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Title: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: 6Pack on September 28, 2010, 03:53:49 PM
Hey,

Maybe one reason I don't do as well is because I obviously don't put as much time and effort into planning routes as some other airlines, like Blur Airlines for example.  I just have not yet found a reason to why this does better than having all my flights fly everyday.  I'm missing something, aren't I?



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Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: Sami on September 28, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Due to scheduling issues with other routes, or optimization of schedules. And especially for longhauls since often the plane cannot make a roundtrip in 24h.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 04:03:09 PM
You really need to get birds in the air every day flying to the same destination.  Don't have a plane flying a different routine each day.  You won't maximize your route image and your competition will eat you alive.

I like to look for 2 to 3 routes that match up really well and can be flown in one day.  The easy was is to fly a plane west at 1700h about 1300nm.  That way, it redeyes back (takes off before 2300 and lands after 500 local time).  Add 70 minutes and then fly another route that will have you back 70min before the redeye flight. 

With 2 flights per day your typical 737/a320/md80p can fly about 6000nm total.  If you find a good 2000nnm redeye, find a 1000nm second flight (and then fly this 6 times so that you can schedule your a chwck).  Remember you do not need to arrange your schedule around a b check as that just cancels your flights for that day.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 04:06:40 PM
I failed to add one thing about lh flights.  You will want to get a 7 plane routine if you are flying to destinations that take over a day to travel to and return from.  What ends up happening when you line up one after another is that you will end up having two return flights on a calendar day.  You will lose lf and possibly violate the 200% rule
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: 6Pack on September 28, 2010, 04:33:23 PM
All my planes fly the same 5 route airport each day (it's a different set of airports for each plane).  The reason it's only 5 is because of San Diego's curfew, no flying from 2300-0500.  Other than that those planes are flying every minute from 0500-2300 except for the 30 minute break in between each break.  I figured this was working pretty good so far.  But if you read what I posted before, I ain't growing too much so I figured maybe this was a cause.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 04:41:53 PM
The trick about ksan is to fly many planes east at 2255 and have them land at the destination after 050p0.  Id avoid 752s domestically because of long turn times.  They aren't bad, but you won't have them in the air as much as a plane that needs half of that time.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: 6Pack on September 28, 2010, 04:56:34 PM
Well maybe so if my Saab business was doing well enough to finance a larger airliner, but after a number of weeks I was finally able to get just one other Saab, no where near to being able to get a bigger jet.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: 6Pack on September 28, 2010, 04:56:34 PM
Well maybe so if my Saab business was doing well enough to finance a larger airliner, but after a number of weeks I was finally able to get just one other Saab, no where near to being able to get a bigger jet.

From experience, saabs are a good supplement and not a backbone of an aws airline
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: JumboShrimp on September 28, 2010, 06:33:35 PM
Quote from: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 05:09:26 PM
From experience, saabs are a good supplement and not a backbone of an aws airline

Well, one at the time.  When you have several of them flying, your profits will go up faster, and you will be able to get a larger jet.  Another thing to think about in the future games is that Saab is not the only turbo-prop.  I see a lot of people using them but I prefer ATR and Bombardier Q400.  They are a little slower than Saab, but have a quicker turn around times and can carry more passengers.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
Jumbo is right but concerning the turn times, the speed of the plane easily makes up for that.

Remember a fast plane with a long turn time can be about the same as a slow plane with a good turn time.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: JumboShrimp on September 28, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
Jumbo is right but concerning the turn times, the speed of the plane easily makes up for that.

Remember a fast plane with a long turn time can be about the same as a slow plane with a good turn time.

Yup, it definitely makes it up vs. ATR, not so sure about Dash 8 Q400.  That one takes a bit longer distance to make up.  And speaking of longer distance, default HD configuration of Saab works against it, and in general, 20 pax deficit (in HD) vs. Dash 8.
Title: Re: I know there is a point, I just don't see it.
Post by: swiftus27 on September 28, 2010, 07:30:06 PM
Quote from: JumboShrimp on September 28, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Yup, it definitely makes it up vs. ATR, not so sure about Dash 8 Q400.  That one takes a bit longer distance to make up.  And speaking of longer distance, default HD configuration of Saab works against it, and in general, 20 pax deficit (in HD) vs. Dash 8.

I order all of my Saabs with 51 standard instead of 58 HD.   I agree with you there.