I have not seen Mirabel in any of the game worlds I have played, is this just due to a lack of info for it or might it be an oversight?
I would prefer we not have it. It was only open 20 years.
If we modeled it, YMX would have no transborder demand and domestic demand only to YYZ, YOW, and YQB. Additionally, all the YUL international demand would go away in 1975. Would make an airline based at YUL unable to have international flights and an airline based at YMX unable to have domestic except to the three cities I mentioned.
CYMX was a disaster for Canada, Quebec and Montreal. Let's pretend it never existed.
I agree with you VERY much ekaneti. ;)
Quote from: ekaneti on May 16, 2010, 11:58:38 PM
CYMX was a disaster for Canada, Quebec and Montreal. Let's pretend it never existed.
So true. It would just create chaos if its put into the game.
I agree that it was a disaster, and the problem you point out with international demand moving is the liely reason that it is not modelled as any airline with both international and domestic in montreal at the time of opening would move and loose domestic demand, but it could work in 1.2 as a 2nd/3rd base in the right time period.
It was a boondoggle that never profited. Good looking airport, but I believe it was just too far from town, and carriers wanted Dorval back. Trust us, you don't need nor want YMX. :)
I read the history of the airport. YIKES! Epic fail by the Quebecois.
Epic failure, yes, but there were many reasons for that. Swiftus has read the history and has probablyread some of the reasons given. The distance from Montreal was not really a factor as Mirabel is 10km closer to Montreal than Gatwick is to London, the difference there would seem to be the high speed rail link at LGW. A rail link was planned for YMX and the station area was constructed below the terminal/parking garage. If the rail link had been built many suggest that Dorval/Trudeau would have been closed as scheduled and Mirabel would have had at least 1 more of the 6 planned terminals builtto accomadate domestic service. Road links that were panned were also not fully completed to both Montreal and Hull(Gatineau)/Ottawa further rstricting access.
The main reason for the lack of the completion of this infrastructure was the power struggle of federal and provincial politics as has been the case for many Canadian projects.
Sounds like they tried to do what London is failing at utterly. They wanted to build one airport for all the regional travel. But, to do so, they had to build it far away from town. However, with inadequate transportation, it was a failure utterly.
London, honestly. You need to have a final once-and-for-all sit down with all parties and just open one or two mega airports already. Most of the airports are not in the greatest of shape and can't expand due to crazy laws.
For instance, LHR has the two runways that are 3901 and 3660m... Heck, Detroit Metro has 6 runways ranging from 2591m to 3659m... 35.1 million people traveled through Metro compared to 66.0 million in London.
Pull a Tokyo and build a Narita of your own. Relegate Heathrow, Stansted and Gatwick to non long haul. Built a TGV (dont know what the Brit equivalent is) that links the airport to the city. Narita is 57.5km from downtown Tokyo.
There was until recently a third runway which was proposed to be built at Heathrow with various other expansion projects at several London airports but now we have a lousy Conservative-Liberal government which has made clear there will be no airport expansion in this country for the foreseeable future, despite the fact that we are desperate for it. Oh, and the best bit - the Government's solution to the capacity crisis at Heathrow, the world's busiest international airport, where we are gagging for more capability to serve international destinations? Build a high speed domestic railway linking Heathrow to a few select British cities... :-\
Oh, and there were plans conjured up by Boris Johnson of all people to build an airport in the Thames Estuary but it's not viable when the UK economy is so fragile.
London Heathrow is a nightmare and scrapping the plans for the 3rd runway will be the final nail in it's coffin.
The rail link idea, while it will not solve the problems, would alleviate them slightly. If you remove the need for frequent flights to MAN, EDI and GLA for connections, that would free up a considerable number of slots for international/long haul flights.
Quote from: swiftus27 on May 17, 2010, 06:23:39 PM
For instance, LHR has the two runways that are 3901 and 3660m... Heck, Detroit Metro has 6 runways ranging from 2591m to 3659m... 35.1 million people traveled through Metro compared to 66.0 million in London.
Pull a Tokyo and build a Narita of your own. Relegate Heathrow, Stansted and Gatwick to non long haul. Built a TGV (dont know what the Brit equivalent is) that links the airport to the city. Narita is 57.5km from downtown Tokyo.
Simply quoting the number of runways doesn't necessarily represent the situation fairly... those six runways at DTW (and at AMS, JFK etc) cannot all be used at the same time as several of them cross each other and the wind direction dictates which two or three runways are used. London has two parallel runways which are both used all of the time. The third would have also been parallel if the plans hadn't been ditched.
Also, London Gatwick, which is the World's busiest single runway airport, handles over 30m passengers with it's single runway. We Brits could never be accused of using our existing runways inefficiently ;D
In my opinion, building a new state of the art multi-runway airport (with maybe 4 parallel runways like CDG) to completely replace LHR would be the best option.... but the problem is there is nowhere to build it. The Thames estuary idea is not so great as it would suffer greatly from fog and not to mention that even a small rise in sea levels may turn the new airport into the World's largest sea plane airport ;D
SE England is one of the most densely populated areas in Europe so finding space for anything so big is a massive challenge and will inevitably pi*s off a lot of people when you tell them you are going to knock down their town.
Quote from: CutchieOh, and the best bit - the Government's solution to the capacity crisis at Heathrow, the world's busiest international airport, where we are gagging for more capability to serve international destinations? Build a high speed domestic railway linking Heathrow to a few select British cities...
Well... High Speed 2 as we call it is being build to release pressure on the West Coast Main Line as it will be saturated in the next decade with no more space for any new train and no space to handle trains running more then 4 minutes late. So they simply have no choice. As regarding the Heathrow stop, that one will release pressure from Heathrow slots as there will most likely be a ban on domestic flights within the UK to and from destinations served by High speed rail which have a direct connection to Heathrow.
Served by High Speed 2:Glasgow
Edinburgh
Manchester
Liverpool
Brum
Coventry
Leeds
http://www.hs2.org.uk/The average delay per pax at LHR at this moment is 21 minutes... with slots released this will shrink to an average of 12 minutes. These figures can be found in the documentation published by Greengauge21 "The Heathrow opportunity"
http://www.greengauge21.net/And then we still have Airtrack to connect the Southwest to Heathrow
http://www.airtrack.org/index.htm
The supposed reason that LHR closes was that the runway faces the city of London and Her Majesty. They are desperate for more lengthy runways to add a ton to the airport's capacity. With all of the planes arriving and departing the whole city of London and its many airports is a nightmare to control. With fewer airports, inbound and outbound traffic will be much more streamlined. Again, this is why Narita and Haneda are such perfect compliments.
I like the idea of using the estuary. At that point planes will be autolanding in CATIIIB conditions on their own. Let the fog roll in.
Also, I understand not all runways face one way and often intersect. I know of only a couple of airports off-hand that have three in the same direction being used at one time. I think Schiphol is one of them now with that one runway way off now that 36L/18R was done... God I hate taxiing out to that runway in FSX.... damn those Dutch ATC controllers.
Hey... mind your words.
Anyway... I am thinking in becoming a Aviosim.org volunteer at the Aviodrome museum at Lelystad Airport (EHLE) which is 20 Km from my house. They run a IVAO server and have a FS2004 + NL2000 Fokker100 cockpit
All is in the movie... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAtJcXfyRyc&feature=fvw
Quote from: Maarten Otto on May 17, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
Hey... mind your words.
Anyway... I am thinking in becoming a Aviosim.org volunteer at the Aviodrome museum at Lelystad Airport (EHLE) which is 20 Km from my house. They run a IVAO server and have a FS2004 + NL2000 Fokker100 cockpit
All is in the movie... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAtJcXfyRyc&feature=fvw
I dont hate them, I just hate getting my IFR clearance from that runway because I know it will take me 30 minutes to taxi there.
Hence why they want to build a second terminal building near there.
Quote from: Maarten Otto on May 17, 2010, 08:40:49 PM
Hence why they want to build a second terminal building near there.
i think that would be news to everyone but Dutch citizens. :P
Latest development is that LCC are being transferred (partially) from EHAM to EHLE. That means Ryan air and some others will serve Amsterdam in a few years time.
A speed bus link between Lelystad Airport terminal and Lelystad-Zuid Rail station is planned. Four trains per hour will connect both airports with each other via Amsterdam. Airport to Airport would take a little over one hour dependent on route (Via Amsterdam South it is 15 minutes faster).
Quote from: Maarten Otto on May 19, 2010, 06:53:03 AMA speed bus link between Lelystad Airport terminal and Lelystad-Zuid Rail station is planned. Four trains per hour will connect both airports with each other via Amsterdam. Airport to Airport would take a little over one hour dependent on route (Via Amsterdam South it is 15 minutes faster).
rail man knows EVERYTHING about the current situation. ;D