I noticed that the CRJ1000 has three variants. A normal, an EL and the ER.
I understand the normal and the ER but the EL doesnt make sense. It uses the same amount of fuel, has the same amount of passengers but it only does half the range and still costs the same. Why would anybody get a plane that does less distance, for the same price?
Or am I just making an error in my judgment here?
Agreed as it doesn't make sense as you may as well go for the longer range variant....unless you have runway distance restrictions.
Perhaps people with real aircraft knowledge may know the answer why the manufacturer made 3 aircraft models that are so similar.
As I understand it, the reduced MTOW of the EL (EuroLite) version is intended to reduce route fees where they are calculated by weight.
Since AWS route fee calculations do consider MTOW, the EL version might make sense for those that do not require the additional range of the Standard and ER versions.
Ok that makes sense but does roughly 2000 kg MTOW makes such a big difference?
Because of the lower weight it also needs about 150 meters less runway.
It all just seems a little insignificant to me.
Quote from: Dasha on September 20, 2011, 02:32:05 PM
Ok that makes sense but does roughly 2000 kg MTOW makes such a big difference?
Because of the lower weight it also needs about 150 meters less runway.
It all just seems a little insignificant to me.
Given that the EL variant has a MTOW of just below 39,000kg, it could be that at that threshold fees increase (in RL). Even if the fees were only 5% more for over 39,000kg, an airline operating a fleet of 20 or so EL variants could save a sizeable amount of money over a year and as profit margins in the real world are so tight, that is probably quite attractive.
I know that the airline I work for artificially reduce the MTOW of a portion of the fleet (on paper) so that costs are reduced. That of course means that those aircraft's range is artificially reduced even though the aircraft are exactly the same. Baffled me when I learned of it, but really makes a lot of sense if you don't need the range and want to cut costs.
Quote from: Dasha on September 20, 2011, 09:43:08 AM
I noticed that the CRJ1000 has three variants. A normal, an EL and the ER.
I understand the normal and the ER but the EL doesnt make sense. It uses the same amount of fuel, has the same amount of passengers but it only does half the range and still costs the same. Why would anybody get a plane that does less distance, for the same price?
Or am I just making an error in my judgment here?
Also consider that fuel usage shown is only the average, so probably ascend/descend fuel usage might vary. EuroLite version might also be cheaper in terms of price/leasing (didn't check that though) and thus save money as well.
To that you can add the savings on the route fees (as NorgeFly pointed out)
cheers,
Jona L.
The postings to date about route fees etc in RL make sense.....but would it also apply to this sim/game?
I suspect that the difference would be so minor if any that it wouldn't justify having the different types within your fleet?
Quote from: Kadachiman on September 21, 2011, 02:06:06 AM
The postings to date about route fees etc in RL make sense.....but would it also apply to this sim/game?
I suspect that the difference would be so minor if any that it wouldn't justify having the different types within your fleet?
The thing is that you have to look these kind of things in a very broad scope (years of operations) and then, if able, you could make a calculation of the money saved and it could be a very nice number.
It was the same thing with the 787-3, it's mtow was reduced on paper to save on costs but it had the same fuel capacity as the -8 model.
However I don't get why the crj1000el costs more than the 1000
Quote from: flightsimer on September 24, 2011, 05:29:43 AM
However I don't get why the crj1000el costs more than the 1000
Ask Bombardier ;D
Quote from: flightsimer on September 24, 2011, 05:29:43 AM
However I don't get why the crj1000el costs more than the 1000
There might be more features or other advantages that are not related to range or simply not visible in the game. Also isnt it possible that one of the types is a NextGen?
I would like to know the differences in operating costs on short haul flights... under 1000 nm. So if anybody is flying the EL and the standard version and has some numbers for me, I would be much obliged. :)
Quote from: lilius on September 24, 2011, 05:41:43 PM
Also isnt it possible that one of the types is a NextGen?
All are "NextGen" CRJs, thus this SHOULD be irrelevant. The price different can come through sami's system than a plane being ordered often is increased in price (system to also make players fly other, less popular planes). (Though I don't think that this would be the fact, as not soo many people ordered it in MT#5.)
Quote from: Jona L. on September 28, 2011, 01:12:54 PM
All are "NextGen" CRJs,
It appears as this is right yes. :)
Quote from: Dasha on September 20, 2011, 02:32:05 PM
Ok that makes sense but does roughly 2000 kg MTOW makes such a big difference?
Because of the lower weight it also needs about 150 meters less runway.
It all just seems a little insignificant to me.
In the real world, a huge difference...