or economics) is risked to be endangered.
cheers,
Jona L.
Quote from: Jona L. on March 18, 2012, 10:59:20 PM
I have my own ideas on how to make fair solutions to this, but dozens of people would call me an a**hole for that, or even a fascist (neither are true), thus I will not publicate them unless asked for (which in turn means there cannot be a reason to complain about my answer).
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 18, 2012, 11:07:01 PM
Yes I have some pretty radical solutions for the Greece problem as well but better not to post here.
Just sell the Greek islands to Turkey and viola you have solved two problems at once! ;)
Quote from: TK1244 on March 19, 2012, 09:24:02 PM
Just sell the Greek islands to Turkey and viola you have solved two problems at once! ;)
Not until tukcie is part of the EU (so not before 2500/2600) ( :P )
Also, could Turkey even afford to buy some Greek islands? I don't know how Turkish finances are, but I think mining the Turkish - Syrian border must be expensive, same as all the military being deployed down there (though that would be payed even if in "reserve"). But still the increase in security effort down there can't cost nada...
Turkey is a prospering country at the moment and has actually grown too big for the EU. Still having economic growth in these times. Yes they afford good military budget like any prosperous nation but most of the army are conscripts.
If some moderator is around maybe it would be the time to split this topic to separate the countrys with the discussion?
If no moderator is around..lets hit the barricades before Sami wakes up ;)
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 19, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
Turkey is a prospering country at the moment and has actually grown too big for the EU. Still having economic growth in these times. Yes they afford good military budget like any prosperous nation but most of the army are conscripts.
No Alex, the reason Turkey cant join is more likely cultural and religious and the political aspects of those issues. Its difficult enough to make the current members unite on simple core values.
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 19, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
Turkey is a prospering country at the moment and has actually grown too big for the EU. Still having economic growth in these times. Yes they afford good military budget like any prosperous nation but most of the army are conscripts.
"too big for EU" !? LOL!!! sorry, mate, but I think the country is just too sharia-friendly for the EU... and this is not only my opinion (though many will have a counter opinion as well). Anyhow, having economic growth is not that big of a problem... Germany is at 1.2-1.9% still (though we are used to 5-8%) but we have overcome recession already, and even France is slightly over the 0%, China is still at 5% and some others as well. But I must give you right, as it is not many that still make it to keep economics growing. Germany has (mainly due to post-war treaties) never actually spent a lot of money despite the common wealth and the strong economy. Anyhow, it is understandable that with neighbors such as Syria a country needs a big military budget.
And most armies are mostly consisting of conscripts. The German one used to be such and is now purely voluntarily organized. Israels army is 100% conscripts, as every person must serve 6 yrs (women 4 (I think)) in the army and after that can be conscripted any time Israel needs them.
Still I have a logic problem in this discussion... I went through that with lilius on Skype©:
Following the saying: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Greece and Turkey are enemies between each other. So one of them needs to be my friend... but who is? I am for the neither of them, but I cannot decide who to jump in for Turkey or Greece..... DAMN!! as said: Logic problem...
cheers
Quote from: lilius on March 19, 2012, 11:30:27 PM
No Alex, the reason Turkey cant join is more likely cultural and religious and the political aspects of those issues. Its difficult enough to make the current members unite on simple core values.
Well, I needed longer for my typing, but that basically is what my first line is supposed to mean...
Quote from: lilius on March 19, 2012, 11:23:21 PM
If no moderator is around..lets hit the barricades before Sami wakes up ;)
Hey, Alex... it is just one and a half pages away from a six page job (though the first weren't ours)... anything to do tonight yet? - Just kidding, gotta work on my maths project, can't spend my whole night here...
Turkey isn't really a Sharia Law country, I think you will see the UK becoming one before Turkey. It is secular it's a fundamental part of their constitution, although one which is being threatened. The difference with Turkey's growth was that it never felt the recession so much, so where you claim these countries recovered, Turkey never had to recover as it grew through this whole financial crisis.
As for joining the EU I don't think they are that fussed anymore, compared to five years ago when they were actively trying. Seems like EU wasn't such a great idea many people thinking. Of course it is still for better trade relations with EEC. Like I said before, which I'll rephrase: Europe needs Turkey more than Turkey needs Europe. When they were applying the reasons were mainly their currency (which is overhauled) and the problems with the Kurdish Worker's Party.
As for conscript armies, I would say Israel and Germany are a special exception. Germany because they have lost WWII and like Japan have more of a limited self defence force (although they are participating with ISAF in Afghanistan as part of NATO). And Israel because it hasn't existed for so long and its neighbours kind of all hate them. For example UK has a fully professional army and many Turks I've spoken to think Turkey should also downsize and have a professional army and scrap national service.
Sorry guys hadn't thought my comment would start up another off topic discussion.
As for Turkey being part of EU, as a "European" with Turkish born parents (don't know how to describe myself, here I'm a Turk, in Turkey I'm Dutch), I don't want to have Turkey being a EU member. I really would vote NO if there was a referendum about it, like most of the citizens of Turkey. Especially with the problems Europe is currently facing, why would they put themselves in chaos? Let Turkey start its own union with other Turkic language speaking countries, with some cooperation with the EU. "Turkey being too sharia-friendly for the EU" is the most bullsh*t reason I have heard so I won't go into this. I had used Alex's comment "Europe needs Turkey more than Turkey needs Europe" also, but a cooperation (not EU membership) could result in a win-win situation.
Buying up all the Greek island in the Aegean Sea would be impossible maybe, but with its economy growing day by day, it can afford to buy some for sure. But will it be a good investment? That's the other side of the story. The Turkish armed forces are already deployed in the south-eastern part of the country for years now due to the Kurdish rebels. Turkey never really had good relations with its neighbors except with Azerbaijan, all due to historic issues (at the times of the Ottoman Empire), Turkey always has invested a lot of money in its armed forces. Instead of looking for trouble with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" we are looking to peace at home by solving the problems with our neighbors. Although there need to be done so many things before this is achieved, we're benefiting from it already. Although there are still cat/dog fights above the Aegean sea between Turkish and Greek fighters, this isn't because of both countries see each other as enemies, it is because a dispute regarding who "owns" the airspace above the Aegean Sea. Hope this would be solved also very soon, instead of thinking which side to choose if they will fight.
Quote from: TK1244 on March 21, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
(don't know how to describe myself, here I'm a Turk, in Turkey I'm Dutch)
Feel your pain brother ;D although generally people have been very welcoming to their own
Quote from: TK1244 on March 21, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
Although there are still cat/dog fights above the Aegean sea between Turkish and Greek fighters
I thought they had gentlemen's agreement to stop those, too many crashes from both sides :laugh:
Loss of the Turkish Stars' pilot recently was sad :'(
Speaking of Turkey in EU, I think every country has to approve a new member. I have a feeling that Austria will exercise a veto here...
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 21, 2012, 12:49:25 AM
Feel your pain brother ;D although generally people have been very welcoming to their own
;D
Quote from: alexgv1 on March 21, 2012, 12:49:25 AM
I thought they had gentlemen's agreement to stop those, too many crashes from both sides :laugh:
Loss of the Turkish Stars' pilot recently was sad :'(
It should have stopped it, but every time a Turkish F-16 (after takeoff from Izmir or Bodrum) or if a Turkish Navy ship comes too close to a Greek island, the Greeks take off with fully loaded fighters. Their recent agreement should stop these because it costs Greece too much money, however we still see Greek and Turkish fighters "playing" with each other.
Yes the Turkish Stars crash was very sad, especially since the pilot didn't wanted to leave the plane and instead opted to save his plane :'(
Quote from: JumboShrimp on March 21, 2012, 01:32:06 AM
Speaking of Turkey in EU, I think every country has to approve a new member. I have a feeling that Austria will exercise a veto here...
Yep, that's correct and i'm happy that Austria is vetoing the membership of Turkey :)
I think he stayed with the plane to avoid populated areas also? Very noble sacrifice.
Quote from: Jona L. on March 19, 2012, 11:33:13 PMIsraels army is 100% conscripts, as every person must serve 6 yrs (women 4 (I think)) in the army and after that can be conscripted any time Israel needs them.
It's 3 years for male and and 2 for female conscripts last time I checked..might have changed. Personally, I'm a bit unsure about this whole thing. I'm Norwegian, we're meant to do 1 year..I did mine in 2 weeks. But I'll tell you this..you quickly spot the pseudo fanatics when you go in. I was not necessarily opposed, but some kids were being quite immature and making fun of the man..2 days later, these same people were running around shouting orders for everyone to get in line. Fascinating experience.
Anyway, back on topic. I'm going to be uber controversial. I'm pro EU letting in Turkey. Why not? They are in the Eurovision Song Contest together with Israel and Azerbaidjan..The latter being a petro nation. And for anyone who has ever watched the eurovision, appreciate the geopolitical impact of this ridiculous event. Even Lebanon was meant to be in it..Europes borders are vague at best. As much as I see the potential of EU, they seem to have their priorities misplaced..deciding postage cost rather than truly working towards a united, free and open Europe. But having said that, I still think there are a few questions Turkey refuses to answer..but in terms of regional powers, there are other countries in western Europe i.e France, who also refuse to answer/own up to past actions.
Personally, I think borders are lame (far from as lame as the schengen agreement though). I'm mostly saying this as I want to move somewhere warmer, but visa requirements are ridicolous at where I'm looking. Any tips from anyone on somewhere warm, relatively economically vibrant and work possibilities? :)
Quote from: z3rostr1fe on January 13, 2012, 01:46:10 AM
From RPLL...
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The picture should give a hint as to where I am from... That is if you recognize a thing in it... :P
Also... First Post! \o/
Pinoy! I do miss the chaos of jeepneys. Lived in Makati from '92 to '96. Odd no one recognized these...Filipino cars/public transport are quite unique in that sense.
Quote from: knutm1980 on March 24, 2012, 07:30:06 AM
Pinoy! I do miss the chaos of jeepneys. Lived in Makati from '92 to '96. Odd no one recognized these...Filipino cars/public transport are quite unique in that sense.
In his post he said: "From RPLL" so no need to mention the city anymore, as everyone (at least here) should be able to tell where about RPLL is..
cheers,
Jona L.