I am just curious if there are any people that are currently in the industry. I am a pilot for a regional in the US for Delta connections so some people would say i am crazy for doing anything related to my work. But i figure i fly the planes not mange the airlines so it is ok for me to do this. (I dont play flight sim or any flying game because that is my work)
...then call me crazy too ;)
Half crazy? Studying Aviation.
Quote from: sami on June 02, 2010, 08:07:53 PM
...then call me crazy too ;)
Is this the perfect moment to ask what you are working? 8)
So, not to be fully offtopic, I'm studying business law, but as a child I always wanted to become a pilot ...
I'm in rehab, after leaving the industry in October ;) but I still try to keep up to date with everything that is civil aviation and hope to return one day
what are you studying? Management, atc, pilot or mechanic. Cant think of anything else you would study for
Not yet but my real dream is to end up with a commercial pilot licence one day...
Future mechanic here. ;D
Scheduled to finish all EASA B1-1 modules by October. But I'm not sure if I can finish it on schedule, flung Module 7 and Module 9....
I am a network admin, but i have a degree on flight simulator :). Used to fly for Delta Virtual.
Doing a degree in Aerospace Engineering at the moment then aim to become airline pilot.
Quote from: jest on June 03, 2010, 12:19:22 AM
but i have a degree on flight simulator :). Used to fly for Delta Virtual.
LOL I don't think that counts as probably EVERY flight simmer has gone through DVA at some point. ;D I don't think mine counts, as I
will be going into pilot school soon (once I get out of stupid High School :P) hopefully a US airline will accept me (I'm hoping for either UAL or Delta as they are the best) :)
I must be full crazy too.... I actually want to be an airline CEO.... or at least a route planner. I would die for a job like that. What specific degrees would I need? Management? Business? lol. :laugh:
for you guys who want to be pilots what are your plans on how to do it. I might be able to shed some light on things. i have been an FO for 2.5 years now on the CRJ 200
I am crazy too. Pilot, when not CEO of my african adventure here on Airwaysim
Quote from: Curse on June 02, 2010, 08:43:50 PM
Is this the perfect moment to ask what you are working? 8)
I think Sami flies A320s for Finnair :) Not 100% sure though.
I am gonna be working for an aviation leasing company this summer.
Airline industry? No thanks.
Aviation (as all things that fly in the air with somebody at the front)? That had paid my salary for last eight years.
Crazy? Absolutely!
Quote from: Seattle on June 03, 2010, 03:56:49 AM
I must be full crazy too.... I actually want to be an airline CEO.... or at least a route planner. I would die for a job like that. What specific degrees would I need? Management? Business? lol. :laugh:
I must admit this game has made me think of switching degree from engineering to maybe management (although we already do some management modules) because I think it would be pretty neat becoming an airline CEO (say, in my instance after flying for them). Read a few books on them, although mainly the low cost CEOs, would be such hard work. Trade unions dont seem to be their friends (see: Willie Walsch at the moment ;) ).
Probabily one of the craziest because I work in the management of a big airline ;D
But still love this game
I'm a paramedic... so I dont have any relations to the aviation family at all! Though I was a great fan of the flight simulator games - and then I love management.
Actually, in my sparetime - I start real world companies and sell them - just for fun!
14 year old aspiring to become airline CEO. What's the best road?
I'm in the air force academy to be military pilot... not airline industry, but aviation industry.. haha ;D
Quote from: Catita Bill on June 05, 2010, 09:25:49 PM
I'm in the air force academy to be military pilot... not airline industry, but aviation industry.. haha ;D
Well even after ur retirement from military u might still able to get a pilot jobs on civil aviation or instructor work i suppose. :laugh:
I stumbled into aviation about 7 years ago after university. A couple of years as cabin crew and now I work in the operations and planning division of the same airline.
I have worked for BA (yes, that Willy bankruptcy airline) security in Amsterdam for some years. Today I work at the tower.... making sure trains land safely at the right platform at the Schiphol airport rail station ;D
Oh, as well as my plans to become a pilot hopefully one day for work experience I spent a week doing work experience in the Flight Physics department of Airbus in Filton. I had to prove an A318 could land at London City.
You will never believe what the result was...
And IIRC I was there a week or so after some 747s flew in for conversion and missed an A380 by not too long as well.
Quote from: CX257 on June 05, 2010, 09:39:31 PM
Well even after ur retirement from military u might still able to get a pilot jobs on civil aviation or instructor work i suppose. :laugh:
Hehe.. yeah.. this is a good market here in Brazil, and when someone is retired from the military, the companies goes after you to fly for them... I'm willing to fly helicopters, the market is really good after my retirement too... but.. i have 35 years of service ahead hahaha
Quote from: Catita Bill on June 05, 2010, 11:11:08 PM
Hehe.. yeah.. this is a good market here in Brazil, and when someone is retired from the military, the companies goes after you to fly for them... I'm willing to fly helicopters, the market is really good after my retirement too... but.. i have 35 years of service ahead hahaha
Yeah most THY pilots are ex-military (which has problems when they expect the same performance from a civil aircraft ;D ) but I believe the number is decreasing now as a percentage. A lot of pilots I have spoken to in the UK get trained with the RAF and go commercial after a military career, suppose it's one of the main career paths to that goal.
I would STRONGLY recommend that people here NOT NOT NOT work for an airline . There is no future in it. The economic model basically doesnt work. In the USA, airline employees are earning on average the same salary they did 10 years ago. :'( :o >:(
Aviation is ok. There are many other aviation related jobs that arent airlines
Quote from: ekaneti on June 06, 2010, 02:00:00 AM
I would STRONGLY recommend that people here NOT NOT NOT work for an airline . There is no future in it. The economic model basically doesnt work. In the USA, airline employees are earning on average the same salary they did 10 years ago. :'( :o >:(
Aviation is ok. There are many other aviation related jobs that arent airlines
You forgetting top administration ;)
Plus, if you love what you do, you do it.
Fly them, no way!! I control them instead....best video game in the world.... ;D
i am an a/c engineer ,cat B1.1 type rating b737+a320fam,working for a BIG airline...... ;D
Quote from: pattN on June 06, 2010, 08:51:14 AM
i am an a/c engineer ,cat B1.1 type rating b737+a320fam,working for a BIG airline...... ;D
Air Berlin? Hapag-Lloyd/Express? Luftansa (as they operate both like Air berlin).......
Quote from: ekaneti on June 06, 2010, 02:00:00 AM
I would STRONGLY recommend that people here NOT NOT NOT work for an airline . There is no future in it. The economic model basically doesnt work. In the USA, airline employees are earning on average the same salary they did 10 years ago. :'( :o >:(
Aviation is ok. There are many other aviation related jobs that arent airlines
Well that depends largely on the airline you work for surely...
The USA and Europe are pretty different too. In the US it is not uncommon for crews (pilots + cabin staff) to commute hundreds of miles to their hub to work for very low wages (especially the regional airlines). Here in the UK (and Europe as far as I am aware) the situation is much better.
I work for a European regional airline and the wages are not particularly high by industry standards, but our junior pilots for example earn considerably more than the US equivalent (in fact cabin crew at my airline earn more than a new regional pilot does for some US airlines!).
Quote from: NorgeFly on June 06, 2010, 09:04:30 PM
Well that depends largely on the airline you work for surely...
The USA and Europe are pretty different too. In the US it is not uncommon for crews (pilots + cabin staff) to commute hundreds of miles to their hub to work for very low wages (especially the regional airlines). Here in the UK (and Europe as far as I am aware) the situation is much better.
I work for a European regional airline and the wages are not particularly high by industry standards, but our junior pilots for example earn considerably more than the US equivalent (in fact cabin crew at my airline earn more than a new regional pilot does for some US airlines!).
EU is much better than Asian... A technician with EASA B1-1 licence earns only 1000USD.
Just wondering here..... but what types of degrees would need to be an airline CEO or someone high up in management?
Quote from: Seattle on June 07, 2010, 05:23:37 AM
Just wondering here..... but what types of degrees would need to be an airline CEO or someone high up in management?
Well, a "CEO" is quite a different animal than someone "high up in management"
"High up in Management" could mean any sort of business-centric degrees. Accounting, Finance, Operations, Customer Relations, Legal, even Human Resources -- each would have their own seperate departments within an airline, each with their own hierarchy of management. You could be exceedingly "high up in management" but actually be in the HR department. You don't have to choose any particular degree to be "high up" in
any particular company, because it all depends on what you want to
do in that company that determines what degree you need.
If you're looking at the tip-top of an organization, it's Chief Officer positions, (and this applies to any, not just airlines) you're going to have a CEO, they can come from any department, but Marketing is probably the most prevalent thesedays. A CFO, they're going to have a Finance degree. A COO (Chief Operations Officer), they could have any sort of degree, but likely something Logistics, Operations Management, or similar; in the aviation industry Aeronautical Engineering degrees are common across all departments. A CMO (Chief Marketing Officer), they're likely going to have a Marketing degree. A CIO (Chief Information Officer) is likely going to have a Computer Science, BCIS, or other related degree.
In the past years, a growing number of schools in the US have begun to offer programs specifically targetted towards the aviation industry. While in decades past many in the industry had Aeronautical Engineering degrees (perhaps one reason why so many airlines don't do well as
businesses), there are now programs targetted specifically towards the business of aviation -- there are Aviation Management, Aviation Logistics, and some just called "Aviation".
But those may not be at all relevant to what you want to
do with an airline. If you want to do Finance work, a Finance degree is going to be infinitely more useful than any Aviation-related one. If you want to do engineering-type work, you're going to need an Aeronautical Engineering degree. If you want to do Marketing stuff, you'll need a Marketing degree. Human Resources, an Organization Behavior degree. Route Planning could be Marketing, Logistics, even Operations Research.
You don't have to be a degree holder to become CEO.
Quote from: GDK on June 07, 2010, 06:18:39 AM
You don't have to be a degree holder to become CEO.
No, you don't
have to, but the chances thesedays are about as close to zero as one can get. At least not without starting your
own company anyway -- there isn't a
single Fortune 500 CEO that doesn't have a college degree sans a couple that started the company themselves. I'm assuming Seattle's talking about
major national/international airlines, not 3-plane charter operations.
Most major companies thesedays won't even promote beyond Senior Manager/Director-level position without a college degree, let alone higher than that.
A degree is important for employees but not employers. The important thing is you must have enough fund to start a business. And in order to get this fund, you will need to live some years as an employee and that is where your degree needed.
But if you are just like Tony Fernandes who bought an airline with only RM1(0.26USD) and started his CEO life, then you might not need the degree. Once you managed to get your company survives, people will say you are genius and universities will start giving you honorary degrees.
Thank you Sigma for your answer. Explains alot. :)
Fly A300 and A310's ;)
My dad is FO in the A300 and A310 for FedEx if that counts. FedEx isn't hurting financial wise, but I don't know if you can call that an airline.
Ramp in Denver
I help to bring in technology to automate (and replace people) manufacturing wings for a large European commercial aircraft manufacturer... ;)
Quote from: broadbander on June 08, 2010, 06:36:54 PM
I help to bring in technology to automate (and replace people)
man you suck...... :( ;D just kidding. I'm hoping for a job at Porter first, followed by Air Canada. 8)