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Title: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 09:13:06 AM
Hello Everyone,

I'm thinking about getting a computer to run FSX.  I'm not at all into building computers myself so I would have to buy one fully constructed.

I need to have microsoft office and an operating system, as well as the ability to do normal everyday computer functions (internet etc) so its not just a gaming computer but also one I can do my college work on and do my normal everyday functions

my budget is 500 - 800 GPB POUNDs... and advice would be greatly appreciated :)

Many Thanks,

J.Oates
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Ilyushin on June 22, 2011, 09:26:20 AM
Windows 7 64bit
Intel Core i5 2500 (and fitting motherboard, make sure you have SLI option for dual graphic cards for future upgrading)
nVidia GeForce GTX 560
8GB DDR3 RAM memory
some badass power supply... about 700W will do, I think...

I think it will be within your budget... (monitor excluded)

with this set you have a very decent PC there... :P
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 09:32:48 AM
haha okay but where can I buy it? lol

I'm not good with computers at all...and this will be the first time I buy one with gaming in mind
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Ilyushin on June 22, 2011, 09:34:32 AM
My friend recommended www.newegg.com :)
and then go to the 'build your own' part
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: GEnx on June 22, 2011, 09:35:23 AM
Don't buy NVidia, they're way too noisy, run way too hot and are way too expensive compared to AMD's offerings. Also, 4GB of RAM should be more than fine.

Just look around on the internet for PC's with an Intel Core i5, 4GB of RAM and a Radeon HD6850 (or at least > HD66XX).
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Ilyushin on June 22, 2011, 09:37:34 AM
FSX likes RAM... My Intel Core i7 860 with nVidia 9800 GT and 4 GB DDR3 RAM doesn't even run so smoothly... Besides, 8 GB as opposed to 4 GB isn't even expensive, at all.

Also Quinoky.. those cards you posted aren't very good actually. GTX 560 sure performs way better than those.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: GEnx on June 22, 2011, 09:39:12 AM
That's due in part to your 9800 GT. :P Didn't know FSX sucks up a lot of RAM, though.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 09:39:54 AM
on that newegg.com website i cant find the build your own part...

and is there any other places I can buy these sort of computers?
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Ilyushin on June 22, 2011, 09:40:26 AM
on that newegg.com website i cant find the build your own part...

and is there any other places I can buy these sort of computers?

Scroll down a little, it's in big letters. :P
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: GEnx on June 22, 2011, 09:42:40 AM
on that newegg.com website i cant find the build your own part...

and is there any other places I can buy these sort of computers?

If you want the best value system for your money, building your own by far wins from any other manufacturer. I believe many online computer hardware stores also offer to build your chosen parts into the case for you as a service, so you should definitely look into that.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 09:43:01 AM
ahhh but thats if you want to build it yourself... i want to buy one already built ... i cant build a computer lol
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: GEnx on June 22, 2011, 09:44:54 AM
ahhh but thats if you want to build it yourself... i want to buy one already built ... i cant build a computer lol

That's what I said, some stores will build it for you. :)
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 09:45:41 AM
Yea but is there no where that I can just buy one completely built, no hassle ... just ready to go :(
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: GEnx on June 22, 2011, 09:55:48 AM
Haha, fair enough. Since most manufacturers offer really sh*tty GPU's it's rather hard to find, especially for your budget, but here we go:

http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-8300/fs

This should be able to do the job for your budget.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: GEnx on June 22, 2011, 10:08:37 AM
Also Quinoky.. those cards you posted aren't very good actually. GTX 560 sure performs way better than those.

Sure, but what I'm trying to say is that AMD offers way better value cards. An HD6850 can do a perfectly fine job at running FSX smoothly, even though it is way cheaper.

Also, take a look at this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-3.html
And this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-4.html
And this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-5.html
 
No mention of the GTX 560 and merely one "honorable mention" of an NVidia card. :)
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Dave4468 on June 22, 2011, 10:47:33 AM
ahhh but thats if you want to build it yourself... i want to buy one already built ... i cant build a computer lol

I couldn't either until I built one. I built it two years ago and its still going strong.

Its so so easy, its very modular and as long as you make sure that the stuff you buy is all compatible (and that is only really that the CPU, graphics card and RAM slots on the motherboard are right and the power unit produces enough power) it's easy. It's also cheap, cost me £600 to build one that was built worth (at the time) £1000. I built mine in about two hours and worked on its first boot.

If not try http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=43 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=43), they are nice and powerful.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 10:57:11 AM
Thanks Dave!

How does this one look?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-176-OE&groupid=43&catid=2040&subcat=
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Dave4468 on June 22, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
Also long as you were to never call it by its ridiculous name it wouldn't have any problem with FSX, which bear in mind in 5 years old now.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 11:01:28 AM
Lol yea a bit of a weird name  :P

is there another one you would recommend or should i be fine with this?
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Ilyushin on June 22, 2011, 11:01:55 AM
That's a nice PC, but it only has 500 GB of memory. If you become an active FSX player including mods, your FSX folder alone may reach up to 50 GB, even (mine is 54 GB :-[)
So in the long run you might want to buy some extra memory...

Do keep in mind that that PC has no OS installed yet.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Dave4468 on June 22, 2011, 11:06:13 AM
Lol yea a bit of a weird name  :P

is there another one you would recommend or should i be fine with this?

Anything on that site will handle FSX fine I'd have thought. Do watch out though, some, including that one, are overclocked and aimed at the type of person who sits in a darkened room being an arse on COD so need extra cooling and things and will cost more. It also makes them expensive.

TBH you wouldn't go wrong going to Comet, Currys, PC World or a Maplins if you have one and seeing their high end stuff, they won't be over the top powerful and will sit you in good stead for what you want and might come with their Office bundles or a screen which will be good for your not gaming needs. And they'll come with an OS in the price.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: slither360 on June 22, 2011, 11:08:42 AM

I need to have microsoft office


Why? Don't waste your cash. Use openoffice (http://www.openoffice.org) - it is just as good, free, and it allows you to open and save files in .doc, .xls, etc. as well
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Dave4468 on June 22, 2011, 11:15:27 AM
Why? Don't waste your cash. Use openoffice (http://www.openoffice.org) - it is just as good, free, and it allows you to open and save files in .doc, .xls, etc. as well

No no no no no. OpenOffice is the worst pile of useless rubbish I have ever used. I used it to avoid paying for Office and it was terrible. Last time I looked the interface looked dated. It doesn't have a lot of fairly common fonts. It may save in .doc but it isn't worth it, I opened .doc files from Open Office in Office and the formatting was ruined, the table wizard is useless. The version of Excel and Powerpoint are terrible. When I used it wouldn't save or open .docx files. And their version of Access is entirely incompatible with proper Access.

DO NOT USE OPEN OFFICE. Pay for Office and save yourself a pile of hassle.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: slither360 on June 22, 2011, 11:21:54 AM
No no no no no. OpenOffice is the worst pile of useless rubbish I have ever used. I used it to avoid paying for Office and it was terrible. Last time I looked the interface looked dated. It doesn't have a lot of fairly common fonts. It may save in .doc but it isn't worth it, I opened .doc files from Open Office in Office and the formatting was ruined, the table wizard is useless. The version of Excel and Powerpoint are terrible. When I used it wouldn't save or open .docx files. And their version of Access is entirely incompatible with proper Access.

DO NOT USE OPEN OFFICE. Pay for Office and save yourself a pile of hassle.

It is a bit dated, but nothing you can't fix yourself.
Interface is easy enough, and while it looks dated, it's nothing that makes it worth it to spend cash on office.
Fonts can be downloaded easily, so that isn't really an issue.
Formatting gets ruined, I will admit this.
Their version is Excel is excellent, I use it all the time. I don't have much experience with powerpoint, but it has worked fine for me in the past.
And I don't use Access, so I don't know much about Openoffice' version
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Dave4468 on June 22, 2011, 11:25:24 AM
It is a bit dated, but nothing you can't fix yourself.
Interface is easy enough, and while it looks dated, it's nothing that makes it worth it to spend cash on office.
Fonts can be downloaded easily, so that isn't really an issue.
Formatting gets ruined, I will admit this.
Their version is Excel is excellent, I use it all the time. I don't have much experience with powerpoint, but it has worked fine for me in the past.
And I don't use Access, so I don't know much about Openoffice' version

The main issue was formatting. I found that any Word, Excel and PPTs made in Office were torn apart by OpenOffice and visa versa. It isn't worth the effort. If your school, college or uni uses Office OpenOffice will make your life harder.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Sami on June 22, 2011, 01:16:13 PM
Student license for MS Office is very affordable. Or "business home use" package (or whatever it's called), if your workplace uses MS software. 
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: alexgv1 on June 22, 2011, 01:27:34 PM
Surprised nobody even mentioned hard drive for an FSX build PC. With all the virtual memory it goes into a decent hard drive is important. To be honest it will be hard to make any PC run FSX because it's so resource intensive and poorly optimised.

Jordan. I live in Southampton and am willing to make you the PC if you buy the parts (I will help you choose them) if you are willing to drive or fly to pick up the finished article off me. I have made computers before. If you are heading to Asia any time soon I recommend picking up the components there.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 01:46:36 PM
Well thank you alex :) umm I'm not really planning any trips to asia unfortunately but if you want to use what Ilyushin put down as a sort of base of what I need could you come up with a price on how much it would cost for it all together (excluding monitor have one already)

Heres my E-mail if you want to use that: piperpilot112@yahoo.co.uk
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: alexgv1 on June 22, 2011, 01:49:27 PM
Well thank you alex :) umm I'm not really planning any trips to asia unfortunately but if you want to use what Ilyushin put down as a sort of base of what I need could you come up with a price on how much it would cost for it all together (excluding monitor have one already)

Heres my E-mail if you want to use that: piperpilot112@yahoo.co.uk

If you have an IM we can talk through it (like Facebook chat or Skype or MSN). I can come up with a price quote for some specifications now.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 01:50:29 PM
actually my dad might be heading to asia soon, bangkok in particular would there be things to pick up there as he could pick it up for me
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
yea add me on facebook

http://www.facebook.com/manunitedtillidie
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on June 22, 2011, 01:57:52 PM
anybody else feel free to add me btw :)
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Dave4468 on June 22, 2011, 01:59:01 PM
Just added you (Dave Poynton)
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: MRFREAK on June 23, 2011, 04:33:25 PM
Don't buy NVidia, they're way too noisy, run way too hot and are way too expensive compared to AMD's offerings. Also, 4GB of RAM should be more than fine.

Just look around on the internet for PC's with an Intel Core i5, 4GB of RAM and a Radeon HD6850 (or at least > HD66XX).

ATI makes some good graphic cards. But Nvidia is great aswell. Alot of games aren't compatible with AMD or Intel graphics, so if you want a gamer computer, then don't buy those two.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Dave4468 on June 23, 2011, 05:02:43 PM
I've found nvidea to be the better of the two. In the wars of computing I'm an Intel and nvidea guy.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: GEnx on June 24, 2011, 10:30:03 AM
ATI makes some good graphic cards. But Nvidia is great aswell. Alot of games aren't compatible with AMD or Intel graphics, so if you want a gamer computer, then don't buy those two.

I've found nvidea to be the better of the two. In the wars of computing I'm an Intel and nvidea guy.

I couldn't disagree more. The AMD (formerly ATI) graphics cards are continuously praised by many of the most revered technology websites, the best example being the three links I provided previously (here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-3.html), here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-4.html) and here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-5.html)). NVidia did indeed have an edge over ATI/AMD for a long time in the past, but they have seriously been outcompeted as of late. And I can honestly say that from personal experience, AMD cards are great performers for the best value out there.
Title: Re: FSX Computer advice?
Post by: Frogiton on July 03, 2011, 01:10:21 AM
A little late but I got a great comp from TigerDirect.com for $500.

3.2ghz quadcore Intel processor
4GB RAM
1GB Nvida Video Card
250GB (Barely use any of it with a seemingly endless amound of add-ons)
700w power supply

Works absolutely great for me. I have a lotttt of add-ons and about 50 World of AI Airlines and I can run smoothly on "high" graphics. It does get a little slow at big airports like Atlanta or Chicago (two big airports and intense scenery) but still not choppy.