Airbus has racked up more than 600 orders and commitments since it launched the A320neo last December and still going strong. Le Bourget has brought another influx of orders and is making Boeing think twice.
Here are the orders from Le Bourget 2011 with 1 more trade day to go, more are expected tomorrow along with new customer for A380:
Air Lease Corporation - 20 A320NEO, 16 A321NEO, 14 NEO options
AviancaTACA - 33 A320NEO
CIT Leasing - 50 A320NEO
Cebu Pacific - 30 A320NEO
Garuda - 10 A320NEO
GECAS - 60 A320NEO
Go Air India - 72 A320NEO
Indigo - 150 A320NEO
JetBlue - 40 A320NEO
LAN - 20 A320NEO
Lufthansa - 25 A320NEO, 5 A321NEO
Republic Airways - 40 A319NEO, 40 A320NEO
SAS - 30 A320NEO
TAM - 22 A320NEO
TransAsia - 6 A321NEO
Great going Airbus, The A320 is a great aircraft and is going to be ONE for a long time .
AIRBUS
Setting standards
Well, looks like the B737 may be unseated...
well 737 is a good aircraft but Boeing is still not sure which way to go. New technology may be there but not to a great extent and spending money on something which is not there when they have to address issues of B787 and B747-8I .
I think B737 re-engine and slightly modified is definitely on cards especially after a amazing orders flurry during the Paris air show.
I think they're waiting on the launch of the 787 first. When they're sure the tech works they'll develop a replacement for the 737 based on the the 787.
Reading what the Boeing leadership has been saying lately they are favoring a new design not a re-engine 737. They're even considering a twin aisle. We'll see.
See:
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines-components/news/boeing-moves-toward-797-replace-737-0621
they have been saying that for a while, but with 787 delays, 747-8i delays , staff problems (union strikes- short term) etc, they are struggling
And I think Airbus has got a better strategy by not altering their A320 type. Although it might be a little less efficient than a completely new type, it saves companies a lot of commonality costs involved. For example, a type rating for a single pilot alone usually costs around €30k already.
Hmm, assuming the 797 (composite 737 or whatever) doesn't take Boeing under, I think that they'll be in advantage in the long run, because when Airbus is rolling out their fully new plane to replace the NEO, Boeing can reengine and will be miles ahead.
Quote from: Quinoky on June 22, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
And I think Airbus has got a better strategy by not altering their A320 type. Although it might be a little less efficient than a completely new type, it saves companies a lot of commonality costs involved. For example, a type rating for a single pilot alone usually costs around €30k already.
The type rating conversion from a 777 to a 787 is no more than a 3 or 4 day course. I would expect the 737 replacement would be much the same.
wohooo Another fantastic start for Airbus
72 x A320neo for Go Air and
200 X A320neo for Air Asia,
Great going Airbus- Well done.
Cheers
Have there been any other Airbus orders or just the A320s?
Any new A380s, A330s, A350s? Or maybe even A340s?
34 A320, 11 A330, 6 A350 and 12 A380 and 667 Airbus 320neo
And Air France - KLM are going to place some 40 more orders with Airbus. The exact type is going to be specified next month. :)
Quote from: BobTheCactus on June 22, 2011, 09:48:20 PM
Hmm, assuming the 797 (composite 737 or whatever) doesn't take Boeing under, I think that they'll be in advantage in the long run, because when Airbus is rolling out their fully new plane to replace the NEO, Boeing can reengine and will be miles ahead.
Maybe, but my point is that if companies operating the B737 massively want to upgrade their fleet, they'd rather want to stay with the same type than moving to a fully new one. Especially since it then doesn't matter whether they buy the B797, the CS300, the A320neo, etc. because they are now forced to change their fleet type anyway. In other words, Boeing's now potentially lost many customers (though, if they can roll out the B797 rather quickly and if it is significantly better than the A320neo or the CS300 or any other type, this might not be the case).
Order list for Le Bourget 2011
http://bit.ly/jtp85w
One company clearly did a little better than the others! ;D
Quote from: juanchopancho on June 22, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Reading what the Boeing leadership has been saying lately they are favoring a new design not a re-engine 737.
Because they can't. 737 rides so low on ground that they cannot fit the new generation engines that have larger fan diameter. Landing gear rework is rather complicated.
Well, it's a 1960s design...
Quote from: sami on June 23, 2011, 08:21:23 PM
Because they can't. 737 rides so low on ground that they cannot fit the new generation engines that have larger fan diameter. Landing gear rework is rather complicated.
Well, it's a 1960s design...
All it took to beat out a 50 year old aircraft design was a multinational government consortium working together for several decades. GG Airbus.
Well, I see the Americans shall now start complaining how terrible Airbus is and Boeing is amazing because they're American! :-\
Don't forget another one to watch out for - Embraer.
They will announce their move into the narrowbody market soon after Boeing does.
Assuming that Boeing goes for the 180-200 seat market, expect up to an 150 seat product from Embraer competing with the likes of the CSeries.
They also haven't ruled out re-engining the E-Jets and maybe another stretch to 120 or so seats.
And Comac of course.
They will have huge government subsidies, and they are (reportedly) working with Sukhoi and Bombardier to create commonality and provide a competent competitor to B737NG/32X
Quote from: BobTheCactus on June 23, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
And Comac of course.
And this came up a few days ago.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jun/20/ryanair-designs-chinese-rival-boeing-737 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jun/20/ryanair-designs-chinese-rival-boeing-737)
Boeing won't be happy at that.
Same thing as Ryanair announced they order A320. Just marketing and pressure on Boeing.
poor Ryanair, both manufacturer's don't want to sell him planes , so he goes to China to help them build C919 something , ahahhahaha,
May be coin slot for toilets will be a common feature soon (for sure) :laugh:
Cheers
Quote from: BobTheCactus on June 23, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
And Comac of course.
I had to laugh really hard.
All aircraft that were proudly presented as Chinese developments are either old designs of western aircraft (COMAC ARJ21 as a DC-9 copy for example) or Russian/Soviet ones (MiG-21, Su-27), have most parts developed by Sukhoi, Anotonow or another Russian design bureau or are simply delivered from manufacturers all over the world - except China.
If I would follow this argumentation, I would be a proud designer of Intel, because I was able to buy a CPU from them and use it. Or a famous airline CEO, because I run one in my own little world.
Way to go AIRBUS
QANTAS group orders 110 A320neo's plus 194 purchase rights and options- WOHOOOOOOOOO ;D
Of the 110 A320s, 106 are firm orders while the remaining four could be either purchased or leased. The 110 A320s include 78 A320neos.
Also Transaero tentatively signs for A320neo
Transaero is planning to break from its traditional preference for Boeing aircraft with an order for Airbus A320neos.
source: Flight global
cheers
VJC
VJC do you work for Airbus?
Quote from: alexgv1 on August 17, 2011, 09:15:20 AM
VJC do you work for Airbus?
You don't need to work for Airbus to like them ;-)
Quote from: Flobacca on August 17, 2011, 11:48:18 AM
You don't need to work for Airbus to like them ;-)
Well that's exactly what I was wondering actually, people seem very keen on AB and I was wondering if it was some kind of EU pride or what drove people to care so much.
Quote from: alexgv1 on August 17, 2011, 01:45:20 PM
Well that's exactly what I was wondering actually, people seem very keen on AB and I was wondering if it was some kind of EU pride or what drove people to care so much.
probably both... EU people like Airbus as well as American prefer Boeing or Canadian prefer Bombardier.
But from an objective standpont, I truly believe that Airbus A320 family is excellent, as well as B737. But the NEO version is adding significant value for airlines.
As for LH, A330 is great, B777 as well. A380 is great, but I doubt B748 is matching the challenge (luckily it is positionned on another market than the A380).
In the end, I believe Airbuses are more stable (hence feeling of safety for passenger increased), silent, less consuming for similar weighting,... However, I have some friends in the maintenance department who consider Boeing as safer since it still uses mechanical commands. B747 is incredibly safe as a plane.
Both brands are providing great products. My preference just goes to Airbus, but this is not because I would reject Boeing.
Quote from: Flobacca on August 17, 2011, 11:48:18 AM
You don't need to work for Airbus to like them ;-)
Wish I was mate, a MASSIVE fan of Airbus
VJC
I even try to book my flights on all Airbus only aircraft's :P, so all connections and everything is Airbus (ofc others are also welcome) but a BIG NO to Ryanair.
I like Airbus and do aim to get on Airbus aircraft where possible.
Both because I like the fact that they are European and partly built in Britain and also a close relation works in Airbus, he worked on both the A380 and is now on the A400M I believe, I also spent a week doing work experience in the "Flight Physics" department with Airbus in Filton.