Got 240-200 they work great need more LH planes should i get 767-200lr or what is the next best thing to 340's? would it be to hard to turn a profit on a 762?
Quote from: tman558 on September 14, 2011, 12:17:33 AM
Got 240-200 they work great need more LH planes should i get 767-200lr or what is the next best thing to 340's? would it be to hard to turn a profit on a 762?
As far as 762:
762 < 763 < 764
As far as next bset thing to 340:
340 is barely in the middle of the pack. 777 is on par or better in some ways than 340.
Superior alternatives in AWS:
350, 787, 333, 764
350 787 764 don't exist in my world and 330 doesn't have the range i need so go with the 777 then i guess. 285pax at 2.3M a month for 772 (8k seat) VS 280pax for 1.7M a month for 342 (6k seat) VS 210pax at 1.4M a month for 762 (6.6k seat)
the per seat cost is much lower on a 762 than 777 plus i gain frequency and smaller routes which is why i'm confused.
I did some research into the matter yesterday as I need ULH planes for my airline and came to the conclusion that the A340-500 is better for me than the 773ER.
First of all because the Scarebus is a lot cheaper and lower fuel consumption. Second reason is because I can fly the A330 to LH destinations, so I keep my commonality.
Quote from: Dasha on September 14, 2011, 06:30:30 AM
I did some research into the matter yesterday as I need ULH planes for my airline and came to the conclusion that the A340-500 is better for me than the 773ER.
First of all because the Scarebus is a lot cheaper and lower fuel consumption. Second reason is because I can fly the A330 to LH destinations, so I keep my commonality.
Fleet Commonality is an important consideration, but be careful about 340-500, but don't expect making a lot of money with it when the fuel prices are hith. If you know how to compare the fuel consumption correctly, 340-500 is one of the worst LH aircraft.
Quote from: JumboShrimp on September 14, 2011, 04:08:23 PM
Fleet Commonality is an important consideration, but be careful about 340-500, but don't expect making a lot of money with it when the fuel prices are hith. If you know how to compare the fuel consumption correctly, 340-500 is one of the worst LH aircraft.
Well do enlighten me :) Cause the way it looks, the 777 has a much higher fuel consumption than the 345.
Divide fuel consumption by passenger.
The 773 carries many more pax than a 340-5 thus being more efficient.
Yes. But I don't need more passengers. I need the range. I was also referring to the 777-200 as the -300 is WAY too big for my airline :)
Quote from: Dasha on September 14, 2011, 04:58:39 PM
Yes. But I don't need more passengers. I need the range. I was also referring to the 777-200 as the -300 is WAY too big for my airline :)
Personally, the 777 and I are not on friendly terms. I lost my butt on 772s.
All the more reason to support my A340 choice... :) I need them in a 2 class setup with a very heavy economy.
Quote from: Dasha on September 14, 2011, 04:38:33 PM
Well do enlighten me :) Cause the way it looks, the 777 has a much higher fuel consumption than the 345.
Multiply passenger capacity for the aircraft by speed and divide by fuel consumption. This will give you how many passenger miles you can fly per unit of fuel. The higher the better.
Just to make sure you are comparing apples to apples, don't use any of the default seating configurations, use Max passengers for the aircraft for the passenger capacity.
Well that is what Im trying to say.. I don't need the maximum passengers a plane can handle. I just need the plane to be profitable, only marginally. I'll get the rest of my profits from the short haul.
Quote from: Dasha on September 14, 2011, 04:58:39 PM
Yes. But I don't need more passengers. I need the range. I was also referring to the 777-200 as the -300 is WAY too big for my airline :)
When you look at one specific route, you can have a specific aircraft that fits it very well, such as 340-500. But that does not make 340 a better aircraft than 777 in general. In general (in AWS), 777 is slightly better than 340. And the gap between 777 and 340 increases as fuel cost becomes larger and larger percentage of operating costs.
Oh I never said the A340 is better because I know that in general the 777 is better :)
I have researched some routes and given the range and passenger demand I have come to the conclusion that for me the A345 is the better option. That does in no way mean the A345 is a better plane, cause it's not.
Had I been a big phat airline, I'd have taken the 777 and take the loss not having to fly the Scrapbus, but hey.. I'm not :D