AirwaySim

Similar to the other polling threads. What's your favourite alliance? Mine is of course, oneworld. IMHO, Star Alliance is simply too big and soon, may even collapse due to too much inter-alliance competition. Nearly every European country has a *Alliance member with oneworld concentrating on one carrier per region. Then there's Skyteam, each alliance member is gobbling one another, e.g. Air France/KLM, Delta/NWA.

oneworld ALL THE WAY! :)

Quality > Quantity. ;)

I'm gonna get flamed for that but it's my opinion. :) I LIKE American Airlines. :)

Quote from: Brockster on June 13, 2009, 08:07:06 AM
oneworld ALL THE WAY! :)

Quality > Quantity. ;)

I'm gonna get flamed for that but it's my opinion. :) I LIKE American Airlines. :)

me too....AA kinda rocks!! i still remember how i found out about airline alliances and oneworld. When checking in at Boston, I saw a blue circle next to the American Eagle logo then I searched oneworld on google after arriving in Hong Kong. Yep, the golden days.

oneworld revolves around you.

This thread is made by a biased pro-oneworld supporter.  ::)

Quote from: toyotaboy95 on June 13, 2009, 07:12:53 AM
Similar to the other polling threads. What's your favourite alliance? Mine is of course, oneworld. IMHO, Star Alliance is simply too big and soon, may even collapse due to too much inter-alliance competition. Nearly every European country has a *Alliance member with oneworld concentrating on one carrier per region. Then there's Skyteam, each alliance member is gobbling one another, e.g. Air France/KLM, Delta/NWA.

Fair points, Star Alliance does seem willing to accept anything that flies, but they have managed to get many of the worlds best airlines on board with them.
FYI, NWA weren't a sky team member before the merger, and Air France-KLM are one airline, so that point is fairly redundant.

My choice would be skyteam.... because they have the best livery! (I know, very shallow!)  :laugh:

Star Alliance livery:  :-\
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6310846 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6310846)

OneWorld livery:  :'(
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6578379&nseq=4 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6578379&nseq=4)

SkyTeam livery:  8)
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6577900&nseq=3 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6577900&nseq=3)

My vote was for SkyTeam, too...  But then again, I'm a biased pro-SkyTeam supporter...   ;)

bds62
Delta Platinum/SkyTeam Elite since 2004

Star Alliance all the way. I can go anywhere in the world and earn miles. I am with Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus Program. It has to be one of the best value programs out there.

I had considered one world, but the only airline in their alliance that has any appeal for me is Cathay Pacific. All the others...hmmm,..well.....lol

I am Australian, but i dont like Qantas, poor service and arrogant and i hate their business practices. British Airways, well too big and crapy service. American Airlines, well i dont want some old silver haired 55+ flight attendant wearing a swatch watch and barking orders at the passengers to serving my chicken or beef!

call me sexist, but "Singapore Girl, a great way to fly"

NicholasB

For a Hungarian who lives and travels in Asia a lot, it has to be Star alliance. Simply because FRA/VIE/ZRH (Lufthansa/Swiss/Austrian) are much closer for business connections, Turkish/Egyptair are the cheapest (and Turkish is actually the fastest) way to travel to Eastern Europe, and of course nothing compares in service to Singapore Airlines (and Asiana/Thai). The alliance is large, and they do compete with each other, but for me, thats the advantage, I'm able to earn miles wherever I am, and I can always choose between 3 types of travel: speed, comfort, and price.

Quote from: Dan380 on June 13, 2009, 12:29:20 PM
My choice would be skyteam.... because they have the best livery! (I know, very shallow!)  :laugh:

For me, I like the Star Alliance livery (wonder why SQ didnt paint one :-\). It's plain and simple. oneworld's sucks in this aspect <= its just plain ugly, i mean "member of oneworld" and they still keep the original airline's tail. hardly devoting to the alliance.

Quote from: pharmy on June 13, 2009, 02:33:23 PM
For a Hungarian who lives and travels in Asia a lot, it has to be Star alliance.......I'm able to earn miles wherever I am, and I can always choose between 3 types of travel: speed, comfort, and price.

I bet if Malev had more flights to Asia, you would choose oneworld ;D. ^I agree with you on those factors. I pick Finnair whenever I can to Europe. I dunno why but they're truly "The fast airline between Asia and Europe". For a Hong Kong-Stockholm trip, its usually 15-18 hours (+ layover) with others while its 12 hours with them. The downside is they're relatively expensive at times. This reminds me, Lufthansa's fuel surcharge is like....so expensive >:( (260USD), i was looking to book with them (low fare) but after adding tax, the 2nd most expensive.

Call me annoying but how can this not look good? It's amazing!
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image38318.html (http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image38318.html)

oneworld turns 10 this year..i think...

I have never heard of the other alliances... :-\

I think the livery of oneworld is shame. The others have the symbol on the tail, but yet again, oneworld's symbol isn't...fantastic...and the two other alliances livery look the same...besides the tail.

Quote from: Dorito_25 on June 14, 2009, 08:13:18 AM
Call me annoying but how can this not look good?

Because it's QANTAS?  ;)  A sardine can with a 'roo on the tail... 

(Even my dear mother, who's just a little thing, felt cramped flying QANTAS from LAX to AKL.)

Quote from: bigdogshark62 on June 14, 2009, 04:28:04 PM
Because it's QANTAS?  ;)  A sardine can with a 'roo on the tail...  

(Even my dear mother, who's just a little thing, felt cramped flying QANTAS from LAX to AKL.)

I've never felt cramped on a Qantas flight...  :-\

Quote from: toyotaboy95 on June 14, 2009, 02:59:11 AM
For me, I like the Star Alliance livery (wonder why SQ didnt paint one :-\).

They did. I have seen one of their 744s in Star Alliance colours. Might have a photo somewhere, but I can't find it right now.

Quote from: Dorito_25 on June 14, 2009, 08:13:18 AM
Call me annoying but how can this not look good? It's amazing!
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image38318.html (http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image38318.html)

All they've done is put titles on it. It's barely an alliance livery! Besides, if you see the BA one I think you might throw up.  :laugh:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6552072&nseq=3 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6552072&nseq=3)

EDIT: Singapore Star Alliance 744:
http://www.photos.aero/photo.php?p=6745 (http://www.photos.aero/photo.php?p=6745)

To all those oneworld fans saying Quality quality.....  S7, (my employer) A Russian airline, is getting ready to join oneworld at an invitation of BA. Since I work at S7 in the PR department, I can tell you that although we fly with those limegreen Boeings and Airbusses, (we recently sold our Tupolev 154 and Il86), the structure behind the scenes is FAR from the quality standard any oneworld member has.

I suspect that the only reason why oneworld invited S7 is because we are the second Russian airline and with Aeroflot being in SkyTeam already, S7 was the fastest and easiest way for oneworld to connect their network to the rapidly expanding Russian market. Which is fine. Brilliant move in my opinion but those quality standards are one very big farce :)

Quote from: Dasha on June 15, 2009, 08:13:34 AM
I can tell you that although we fly with those limegreen Boeings and Airbusses,

i just hate that limegreen livery. way too bright!!! :o

Quote from: Dan380 on June 14, 2009, 05:47:59 PM
EDIT: Singapore Star Alliance 744:
http://www.photos.aero/photo.php?p=6745 (http://www.photos.aero/photo.php?p=6745)

SQ's Star Alliance livery doesnt look like the standard *A one tho. looks like the oneworld one. Also, the STAR ALLIANCE text is smaller than Thai's (https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2330%2F2064040916_5465027861.jpg&hash=06ed6c8167c0717215247e01e354f76d099064ed)

Quote from: Dasha on June 15, 2009, 08:13:34 AM
Brilliant move in my opinion but those quality standards are one very big farce :)

Some would say the same thing about SkyTeam and Korean Air.  I remember there was a BIG outcry about the quality standards and Korean (even though I've flown them a few times, and I liked their service).

Congrats on oneWorld, though...   8)

Quote from: Dasha on June 15, 2009, 08:13:34 AM
To all those oneworld fans saying Quality quality.....  S7, (my employer) A Russian airline, is getting ready to join oneworld at an invitation of BA. Since I work at S7 in the PR department, I can tell you that although we fly with those limegreen Boeings and Airbusses, (we recently sold our Tupolev 154 and Il86), the structure behind the scenes is FAR from the quality standard any oneworld member has.

I suspect that the only reason why oneworld invited S7 is because we are the second Russian airline and with Aeroflot being in SkyTeam already, S7 was the fastest and easiest way for oneworld to connect their network to the rapidly expanding Russian market. Which is fine. Brilliant move in my opinion but those quality standards are one very big farce :)

I flew with them once... I liked it. I didn't think it was that bad at all. PLUS, aren't they ordering the 787? That plane pretty much screams quality. ;)

IF that 787 is ever going to fly S7 gets a few yes. But as I said, the planes are okay and from the outside it might look all nice and all, except for that stupid color.

The structure behind it is wrong and inefficient. Plus the network of us is basically only holiday destinations and a few large airports in western Europe. Nothing really shocking to have in your alliance except the expertise we have being Russia's largest domestic carrier.

As we like to say:

It's a big country. We're it's biggest airline.

I am, and always have been a *A man. BD is my fav European carrier, WW is my fav low cost carrier and AC is my all round fav carrier. Despite its shocking capacity here at BHX (LH to Germany and beyond and BD to Aberdeen), I'm still loyal to *A

Well I'd be flying Star Alliance all the way.

The best Airline One World has is Cathy Pacific and that isn't the top.

Also when did Qantas ever fly Los Angeles to Auckland?

Quote from: 0zlw on October 06, 2009, 06:17:32 AM
Well I'd be flying Star Alliance all the way.

The best Airline One World has is Cathy Pacific and that isn't the top.

Also when did Qantas ever fly Los Angeles to Auckland?

Sorry to correct you but Cathay was voted by Skytrax as the top airline of the world in 2009, above Singapore.

And Qantas has been flying LAX-Auckland for a while now.

Star Alliance ALL the way  :)

None.  Virgin Atlantic always takes me where I need to go... :)

I think SkyTeam is the best, Star Alliance is simply too big and KLM is in SkyTeam.
I also think SkyTeam has the best livery!

I HATE Iberiy, so I HATE One Sky

I LIKE Lufthansa, BA, AF and UA, so I LIKE Star Alliance (got a model plane of a B747-400 (reg. D-ABTH) (http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image36564.html))

Quote from: Jona L. on October 07, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
I HATE Iberiy, so I HATE One Sky

I LIKE Lufthansa, BA, AF and UA, so I LIKE Star Alliance (got a model plane of a B747-400 (reg. D-ABTH) (http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image36564.html))

Iberia is a part of oneworld, not one sky. :P

BA = British Airways, correct? Isn't that also a part of oneworld?

Nice plane btw. :) Which manufacturer is it from? Herpa? Hogan Wings? Jemini?

okay, oneworld, not one sky (looked it up 5times, but everytime read sth. else, and forgot again!! :-[ :-[

well, BA in oneworld??..... okay, glanced at their web site, AF is in SkyTeam :( another miss pull! at least LH, and UA are even founding members of Star Alliance!!
so I must withdraw, the HATE against oneworld, so I only keep HATING Iberia (very bad comfort/service!!)

It's none of them!! It's a boeing!!! ;D ;D ;D

no, just kidding, It's a Herpa! (costed 17,95€ 2yrs ago!!)
It's located just above my desktop on the windowsill, so I look at it every time I look up from AWS!!

Star Alliance - all airlines in Star Alliance I flew with were GREAT. SkyTeam still have some terrible airlines like CSA...

Quote from: Samo on October 07, 2009, 06:39:34 PM
Star Alliance - all airlines in Star Alliance I flew with were GREAT. SkyTeam still have some terrible airlines like CSA...

Dude what is wrong with CSA (if I forget about their financial situation right now)? Since they are our national carrier I flew with them like six or seven times and I was greatly satisfied.

High price, low service, bad cabin crew (I don't need to listen FA saying "Tohle je hrozný" after somebody ask him for another drink).

Quote from: Samo on October 10, 2009, 06:57:27 AM
High price, low service, bad cabin crew (I don't need to listen FA saying "Tohle je hrozný" after somebody ask him for another drink).

High price is right but can't agree with the service and crew. But it really depends on the "luck you have". I was flying with several carriers and I never had any bad experience while I heard people complain about all of them.

Quote from: Yb on October 10, 2009, 10:23:11 AM
High price is right but can't agree with the service and crew. But it really depends on the "luck you have". I was flying with several carriers and I never had any bad experience while I heard people complain about all of them.

Service is poor! Food is terrible, seating too. CC - well, it maybe depends, but generally it's not good...

Compare CSA with Air Berlin or FlyNiki and you found that their prices are not reasonable.

Quote from: Samo on October 10, 2009, 04:48:35 PM
Service is poor! Food is terrible, seating too. CC - well, it maybe depends, but generally it's not good...

Compare CSA with Air Berlin or FlyNiki and you found that their prices are not reasonable.

Food is great and seating? What is wrong with it? :)

Quote from: Dasha on June 15, 2009, 08:13:34 AM
To all those oneworld fans saying Quality quality.....  S7, (my employer) A Russian airline, is getting ready to join oneworld at an invitation of BA. Since I work at S7 in the PR department, I can tell you that although we fly with those limegreen Boeings and Airbusses, (we recently sold our Tupolev 154 and Il86), the structure behind the scenes is FAR from the quality standard any oneworld member has.

I suspect that the only reason why oneworld invited S7 is because we are the second Russian airline and with Aeroflot being in SkyTeam already, S7 was the fastest and easiest way for oneworld to connect their network to the rapidly expanding Russian market. Which is fine. Brilliant move in my opinion but those quality standards are one very big farce :)

Seriously you work in PR?? great way in promoting your airline!!! :laugh:
I guess that Oneworld needs to share it's know how once you get in!!!

Usually favourite airlines= Airline's alliance being chosen.

I do love flying Cathay and since i'm an Asia Miles Member i usually tend to choose oneworld carriers thus making oneworld the perfect alliance.

But at the same time I am member of Air France - KLM flying blue which gives me a lot of miles when travelling around Europe.
AF,KL,AZ.

I'm also member of LH's miles and more. Although i don't like Star Alliances way of accrediting miles with partner airlines it just sucks. Especially if you're a Kris flyer member.

Over all it's comodity that matters. Every alliance has weaknesses but at the same time they are strong in certain areas.

Over all I like Oneworld more coz it covers all the globe, including Australia and South America!!

Quote from: blumage on October 12, 2009, 09:38:50 PM
But at the same time I am member of Air France - KLM flying blue which gives me a lot of miles when travelling around Europe.
AF,KL,AZ.

How is Alitalia? Never heard about their service or quality :)

Quote from: Yb on October 11, 2009, 09:41:08 PM
Food is great and seating? What is wrong with it? :)

Food is great? Seating - did you ever flew OK050 (RIP)? Some of their ATRs have extremly uncomfortable seats too.

Quote from: Samo on October 14, 2009, 06:54:34 AM
Food is great? Seating - did you ever flew OK050 (RIP)? Some of their ATRs have extremly uncomfortable seats too.

Well not really no. But I was thinking you are talking about this ancient plane  ;D  Well yes, OK050 and OK051 were old and I heard a lot about them.
But I never flew with them and as much I can tell from other routes I was always highly satisfied :)

And yes food is great. I always enjoyed it so much especialy when compared to other airlines :)

I don't care aslong as it is on time. Personally I prefere to fly Easyjet. Why should I pay 99 euro's for a BA flight, when I can get the same flight, in the same AC type for a 60% lower fare....

Quote from: Yb on October 14, 2009, 07:03:13 AM
Well not really no. But I was thinking you are talking about this ancient plane  ;D  Well yes, OK050 and OK051 were old and I heard a lot about them.
But I never flew with them and as much I can tell from other routes I was always highly satisfied :)

And yes food is great. I always enjoyed it so much especialy when compared to other airlines :)

You mean that smaaaall sendwich? Sorry, but services are much higher in FlyNiki and fares are much better.

Giving this thread a nice BUMP (and it should be in OT forum, not general), I firmly believe that *A is the best alliance from a consumer point of view. *A status gives far more uniform benifits than the other carriers, and it is big enough that you can travel from and to most places while staying within the alliance.

SkyTeam of course :)

Aeroflot 330 in SkyTeam colors (http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/9/8/1597897.jpg)
KLM 777 in SkyTeam colors (http://nycaviation.com/newspage/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/klm-skyteam-1600.jpg)

Quote from: Ilyushin on July 04, 2011, 08:04:47 AMSkyTeam of course :)

yes, the skyteam livery is far better then the other two, but in terms of service and IFE (on short haul flights), *A is way better ;)

I was a bit amazed that people ranked alliances in terms of their livery... Is that really what you expect from an alliance - a nice logo on the plane/brochure? ;D

From a consumer point of view though, I think Star Alliance is by far the best - no whitespots in geographic coverage, you get very nice privileges once Silver/Gold status, they are generous with miles earning, you can pay with miles both fare and taxes so you do get indeed a "free" ticket. With all that, I geniunely do not care if Sky Team or One World have better graphics, etc...

Quote from: Andriy on July 04, 2011, 07:36:17 PM
I was a bit amazed that people ranked alliances in terms of their livery... Is that really what you expect from an alliance - a nice logo on the plane/brochure? ;D

From a consumer point of view though, I think Star Alliance is by far the best - no whitespots in geographic coverage, you get very nice privileges once Silver/Gold status, they are generous with miles earning, you can pay with miles both fare and taxes so you do get indeed a "free" ticket. With all that, I geniunely do not care if Sky Team or One World have better graphics, etc...

Firstly, OneWorld's livery is awful. It is by far the worst alliance livery.

Star Alliance has a few whitespots - Australia domestic and India domestic come to mind...

Quote from: Dan380 on June 13, 2009, 12:29:20 PM
Fair points, Star Alliance does seem willing to accept anything that flies, but they have managed to get many of the worlds best airlines on board with them.
FYI, NWA weren't a sky team member before the merger, and Air France-KLM are one airline, so that point is fairly redundant.

My choice would be skyteam.... because they have the best livery! (I know, very shallow!)  :laugh:

Star Alliance livery:  :-\
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6310846 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6310846)

OneWorld livery:  :'(
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6578379&nseq=4 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6578379&nseq=4)

SkyTeam livery:  8)
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6577900&nseq=3 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6577900&nseq=3)

lol the same reason for me

Quote from: Dan380 on June 13, 2009, 12:29:20 PM
FYI, NWA weren't a sky team member before the merger, and Air France-KLM are one airline, so that point is fairly redundant.

NWA joined SkyTeam with KLM back in '04

Quote from: Andriy on July 04, 2011, 07:36:17 PM
I was a bit amazed that people ranked alliances in terms of their livery... Is that really what you expect from an alliance - a nice logo on the plane/brochure? ;D

You think that's bad? You've clearly never been involved in trainspotting. Colour, sound, even the colour of the exhaust gases are how trains are ranked...  :-\

Quote from: BobTheCactus on July 04, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
Star Alliance has a few whitespots - Australia domestic and India domestic come to mind...

Incorrect and incorrect come July 31st.

Australia domestic - Tiger Airways Australia is an affiliate member (the Tiger Airways franchise is owned by Singapore Airlines, a full member of Star Alliance since 2000 which means travellers reap the benefits on Tiger Airways Australia as they do on any other Star Alliance flight), and Virgin Australia is also looking at a possibly membership with Star Alliance. Also, Air New Zealand is a full member of Star Alliance and flies some routes in Australia.

India domestic - Air India and it's subsidiaries will become full members of Star Alliance come the end of this month, and the airline is already codesharing with 7 Star Alliance airlines. Also, Jet Airways is set to join when the deal comes together (unknown as to when at this point).

Star Alliance all the way!  8)

Cheers,
ICEcold

Quote from: ICEcold on July 06, 2011, 05:55:30 AM
Incorrect and incorrect come July 31st.

Australia domestic - Tiger Airways Australia is an affiliate member (the Tiger Airways franchise is owned by Singapore Airlines, a full member of Star Alliance since 2000 which means travellers reap the benefits on Tiger Airways Australia as they do on any other Star Alliance flight), and Virgin Australia is also looking at a possibly membership with Star Alliance. Also, Air New Zealand is a full member of Star Alliance and flies some routes in Australia.


India domestic - Air India and it's subsidiaries will become full members of Star Alliance come the end of this month, and the airline is already codesharing with 7 Star Alliance airlines. Also, Jet Airways is set to join when the deal comes together (unknown as to when at this point).

Star Alliance all the way!  8)

Cheers,
ICEcold

Tiger Airways is grounded in Australia right now, so there is very little *A service.

And I know a lot of senior officials at AI (I am Indian after all), and everyone is saying that they won't be able to get their IT systems in place before July 31, which would cause the cancellation of the invitation from Star Alliance. I've heard that if AI doesn't get in, *A will go after 6E and 9W, but for now, that doesn't help.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/07/06/359172/shenzhen-airlines-to-sign-mou-today-to-join-star.html

Hmm, didn't know they were grounded. Wonder what they did. :o And I REALLY hope Air India gets everything in place by July 31st, I want to see them in Star Alliance. :D JAI has already been given the invitation to join, but I'm not sure about IGO.. Also, apparently since the departure of Shanghai Airlines from Star Alliance, Air China has been pressing Shenzhen Airlines to join as a replacement, and it seems they've succeeded (seeing as they are the parent company anyway).

Cheers,
ICEcold

Quote from: ICEcold on July 06, 2011, 07:11:11 PM
Hmm, didn't know they were grounded. Wonder what they did.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/aviation/245123/unsafe-tiger-airways-grounded

They've had numerous safety issues in the past, and this incident (http://www.avherald.com/h?article=43f05054&opt=0) probably prompted the grounding.

Quote from: ICEcold on July 06, 2011, 07:11:11 PMAnd I REALLY hope Air India gets everything in place by July 31st, I want to see them in Star Alliance. :D

I do too, but I don't think it is likely :/

Quote from: ICEcold on July 06, 2011, 07:11:11 PMJAI has already been given the invitation to join, but I'm not sure about IGO..

9W has not been given an invite yet, because of a condition set by the government of India - the only reason that AI was admitted in the first place is because *A members got slots, and they don't want to lose the slots now, so they will abide by the agreement. 9W and 6E will only be invited after the deadline passes, and it usually takes 6 months to a year for an airline to get their systems ready to join.

Quote from: ICEcold on July 06, 2011, 07:11:11 PMAlso, apparently since the departure of Shanghai Airlines from Star Alliance, Air China has been pressing Shenzhen Airlines to join as a replacement, and it seems they've succeeded (seeing as they are the parent company anyway).

Shenzhen looks like a nice enough airline from the pictures, but according to vitongwangki, they are probably photoshopped  :P

Sorry, I didn't mean to say that it was given an physical invitation, more like an invitation to be invited. :P

-ICEcold