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Title: Whos's your favourite football (soccer) team
Post by: liverpoolamazing on March 03, 2013, 08:55:35 AM
mine is Liverpool F.C, there the best team in the world.
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Post by: Aerlingus1916 on March 03, 2013, 09:00:15 AM
Man Utd. ;D
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Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on March 03, 2013, 09:27:03 AM
mine is Liverpool F.C, there the best team in the world.

No.  :laugh: :D

Manchester United Football Club.  My whole family line has supported United, in fact I'm the only one not actually born in Manchester but I live there now and it has been a true honour to support this club. 

However I must admit that Manchester United comes second only to my love of flying.  F1 is third :P
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Post by: liverpoolamazing on March 03, 2013, 09:34:46 AM
I knew there would be some man u supporters, but not the first two replies! :o
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Post by: Aerlingus1916 on March 03, 2013, 09:57:48 AM
Well, they are the best team! :P :laugh:
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Post by: alexgv1 on March 03, 2013, 11:17:41 AM
Man Utd.
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Post by: Infinity on March 03, 2013, 11:20:25 AM
Werder Bremen :D
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Post by: mtnlion on March 03, 2013, 01:07:34 PM
HIFK. 3 tier in Finnish Football. For me it's not about the quality of the play, but the feeling that this is "my team" and I can go to see them live whenever they're playing.

But I do follow lots of football from various different countries. Sometimes interesting teams and leagues, sometimes interesting players. Some teams I follow: Urawa Reds from Japan, Hammarby from Sweden, Union Berlin from Germany etc. Of course if there's an interesting game going on, I'll watch it, but I don't really care who wins. Though I usually go for the underdog or home team.
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Post by: brique on March 03, 2013, 01:18:33 PM
Tottenham Hotspur :

After decades of disappointment, it looks like we may have turned the corner and re-discovered the 'Beautiful Game' which once so graced our stadium : well, if not that, beating the Gooners today will suffice...
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Post by: Aerlingus1916 on March 03, 2013, 02:23:29 PM
Spurs are making a HUGE comeback! I have a feeling they'll win against arsenal today.
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Post by: ArcherII on March 03, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
Werder Bremen :D

I'm Argentinian and support Velez, but Die Werderaner is quite close to my heart. Don't ask.
I've also been following BVB recently due to their amazing form. And Gotze. And Reus.
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Post by: Infinity on March 04, 2013, 10:19:32 AM
BVB sucks, but Kloppo, their coach, is cool.
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Post by: MRFREAK on March 04, 2013, 09:19:53 PM
AIK Stockholm! Best team in the whole wide world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_iq8D5kBBo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_iq8D5kBBo)
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Post by: Gleipner on March 04, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
Jumping on the Black-and-Yellow bandwagon here, AIK is my team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrSs453rRr8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrSs453rRr8)
This video is also worth watching. From a game some years ago between the two biggest teams in Stockholm, like il classico if you'd like. A protest against some new rules concerning supporters suggested by the national football association. Don't really like the other team at all but the show is nice. First 10 minuites of the game was played in total silence and second half started with.... well have a look see. :)


Also rather found of Barcelona.
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Post by: MRFREAK on March 05, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
Jumping on the Black-and-Yellow bandwagon here, AIK is my team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrSs453rRr8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrSs453rRr8)
This video is also worth watching. From a game some years ago between the two biggest teams in Stockholm, like il classico if you'd like. A protest against some new rules concerning supporters suggested by the national football association. Don't really like the other team at all but the show is nice. First 10 minuites of the game was played in total silence and second half started with.... well have a look see. :)


Also rather found of Barcelona.


Oh yeah that's an awesome video as well, really get the goosebumps from it. I am also a fan of Viborg FF in Denmark. And I like Liverpool (Premier League), FC Barcelona (La Liga), FC Basel (Switzerland) and JEF United Chiba Ichihara (Japan) as well :D
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Post by: Atlantische Zeiler on March 09, 2013, 08:44:43 PM
Juventus!
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Post by: Curse on March 15, 2013, 03:31:19 AM
Bayern München.
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Post by: Infinity on March 15, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
Bayern München.

How could you.
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Post by: Seattle on March 15, 2013, 09:38:35 AM
Obviously the Seattle Sounders :D

But in terms of teams that actually matter, I've always had a soft spot for Arsenal.
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Post by: mtnlion on March 15, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Obviously the Seattle Sounders :D

But in terms of teams that actually matter, I've always had a soft spot for Arsenal.

Nah, even though I'm from Europe I appreciate Portland Timbers-Seattle Sounders rivalry and the level of passion "soccer" has seen in the Pacific-Northwest. Just earlier this week Sounders Fc scored this beauty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZVu-fOq_dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZVu-fOq_dM) against top Mexican club.

So IMHO Sounders do matter.  :)
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Post by: Curse on March 16, 2013, 04:41:40 PM
How could you.

I like the concept of success.

Not only success in soccer as a game, more the philosophy and the financial health. The whole concept of Bayern München is something I extremely respect and what makes Uli Hoeneß to one of the best managers in the whole country.
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Post by: Dasha on March 16, 2013, 07:49:43 PM
I actually agree with that.

Bayern is a team that have gone big on their own strength. Good, solid policy, whereas most English and Spanish and Italian teams are debt ridden or owned by wealthy people. Same story with most Russian and Ukrainian teams, they're all 'bought together'.

So in terms of that, I really like Bayern as well and Dortmund as well.

My favourite team is Spartak Moscow though. We got the best stadium in the world (Luzhniki) and we used to have a pretty decent coach as well.
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Post by: Seattle on March 17, 2013, 06:13:34 PM
Nah, even though I'm from Europe I appreciate Portland Timbers-Seattle Sounders rivalry and the level of passion "soccer" has seen in the Pacific-Northwest. Just earlier this week Sounders Fc scored this beauty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZVu-fOq_dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZVu-fOq_dM) against top Mexican club.

So IMHO Sounders do matter.  :)

Recognition from a European! We've made it to the big league! ;D

And that was an amazing game! Of course, consistancy problems (like every other sports team in Seattle) are an issue. We ended up tying the Timbers yesterday.  ::)
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Post by: mrose on March 27, 2013, 09:03:47 PM
Manchester United  :)
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Post by: jamier on April 07, 2013, 07:25:35 PM
Leeds United
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Post by: AIRmoe on April 11, 2013, 08:14:53 PM
CHELSEA!!!  ;D
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Post by: SuriProf4 on April 14, 2013, 12:56:24 AM
feijenoord rotterdam

i also like watching fc bayern, eintracht frankfurt, and fc barcelona
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Post by: unsaid on April 18, 2013, 11:05:26 AM
Galatasaray.
It's not over until Galatasaray says "it's over".

We had to come up with this 'cause the team almost never starts good in tournaments. :)
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Post by: [SC] - King Kong on April 18, 2013, 01:08:56 PM
feijenoord rotterdam

i also like watching fc bayern, eintracht frankfurt, and fc barcelona

Well, again no championship for you! ;)

I'm supporting SC Cambuur
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Post by: SuriProf4 on April 18, 2013, 01:31:20 PM
Well, again no championship for you! ;)

I'm supporting SC Cambuur

i know...hopefully second place is reached.

cambuur????? are you serious?   ;D
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Post by: swiftus27 on April 18, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
Question.  Are there salary caps in European football?

Most American sports have them in one form or another to prevent the buying of talent
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Post by: AIRmoe on April 18, 2013, 05:19:12 PM
Question.  Are there salary caps in European football?

Most American sports have them in one form or another to prevent the buying of talent

As of now, there is no such procedure in place, although they are introducing regulations called FFP (Finanacial Fair Play), which basically puts a "cap" on the club's finances in general.
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Post by: SuriProf4 on April 18, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
it isnot necessarily a 'cap'. financial fair play is more towards teams having a large debt, and their ability to keep their finances straight. it doesnot restrict the amount of money teams can spend like american sports.

fc bayern is a good example of a club running good finances. man city, real madrid are good example of clubs running bad finances.

but the 'bypass' to this is having a large sponsor (emirates, ethiad, etc) basically clear the debt for the clubs that are unable to generate the funds to take care of the debt themselves.
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Post by: AIRmoe on April 18, 2013, 06:53:34 PM
This ^ (I admit, I was little lazy in my earlier reply) ... but a correction, Real Madrid are not in a bad financial situation, neither is Man City. Teams that spring to mind with regards to FFP are teams like Malaga, which have been made an example of by UEFA. Teams like PSG, Man City, and Chelsea are safe for now. Other teams that could possibly be in trouble in the near future are teams in massive debt, even with their huge revenue, like Manchester United, and I believe it's only a matter of time before they themselves got a "sugar daddy"! I'm afraid that's pretty much the way forward, even teams like Barca are getting pampered by the Qataris. The only exceptions I see are the German teams, especially Bayern. A lot to admire, and I wish them Champions League success this year.
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Post by: SuriProf4 on April 18, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
maybe bad financial situation is wrong term.......but those two teams donot have the 'best' finances when it comes to the amount of debt they have. i think i saw man city had ~300m in debt at the last winter transfer period and were looking to sell off players and reduce debt before the ffp kicks in.

from a british paper this morning:


Here is the top ten and what they are worth:

1. Real Madrid £2.18billion
 2. Manchester United £2.09billion
 3. Barcelona £1.72billion
 4. Arsenal £880million
 5. Bayern Munich £860million
 6. Ac Milan £624million
 7. Chelsea £595million
 8. Juventus £458million
 9. Manchester City £455million
 10. Liverpool £430million
 
Now here is the debts those teams seem to have:

1. Real Madrid £600million
 2. Manchester United £359.7million
 3. Barcelona £369.5million
 4. Arsenal £104million
 5. Bayern Munich- NO DEBT they have been in profit ever since the 2011-12 season.
 6. AC Milan £298.8million
 7. Chelsea- NO DEBT they made a profit of 1.2million dated April 10th 2013
 8. Juventus £48.65million
 9. Manchester City- NO DEBT but have yet to release their profit margins
 10. Liverpool £237million
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Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on April 18, 2013, 09:00:37 PM
FFP will fix broken teams like Man City and PSG, and hopefully return to the game much needed player development.

As for me...

20 times, and that's a fact!

UNITED!
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Post by: AIRmoe on April 18, 2013, 09:43:13 PM
FFP will fix broken teams like Man City and PSG, and hopefully return to the game much needed player development.

As for me...

20 times, and that's a fact!

UNITED!

Broken teams? ... So going by your own definition, Man U has been broken since the 90s, breaking transfer records and buying everyone! It's a good ol' case here of "if it's us it's fine, if it's someone else then it's wrong"  ::)
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Post by: swiftus27 on April 19, 2013, 01:48:42 AM
Talking USA only for a second.
Only in baseball does one find a semi-equivalent to this in the USA.  If you exceed the "cap" set by the league you pay a massive penalty that actually divided among the teams that don't bust the cap. 
Our American "Football" (of which I am a licensed referee for) has a HARD cap you can not exceed.   It doesn't matter if you are a big market team or small, you get the same from the TV contracts and can only spend so much.   
Basketball has a small "soft" cap and a "hard" cap that a team can not exceed. 

Sorry to have to say this but I am very underimpressed by the European system used for the football leagues.  You can go and 'buy' the talent you want if you have the financial resources to do so.  The Yankees in American Baseball can only do this because they have their own cable network and more (but are now unable to fill the stadium on game day)
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Post by: LemonButt on April 19, 2013, 02:14:42 AM
Sorry to have to say this but I am very underimpressed by the European system used for the football leagues.  You can go and 'buy' the talent you want if you have the financial resources to do so.  The Yankees in American Baseball can only do this because they have their own cable network and more (but are now unable to fill the stadium on game day)

I have a degree in applied mathematics and did a research project on team salary versus wins/performance.  The bottom line is the correlation is so weak that it is impossible for a team to "buy" a championship, although I hate the Yankees with a passion.  In 2012, the Oakland A's won 94 games with a $55 million payroll and the Yankees won 95 games with a $198 million payroll.

When it comes to soccer (European football), I would think it is even harder since it is "more" of a team sport than baseball.  In baseball, you have a batter versus a pitcher.  In soccer, you have a team versus a team.  Therefore, it doesn't matter if you have a $40 million striker if the rest of the team sucks whereas in baseball it doesn't matter if A-Rod makes more than the entire Miami Marlins team because no matter what, only one player can bat at a time.

Do those European football clubs own their own stadiums (which would increase the team value)?  I know when I was in Barcelona there was a $30 charge or something outrageous just to go inside when they weren't even playing.
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Post by: Pilot Oatmeal on April 19, 2013, 07:55:03 AM
Broken teams? ... So going by your own definition, Man U has been broken since the 90s, breaking transfer records and buying everyone! It's a good ol' case here of "if it's us it's fine, if it's someone else then it's wrong"  ::)

Nope... Because Mac City and PSG are clubs with invested money from outside investors, they haven't earnt the money to buy the playes, and in essence buy the premier league last season in Man Cities case.

And Manchester United did earn it, through success and wins after Sir Matt Busby/SAF found football talent, developed, and won with them :).
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Post by: SuriProf4 on April 19, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
i would have to disagree to a point on man u...because they do buy players more than having 'their own' players come up. the difference is man u doesnot spend like man c, chelsea, and others. man u does have financial backing from elsewhere, its just not from the middle east like man c.

i think there should be a ruling (similar to how german league was a few years ago) that limits the number of non-eu players on the field at a time. it should be something like x-number of nationals + y-number of non-nationals + z-number of nationals outside of eu. this would promote clubs to invest more in youth development instead of 'shopping around' for players.
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Post by: cht7520 on April 28, 2013, 02:05:37 PM
Newcastle 0 - 6 Liverpool

Get in!
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Post by: brique on April 28, 2013, 02:19:02 PM
i would have to disagree to a point on man u...because they do buy players more than having 'their own' players come up. the difference is man u doesnot spend like man c, chelsea, and others. man u does have financial backing from elsewhere, its just not from the middle east like man c.

i think there should be a ruling (similar to how german league was a few years ago) that limits the number of non-eu players on the field at a time. it should be something like x-number of nationals + y-number of non-nationals + z-number of nationals outside of eu. this would promote clubs to invest more in youth development instead of 'shopping around' for players.

This is sort of done already : UEFA (Champions League) squads have to have a quota of 'home' players, as do Premier League squads in the UK : unfortunately, the clubs managed to get 'home' defined as any player who was 'schooled' at the club, thus overseas youngsters get 'home' status by going through the clubs academy system. It hasn't helped that much, the big clubs still tend to buy-in overseas talent and their 'home players' warm the benches or get a run-out in in the minor cup games before being loaned or sold on to lower league clubs just to get a game.