Like topic says.. Any feedback after using it for a week or so?
(to read what all was changed check the AWS 1.1 updates (https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,6064.msg32341.html#msg32341) topic)
I think it's great. The only thing I wondered was, whether canceled order slots could be given back to public, like in real life. But this has been already discussed I think.
Denis
So far so good,
The game isnt saturated yet, so we'll see how the new functionality works with regards to competition. Does the slow build up eliminate the ability of some airlines to grow quickly and does the new functionality actually increase or reduce competition? So the jury is really still out
I really think it's an improvement to the game. Spread out a lot more giving others a good chance of getting an order of 1 plane cramped between the big orders.
Really good...
I'm still a bit hesitant about the aircraft production lines being closed when there are no orders but I'll wait and see how it happens.
I think it's great that once a production line is announced to be closed, you can set it back to 'normal', by placing a big order. That is how it should be. Imagine me without my beloved Saab2000...
Denis
Sami,
Why that when we order a new plane and slots above us are free but we still end up getting slots way down. Why cant we get earlier slots.
Its a bit silly that production is empty and we still have to wait for arnd 6 months or so. Any chance of sorting this out, where we can try to get earlier slots.
Also too many players in the game and not enough used aircrafts in the system.
New ordering systems is great other than that.
VJC
The idea of the spacing between the production slots is to disable those airlines that generate profit very fast at the beginning to monopolically block the order list of a specific plane, hence, gaining a competitive advantage. This way, also the smaller airlines have a chance to get an a/c in a normal time. It leads to a more leveled playing field.
Denis
Quote from: V.Castelino on August 08, 2009, 12:00:21 PM
Why that when we order a new plane and slots above us are free but we still end up getting slots way down. Why cant we get earlier slots.
Manufacturers do not build planes to storage just in case someone buys them (thus it will not be changed). It always takes 2-4 months to build it.
new production slot system is great, no worries for us smaller airlines having to wait too long for single orders.
big thumbs up from me sami. ;D
Quote from: DenisG on August 08, 2009, 11:54:27 AM
I think it's great that once a production line is announced to be closed, you can set it back to 'normal', by placing a big order. That is how it should be. Imagine me without my beloved Saab2000...
Denis
Nobody orders an Ilyushin 96 and by the time I have the money to order one, the line is closed. Same with some other planes. By the time somebody wants a plane, the line could be closed. Another example....
The Tupolev 204/214 for me is a great alternative for some Airbus and Boeing things... nobody orders them for whatever reason and by the time I need them and can buy them, the line is closed and you're stuck with the HUGE waiting times for Airbus and Boeings.
So yes on one side it's okay and nice but on the other it's a little strange.
Quote from: sami on August 08, 2009, 01:02:43 PM
It always takes 2-4 months to build it.
yes 2-4 months so why cant we get it in 2 months??? even when the production line is empty wait is almost 5 to 6 mnths, that my question Sami, other than that great work with the new thinge.
VJC
Quote from: V.Castelino on August 08, 2009, 03:39:43 PM
yes 2-4 months so why cant we get it in 2 months??? even when the production line is empty wait is almost 5 to 6 mnths, that my question Sami, other than that great work with the new thinge.
VJC
Do you mean your FIRST plane is delivered out 5-6 months later, or that
some in your order are?
some in my order are, well i ordered 2 first and first deliveries were after 5 mnths i think :( , wats the point ordering even when line is empty it takes 4-5 mnths. 2 to 3 months is acceptable, well more 2 :)
Also the gap between my order and the one other airline was around a week. no one around and still the wait hmmm :o
VJC
Airbus is build by French dear... they are sloths.... They weld a piece, then a have a drink, then weld another piece then have a baguette, then drink some more... after 10 pieces they are drunk and can't work anymore...
Same with Americans only they don't eat baguettes but burgers obviously and cheap beer instead of wine..
We Russians however, work hard even while drunk.... so always buy Russian planes if you don't like long waiting lines..
yeah - other day in game = ATB2 i think - i ordered the new plane but its was too long - there was space between now to my order - its really no point having so much empty slots
maybe a factory order that sends planes to storages - then later people get it - for example few plane storaged at factory eg 3 small plane or 1 plane
Quote from: V.Castelino on August 08, 2009, 06:49:41 PM
some in my order are, well i ordered 2 first and first deliveries were after 5 mnths i think :( , wats the point ordering even when line is empty it takes 4-5 mnths. 2 to 3 months is acceptable, well more 2
Please read what I just wrote before.
Buying a Russian-built plane would be the dumbest thing to do. All of your planes are built from stolen blueprints from the west which your brilliant scientists somehow managed to reverse-engineer into something Boeing never invisioned in their worst nightmare. Sort of like tricking out a Mercedes with pimp spokes...it must make the designers go ape!
It's funny that you keep mentioning burgers. Watch yourselves...McDonald's is taking over Russian stomachs.
It used to be the only thing Russian worth buying was the vodka..... but now so many other countries make better stuff
Man, you guys must be really bored living out your intercultural humours... :(
Quote from: jamboy2378 on August 08, 2009, 07:48:32 PM
Buying a Russian-built plane would be the dumbest thing to do. All of your planes are built from stolen blueprints from the west which your brilliant scientists somehow managed to reverse-engineer into something Boeing never invisioned in their worst nightmare. Sort of like tricking out a Mercedes with pimp spokes...it must make the designers go ape!
It's funny that you keep mentioning burgers. Watch yourselves...McDonald's is taking over Russian stomachs.
It used to be the only thing Russian worth buying was the vodka..... but now so many other countries make better stuff
btw mate u confusing china to Russia???? They know what they make and they make it well I MEAN REALLY WELL. regarding Vodka, No one makes better than Russians do . But when it comes to Beer there soo many countries make better than BUD. Belive me they do.
So relax, have BUD and enjoy while we enjoy a nice Russian shot of Vodka. Cheers Dasha :)
VJC
I agree. You could probably home-brew stuff better than Bud.
Wrong analogies, it's called bourbon. With a nice cigar from the Dominican Republic (damn you Kennedy) while listening to British eye-fi. It's good to be multi-cultural.
By the way upcoming slots are empty because no one ordered last month or the month before. Good system so far.
I agree... I like the new system.
And BUD is only consumed by the unwashed masses, or those who have no other choice. :P For me, I'll take an Okocim (Poland, who also make a pretty good Vodka), or a Karjala (Finland, who ALSO make a damn good Vodka), or a Speight's (New Zealand, who don't make a damn good Vodka, but they do work pretty well while drunk). :laugh:
So don't be hatin' on us Americans just because we can't keep the most ignorant amongst us off the television... :D Most of us are well-read, well-cultured people.
Oh, and Dominican cigars are nice (Arturo Fuente), but Nicaraguan (Drew Estate) and Costa Rican cigars (Vega, or the little family shoppes in Ybor City, Tampa) are true gems...
Quote from: bigdogshark62 on August 09, 2009, 09:17:52 PM
Karjala (Finland, who ALSO make a damn good Vodka)
Karhu is much better.
how did this go from ac ordering system to who makes the best beverages :P
I do think that the 10-month limit on order changes is a bit excessive. Engines I can see requiring that much lead, since they have to be ordered as well, and MTOW should require at least 3-5mo lead to allow for engineering changes, but things like seating configuration and financing should be flexible up until maybe 1 month before delivery, possibly with an additional fee tacked on for changing the order.
Also, with regard to production slots, I think the best solution would be for the system to jump to the next occupied slot any time there's a gap. This would allow smaller airlines' orders to get mixed in fairly with the big boys, but wouldn't unnecessarily slow the production line. It would be more realistic as well. Think about it, if Boeing doesn't have an order due for a particular aircraft on a particular date, they're not just going to let the production line sit idle, they're going to move on to the next order on their list.
I agree with last post. But new system is really good, thanks for great job, sami :)
Now I have about 30 aircraft on order and I really like how the deliveries are automatically spread out over a year even though I made the order in 2 batches. No more C check season, this makes the heavy checks much more manageable.
Hi there @all,
the new ordering system is really good - but right now I `m wondering about this:
In the actual ATB is one of the newest airline press releases: Boeing is about to close the 767-200
lines? How could it be with over 320 orders - an closed year or better a full ordered year 1997 - an the same
on the half of 1998?
greetings ;)
Quote from: LAS on August 15, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
In the actual ATB is one of the newest airline press releases: Boeing is about to close the 767-200
lines? How could it be with over 320 orders - an closed year or better a full ordered year 1997 - an the same
on the half of 1998?
Maybe it is just related to the 767-200. There are a lot of other models of the 767 to order (-200ER, -300, -300ER, -400).
Quote from: bleedfax18 on August 15, 2009, 02:22:08 PM
Maybe it is just related to the 767-200. There are a lot of other models of the 767 to order (-200ER, -300, -300ER, -400).
Could be - I even thought so - but I was wondering about the the part of the release:, production line
s?
???
I'm like the only one ordering the Fokker 100s and would like my orders to be moved up.
There should be a feature were it will be moved down if more orders come in.
Does anyone know what the threshold is for when a manufacturer says it's closing the production line of an aircraft in 6 months? How many orders does it need to stay open?
if closure is announced it was something around 20-40 pending orders to change it back to normal status.
:o
Massive fail. Why do people order the less fuel efficient versions of the aircraft and cause the most fuel efficient version that I've ordered to go into production line closure. :'(
Quote from: FatMikel on August 16, 2009, 03:33:03 PM
:o
Massive fail. Why do people order the less fuel efficient versions of the aircraft and cause the most fuel efficient version that I've ordered to go into production line closure. :'(
there is a certain point where seats + range benefits outnumber fuel efficiency
Quote from: Unbornio on August 16, 2009, 04:59:44 PM
there is a certain point where seats + range benefits outnumber fuel efficiency
Not when they're all the same capacity and each have the +MTOW options. The only reason is cost and they're near enough the same price.