Hi everyone again,
pls refer to the header - is this true?
Thx once more...
Alex
Yes, as your aircraft are based there ... they cannot magically hop to the other end of the world for example. ;)
You can make 'triangular' routes (home-xxx-yyy-xxx-home), or routes with refuelling stop (home-refuel-xxx-refuel-home) etc.
Basing aircraft outside your home airport will be implemented later on.
Hey Sami!
Thank you for your answer.
For me - it´s one of the most important features in the whole game, that my airline is not just able to depart from my homebase, but also from other airports. Otherwise, there will be only restricted competition.
Enjoy the day.
Alex
Hello, happy New Year to everybody :-) That's great it starts together with the game launch :-)
It is not only competition, but flexibility of development. That limitation will make hard making for example a national carrier.
I am polish so I make the example: I will open the base in Warsaw - the capital, and all the long-haul flights I will have from Warsaw, and will open the feeding flights from regional airports, thats ok. But regional airports also need to have their own regional connections to other european cities. Additionally, what if I would like to have domestic flights not going thru Warsaw, like Gdansk - Cracow ?
I hope Sami, that feature come soon as it will add much more value and reality to the gaming.
I also think it should be possible to base planes away from your home city. But it shouldn't be for free.
You should have to open a "hub" there with all the additional costs that follows.
Costs for another maintenance facility, office space, administration etc. and it should also requite additional workers to keep the operations there running.
So if you want to base planes away from home, you should really need to think it over more than ones before you make the call.
Quote from: sami on January 03, 2009, 09:58:38 PM
Basing aircraft outside your home airport will be implemented later on.
I hope this feature will be very expensive for airlines. There are a lot of airlines with extreme route networks who have the possibility and the money to open routes everywhere in the world, which makes it very hard for the small local airlines out there.
Almost every route with 'good' demand is already occupied, so it can be very hard sometimes to build up an airline.
It could be cheaper to open another HUB in the same country, but very expensive to open a HUB in a city on the other side of the planet. Another alternative is some kind of distance limits. I mean, a HUB in Honolulu and one in Washington isn't either especially cheap.
Maybe there also should be a distiction between HUB and BASE.
Base would just be another airport where you have your flights from with basic facilities, catering, outsorced A,B checks and a few slots in terminals.
Hub would be another center where you have many flights from, own terminal, own hangars and maintainance center where you can perform checks on your own facilities, and many flights and transfer, a lot of administration and ground staff.
i think second bases should be added, but restrict it to the same country as the main base.
Why ? There are many lowcost airlines which have bases spread all over the Europe
Quote from: Kastor on January 04, 2009, 11:55:39 PM
Why ? There are many lowcost airlines which have bases spread all over the Europe
yeah, some airlines have Hubs in (for example) Beijing and New York JFK, with their main base being in Frankfurt! that would be highly unrealistic if it were in the same country ONLY, or it being extremely expensive to add another Hub in general!
I wanted to add to this discussion.
QuoteFor me - it´s one of the most important features in the whole game, that my airline is not just able to depart from my homebase, but also from other airports. Otherwise, there will be only restricted competition.
I find the last part a bit off. While you may be restricted in competition to another "continent". There is still
fierce competition within your given Continent. (USA, Asia, Europe..ect)
Several players have perfected strategies using the "continuation" feature in the game right now.
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg247.imageshack.us%2Fimg247%2F1497%2Fcompkd3.jpg&hash=e96a10187684a46caa2407666c4e5c0aa68ad6ea)
and
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg371.imageshack.us%2Fimg371%2F3954%2Fcomp2rq8.jpg&hash=b16a060a9e44ece796adc790345d7fd42a48e0c8)
I can assure you there is/will be competition within the game. Im sure the other beta testers will concur ;)
-Talentz
Quote from: Kastor on January 04, 2009, 11:55:39 PM
Why ? There are many lowcost airlines which have bases spread all over the Europe
EU is a different case as it's considered as single economic area in 2000s.
But then for a German airline setting up a base in USA or China .. that's not realistic.
Yeah, I forgot that is because of EU and it is only good after 2000.
In fact, no country will allow another country from different part of the world to open a base because that would be shooting own foot.
So will we have the possibility to open base in EU countries if we are from other EU country, or only the base in same country ?
Quote from: sami on January 05, 2009, 11:01:14 AM
But then for a German airline setting up a base in USA or China .. that's not realistic.
true, but Air Namibia has a base in....Namibia (whatever the city is...) and in Frankfurt! Namibia is in
AFRICA!
Quote from: ICEcold on January 08, 2009, 09:49:55 PM
true, but Air Namibia has a base in....Namibia (whatever the city is...) and in Frankfurt! Namibia is in Africa!
That airline is not allowed to fly intra-European routes in real life, no matter if they'd have a crew rest base, maintenance base or something like that at FRA (and besides where's this info from?). (which was the whole point of this topic or the previous messages)
As Talentz was hinting, You CAN have second hubs (sort of) if you use the 3 leg routes and a bit of intelligence. ;)
I saw it in Airliner World. It had an article about AviaReps.......Oops. Nevermind!
Quote from: sami on January 05, 2009, 11:01:14 AM
EU is a different case as it's considered as single economic area in 2000s.
But then for a German airline setting up a base in USA or China .. that's not realistic.
There is airlines that operates bases a long way from home.
Northwest at NRT comes to mind.
I'm not saying that it's usual, or for that matter a important feature to have in AirwaySim, just saying that it absolutely exists in the real world.
Hallo Sami,
I want to take up this topic again, as the situation is completely confusing for me.
As I see it now, the situation/rules as described in this thread so far, has been changed.
Can you please take the trouble and give us once more a description of the rules concerning "triangular" routes or routes that go through 4 points?
I am interested in A - B - C - A, where "A" is my home base and where I am interested to take paying passengers from not only from A to B and from C to A, but also in a reverse flight A - C - B - A also from A to C and from B to A. All thos would take place only in one country and I do not see, why this is not possible, as this certainly would be the same in reality.
To be very honest, I do see the hub-system, as it is now in the game, as not quite realistic. If in real life airlines were forced to form their routes in the way as the game prescribes it to us gamers, then I am sure, this airline would soon go down the drain or at least not operate in a way, which is utilizing the airplane in an economical way.
But, on the other side, I must say, the game as a whole is amazing me and it is great, what you and your team have created for us.
For this I also want to say THANKS!!! I like to play it and although I cannot sink so much time into it, as would be required to become a large airline, I am happy and think that this game does have a good competitive edge.
Hoping for an answer from you regarding my route-problems, which gives orientation to us all,
Best regards,
BizFlyer
3 and 4-leg routes (except for fuel stop) are currently forbidden for game balance reasons. 4-leg routes allowed strong players to easily destroy any weaker opposition by routing trough their base. Search may find some discussion about allowing multi-leg routes again.
Yep, though not allowed now (since 1.2 came out with hubs), Sami has mentioned he might be implementing the 3-leg routes again, if not fully, at least so that smaller airlines can benefit on small-demand routes.
Quote from: Jps on December 01, 2010, 01:18:37 PM
Yep, though not allowed now (since 1.2 came out with hubs), Sami has mentioned he might be implementing the 3-leg routes again, if not fully, at least so that smaller airlines can benefit on small-demand routes.
I would rather see basing restrictions lifted, and costs for bases not be as high. ABCBA routes, IMO, will give such an unfair advantage to players starting from top airports. In MT3, I am based in Atlanta, and I could see doubling my revenue if ABCBA routes were allowed, without having to open a new base....
Players starting in smaller airports would have their opportunities far more limited...
Quote from: JumboShrimp on December 01, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
I would rather see basing restrictions lifted, and costs for bases not be as high. ABCBA routes, IMO, will give such an unfair advantage to players starting from top airports
...
Players starting in smaller airports would have their opportunities far more limited...
I actually found the opposite. Starting from a small base, with ABCBA routes gave me the opportunity to serve more communities, because I could go on from those communities to serve larger cities nearby. I actually wish I could do an ABCDEDCBA route, to create "milk runs" between major airports, but that would only work if the computer modeled traffic between "E" and "A."