The current Modern Times scenario is ending in 25 days, and according to the normal game world rotation the next full world will start shortly before that.
The estimated start date for the next Modern Times themed scenario is on March 4th (Friday), at approximately 15.10-15.30 UTC.
1.2 or 1.3?
Quote from: cedlind on February 23, 2011, 10:19:32 AM
1.2 or 1.3?
1.2 off course 1.3 i still some way from being finished
Correct; I could bring in the v.1.3 but there's not much actual new in that as for now. (making the fully new features is slow since the system is so complex already, if I add one thing I will have to consider it in many other things too)
Quote from: Sunbao on February 23, 2011, 10:59:51 AM
1.2 off course 1.3 i still some way from being finished
I give it 2 months or so.....
Is the next MT4 then identical to MT3? No ABCBA routes, no changes to rules on bases?
Quote from: JumboShrimp on February 23, 2011, 09:49:42 PM
Is the next MT4 then identical to MT3? No ABCBA routes, no changes to rules on bases?
I don't mind to use 1.2, but it will be great if the ABCBA routes can be re-allowed!
I agree.
ABCBA
In the next round of game worlds, will airport passenger stats be added or will that be included within 1.3?
Quote from: Lazybee on February 24, 2011, 04:58:59 PM
In the next round of game worlds, will airport passenger stats be added or will that be included within 1.3?
There will be nothing new, no point in making a v 1.3 if you put all the new things in in the currentley version ;)
Games was good at old style, ABCBA and no other bases...
Multiple bases is more fun but including both would be awesome, as long as it follows the rules regarding cabotage.
for someone who never played the ABCBA route style...
what is the benefit of this style of play? do you only have one 'hub' but with numerous 'focus cities' ?
just wondering how this style of game is played...
8)
Yeah...
You could base at Dublin, route everything to Heathrow or Gatwick and operate another route from there and back.
It wouldn't be a good idea to have the ABCBA routes. There are players who after the first year of the game have a fleet of 500 planes and who occupy numerous good airport. By doing that they reduce the choice newcommers have.
What wouldn't be a bad idea is to allow it in either the same country as the base of the airline or in the same zone (the same zone where the airline can open a route).
What I would ass is for example if you have a flight Budapest-Prague-Krakow that you can carry Budapest-Krakow passengers on the same plane in stead of just Budapest-Prague and then Prague Krakow.
Quote from: norcarolinian on February 25, 2011, 07:02:20 AM
for someone who never played the ABCBA route style...
what is the benefit of this style of play? do you only have one 'hub' but with numerous 'focus cities' ?
just wondering how this style of game is played...
Basically you were able to dominate the whole market if you got a good start. For example if your first hub was Tokyo Haneda (=no intl. route demand) you could start your airline by flying Haneda-Osaka-X-Osaka-Haneda. Now you realize that Haneda-Osaka has a demand of thousands of passengers per day, so you were able to fill the Haneda-Osaka with B747s that continued to London Heathrow and other lucrative international routes, and why not domestic routes too...
The crazies route I ever had was Tokyo Narita-Bangkok-Munich-Bangkok-Narita, which of course wouldn't make any sense in real life.
Quote from: mtnlion on February 25, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
Basically you were able to dominate the whole market if you got a good start. For example if your first hub was Tokyo Haneda (=no intl. route demand) you could start your airline by flying Haneda-Osaka-X-Osaka-Haneda. Now you realize that Haneda-Osaka has a demand of thousands of passengers per day, so you were able to fill the Haneda-Osaka with B747s that continued to London Heathrow and other lucrative international routes, and why not domestic routes too...
The crazies route I ever had was Tokyo Narita-Bangkok-Munich-Bangkok-Narita, which of course wouldn't make any sense in real life.
Seriously these routes are a royal pain in the ass if you are a n00b and the more people we have playing airwaysim the better. The more experienced players can take over your airport and kill you while you are still trying to learn the game. As has also been mentioned these route also do not reflect real life. I certainly would not join a game that had this rule. Of course if 2 games were created 1 with the rule and 1 with out I think everyone would be happy.
Cheers
Lost
Ah... you pay for new servers right?
Quote from: Maarten Otto on February 25, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
Yeah...
You could base at Dublin, route everything to Heathrow or Gatwick and operate another route from there and back.
OK got it....
seems to me that you should be able to open any route between any two airports you already serve...
i mean who would want to, but I think i should be able to open GSO-DSM...even though i dont have bases at either...
just sayin :)
Quote from: norcarolinian on February 26, 2011, 09:40:10 AM
OK got it....
seems to me that you should be able to open any route between any two airports you already serve...
i mean who would want to, but I think i should be able to open GSO-DSM...even though i dont have bases at either...
just sayin :)
That's how it used to be.
It was taken off, because it's not realistic; in real world, an airline based in, say, Heathrow and flying to JFK and Tokyo, can't open a route between JFK and Tokyo because the governments of USA and Japan don't want airlines from other countries to compete with airlines of their own. The same goes to any country, except for inter-EU and some exceptions.
So thats how it should remain!
Chicago ORD i'm coming... :)
Quote from: Jona L. on February 23, 2011, 06:40:28 PM
I give it 2 months or so.....
So now you are moaning and whining on another thread two months is not that long :P
Cheers
Lost
Quote from: Maarten Otto on February 26, 2011, 09:29:49 AM
Ah... you pay for new servers right?
Where you talking to me?
Quote from: Jps on February 26, 2011, 12:18:10 PM
That's how it used to be.
It was taken off, because it's not realistic; in real world, an airline based in, say, Heathrow and flying to JFK and Tokyo, can't open a route between JFK and Tokyo because the governments of USA and Japan don't want airlines from other countries to compete with airlines of their own. The same goes to any country, except for inter-EU and some exceptions.
In the real world, it does require the 5th freedom between the external two countries. But there are many examples of that, e.g. SQ operates SIN-HKG-SFO, CX operates HKG-YVR-JFK, VS operates LHR-HKG-SYD.
I just don't know why this is taken out when multi-bases was allowed in previous games.
More realistic, in a domestic market, there is no restriction for this kind of routes. E.g., in China, it
is very common in have CAN-xxx-PEK where xxx can be any countries. You may say that by having multi-bases
this kind of routes can be "simulated" easily. However, opening a new base costs a lot. It doesn't make sense to open a base in an airport where demand is less. But by having ABCBA route, we can serve that airport easily. And this is what the reality does!!!
There's only one case that is not allowed in the real world. An airline that does not belong to that country (or EU) cannot operate domestic sector in that country.
I think we can just make an restriction to that case (the last one), while re-open the ABCBA route to other cases (e.g. three countries, or fully domestic).
The real problem with previous scenarios that permitted ABCBA routes was there was no restriction on oversupplying the A-B and B-A legs. An airline could could use that leg to "reach through" to other routes where there was good demand, taking a loss on the A-B and B-A legs to profit on the B-C and C-B legs. With current oversupply restrictions in place I'm not sure that ABCBA routes would be such a bad thing, nor would it negate or replace the multi-base concept. An airline could not pursue a comprehensive expansion plan based solely upon ABCBA routes (only a new base would permit siginificant airline growth) but ABCBA routes would allow a smaller airline to more efficienty serve thinner routes from its primary base. If it were put to a vote I would vote to reinstate ABCBA routes as long as oversuplly rules stay in effect.
Quote from: ksliu9 on February 27, 2011, 01:40:11 PM
In the real world, it does require the 5th freedom between the external two countries. But there are many examples of that, e.g. SQ operates SIN-HKG-SFO, CX operates HKG-YVR-JFK, VS operates LHR-HKG-SYD.
These are just single items and "isolated" examples, and they will not modeled as that is impossible in the scale of whole world and timeframe of 50+ years.
(and also, it was already announced when multi-bases and v.1.2 came to effect that A-B-C routes will return later when they are properly modeled; so this discussion isn't really relevant, as it's been decided already .. though not done yet :P)
Quote from: Maarten Otto on February 27, 2011, 11:22:27 AM
Yes I was ;D
Dude I am happy to pay for the servers for one month if you will pay the next not an issue at all.
Cheers
Lost
Hmm... Should I start up in HEL or some other Airport in Japan :P
What time is the world starting up?
16:00 UTC
Start it early, Sami! That's 6am for me! :D
1600 UTC is 0300 for me. Which isn't really an issue for day 1, since that goes for 24 hours. But days 2-7 will be 0300-0630 Sunday morning. Guess I'm getting up early. :D
Quote from: sami on February 23, 2011, 09:53:10 AM
The estimated start date for the next Modern Times themed scenario is on March 4th (Friday), at approximately 15.10-15.30 UTC
Please note the slightly updated time.
Guess I'm getting up even earlier. :D
That's 2310-2350 for me......I can just set it up and go to sleep :P
New scenario start = best birthday present ever :P
I'm having a vacation here in Africa, here is nothing to do, a rainy day, and all I can do is after 17 (5PM) to reserve a seat from this game and start to play tomorrow after 17 :'(
I just can't wait, this is frustrating ;D But in the next week, when I've flown back to home; then it will be fun and challenging...
Can't wait till 15:10 :D
Will be the first time playing a scenario from the beginning :P
excitement is in the air :) !!!
Well once again i can't keep away from start up with the new game world grr.
Well maby this time i will continue running my company after i have passed two hundrede games.
CANT WAIT FOR IT TO START!!!!!!! ;D
Hi all,
Quick question : I'm currently in the beginner world. Is it possible to leave this world and to concentrate on the new one which opens in... one hour or so ? Or am I forced to finish the world I'm currently in ? I don't want to have two airlines to operate.
Thanks!
Quote from: bodemory on March 04, 2011, 02:49:30 PM
Hi all,
Quick question : I'm currently in the beginner world. Is it possible to leave this world and to concentrate on the new one which opens in... one hour or so ? Or am I forced to finish the world I'm currently in ? I don't want to have two airlines to operate.
Thanks!
You can leave your current game by declaring bankrupt and choosing the option to leave the game completely.
Or you can have active airlines in both worlds.
Dashboard -> Change game.
(game is starting in ~30 mins from now)
Quote from: sami on March 04, 2011, 02:50:51 PM
Or you can have active airlines in both worlds.
Dashboard -> Change game.
(game is starting in ~30 mins from now)
nice..can't wait...
Thanks sami and Norgefly for your answers!
Cheers
Hi Sami,
Do you know when the next scenarios will start? particularly the Jet Age.
Thanks,
Paulo
Quote from: pavlo on March 20, 2011, 03:32:13 PM
Hi Sami,
Do you know when the next scenarios will start? particularly the Jet Age.
Thanks,
Paulo
Hi,
check this thread (https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,29491.0.html) to see what Sami responded earlier today.