What it the largest airline that anyone is aware of having failed in AirwaySim (with regard to weekly income).
I have an airline bringing in $35m/week which is on life support at the moment... its pretty touch and go.
Is it common to have larger airlines fall apart over time...?
What do you mean exactly? How is your airline making 35 million a week and suffering at the same time?
I remember an airline based at JFK about a year ago in the first Air Travel Boom game who had about 400 planes and when he disappeared a lot of new 777s appeared on the used market.
well I had a game a while ago that was $200 million in the hole by the time the game ended. :P I don't know why it survived, but I guess the bank gave me a break because it was close to the end of the world. ;D
Cheers,
ICEcold
Sorry - what I meant was revenue of $35million coming in (costs are simply greater)... so net loss each week (actually break even each week, but then maintenance costs pushing me further and further under)
The phrase "Magic Carpet Muscat" comes to mind ;D
Kaz Air burned out pretty spectacularly in the MT2 game. I had more than 200 planes. No. 4-5 in rank pretty consistently.
Hum, should I bankrupt my airline in EU2 to "win" this "contest"? ;D
In Euro Challenge #2 there were some airlines with ~140 aircraft that disappeared, but I think most of them are closed down manually to start a new game.
It's extremely common for the largest airlines in the game to eventually come crashing down.
So I'd have no doubt that the "largest bankruptcy" has been an airline valued well north of $30B.
Quote from: Sigma on May 20, 2010, 12:52:15 AM
It's extremely common for the largest airlines in the game to eventually come crashing down.
So I'd have no doubt that the "largest bankruptcy" has been an airline valued well north of $30B.
*coughs* curse...... ;D
17.5B + 15B (calculation on current income).... >30B... OH NO :'(
Edit:
After this shock I had to buy 15 new A321-200 with IAE V2533-A5.... ;)
I can't recall the "largest" airline to BK. So many of them die off...
I can say the biggest airline I've died with was back in beta2. Texas Airways.. was once the 2nd largest airline in just about everything. Right behind my good friend Wparoubek (Air Holland). I eventually died because of high fuel, poor fleet common and many years of "warring" with other airlines... I think everyone in Beta was happy to see the name go down in flames. lol!!!
I killed so many airlines back then.. ah.. the good 'ol days of unregulated AWS... Much different then today's AWS.. ;)
- Talentz
I had over 500 aircrafts in Dallas and I lost that game.
Oh yeah.. I remember seeing that and thinking "wtf"?
Who was it that you lost too... I want to play against that person 8)
-Talentz
Quote from: Talentz on May 20, 2010, 08:09:34 AM
Who was it that you lost too... I want to play against that person 8)
Isuzu777. He is often based in Dallas with his Sonata Airlines.
Yes. Sonata is tough.
Global Airways at MAD was pretty big and has shut up shop
I think, because work is getting to much, many people close their airlines... I had to do that twice, with both times about 250 planes from LHR...
Most of us have a job/school next to this game... so that is why such a big airline gets uncomfortable.
good luck to all the giants (where to I cound myself.. ;D :P)
Jona L.
Hey all :)
I didn't know where to post this; but I thought it had some relevance to this topic haha.
My airline isnt big at all. It was extremely hard to get aircraft and so slowly slowly I started to get them. I am under a big "whaaaaaaaaa?!?!?!" bubble right now. See, my airline was making $700,000 - $1,000,000 a week in profit. It made me happy even though it isn't the biggest :laugh:
I have this 16 yr old 747-300 that went into it's D Check. This of course cost me about 10 million dollars... but I found it to be okay... Ii was just going to have to wait until it got out of it to see good profit numbers. I was only getting about $40,000 - $100,000 a week because i was paying for all my staff still and marketing and loan payments etc. I waited a while until this D Check had finished. Once it did I was happy... ready to see more profit... but I never did. It has continued to stay in the red; every week. And it's REALLY annoying me because I do not know what happened and since I don't know... I can't do anything!
:laugh: Are there any suggestions of where I could possibly look to see what is going on or what I could do to change all this? It's just so weird to me. It's like one minute I was making money, lost it due to maintenance, when things got back to normal my money suffered for some reason? :laugh:
Thanks :)
Maybe you have new competition on the routes?
Quote from: Jona L. on May 21, 2010, 11:56:39 PM
Most of us have a job/school next to this game...
Haha, Real Life is only a rumor!
There is no life outside of ASW >:(
Less successful players always blame real life. Most of the time its really about too heavy expansion or just awful decisions. Play this game right and you can go on vacation for weeks and just get back to it with a bigger account than before and that is without hiding from competition in some obscure airport without competition.
Quote from: lilius on May 22, 2010, 02:52:46 PM
Less successful players always blame real life. Most of the time its really about too heavy expansion or just awful decisions. Play this game right and you can go on vacation for weeks and just get back to it with a bigger account than before and that is without hiding from competition in some obscure airport without competition.
I don't think that was Jona's point. But rather that, eventually an airline reaches a size where it requires too much time doing not-so-fun things that it quickly becomes more trouble than it's worth to many people and they just let it die.
I see it every single game. Most of the top airlines at 50% will be gone by the end of the game. Not because of some sort of "bad decisions", by that point they've got so much cash in the bank that there are no "bad decisions" that could really affect them. Most will be completely profitable right up to the point they disappear. They either get bored with being so huge and having so much money that the game is no longer particularly important so at some point they just click Bankruptcy, or so bored with being invincibly large that they simply no longer log-in and their airline eventually succumbs to lack of pricing updates and poor fleet maintenance (which can take many, many real weeks) or they get so bored that the work required to keep it even stable is simply no fun -- i.e. updating the schedules of 200 737-500s that you upgraded to 737-800s, requiring manually updating up to a
thousand routes. It's often manageable if people log-on frequently, but as soon as they don't check in for a few days, then log-on to find 20 planes waiting to be rescheduled, they simply give it up because it's no fun.
I usually have big airlines and do not get bored. I follow a strategy since the beginning and if i know i am using a particular kind of plane that is going to be replaced by a larger one somewhere in time, the turnaround times will be scheduled according to the bigger plane. Yes that costs me money but it is negligible and allows the replacement without fuss.
Sigma >> Definately, I should have said "almost" always because I know that exists. I still dont believe excess of cash or lazyness to make a fleet change is a factor in the majority of the bankruptcies.
Jest >> I work the same. Keeping standard turnarounds works well. Also in Air Travel Boom, you can easily use the same fleet from the beginning all the way out of 2020 all you have to do is to renew.
For small airlines, most of them die because of the impatience of the player. Too eager to expand their fleet or accidentally get some Russian planes... But for big airlines, it is just like what sigma told.
For me, I just left when I saw my fleet of Airbus + Boeing + Tupolev lost $40m in 48 hours when the fuel price changes.