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General forum / Re: Suggestions for Starting Fleet in 1955
« Last post by schro on Today at 02:21:16 PM »
So.. it's going to depend on which airport you actually start in and the average length of your routes. STL, for example, is a fairly good location for the less capable props out there, whereas DTW and CLE are a bit far from the left coast to get by.

So, if you're at a centrally located airport, then you can look at props like the F'ing27 or the NAMC which are both quite economical and will give you good coverage. Both are available starting in the late 50's. F27's have cargo variants while the NAMC can take C seats (all Y seats for the F27). Since these are very low cost planes to operate, they're great when you've got 40-50 demand to anywhere you fly - jets get eaten for lunch at that demand level in this era. Of course, you'll have to start with whatever scrap heaps are available when the game world launches until you can do either of these.

Moving to jets can be interesting and it'll really depend on the demand landscape for your HQ/bases. If everything is in the 50ish range when the world launches, then you're probably looking at 70ish by the mid to late 60's, which makes the Caravelle or BAC interesting options along with the DC9 and 737-Jurassic. The advantage to jets is that you can often cover the work of 3-4 props with about 2 jets. I prefer to make this transition as early as possible (which is why you typically see me with the fairly dangerous to fly Comets) as it lets me go ahead and set my "final" short haul schedules for the game very early on.

On the subject of the 727, it's best used when you have a range requirement for it that is beyond what a DC9 or 737 can fly. In the US, that means you're based in Florida, the left coast or the north east. The 721 economics are less than ideal, and the 727-200Adv's economics  are slightly worse per seat than the 737-Jurassic. For Comets, you can make a similar range argument for them - typically the 4/4A/4B/4C are needed to make decent profits, but the 1/2/3's shouldn't be used for longer range flights.

Simon - As for cargo at start, it really depends on the sami-random game settings applied at the start of the game world.
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Announcements - Game World #3 / Pilatus PC-12
« Last post by ReileyMcKendrick on Today at 01:53:34 PM »
5 PC-12's on the used market.  No reasonable offer refused!
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Happy birthday, but what the actual hell? :laugh: The numbers are completely arbitrary and don't make any sense of course, and I was sceptical when 747s were supposed to replaced BACs - but how on earth did you come up with ATRs replacing Concorde and A380? That was hilarious! :laugh:
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Bug reports / Re: Fuel Consumptions seem a bit off
« Last post by MikeS on Today at 01:34:01 PM »
dandan does have a point. I have checked this before. The classic B747 do not consume double the DC10 fuel amount.
Here is an in depth article on classic freighters from 2006:

http://pubdocs.worldbank.org/en/818501436899476698/Air-Transport-Air-Cargo-Ch4.pdf

You can see that a B747-200 consumes on average 13434 liters per hours = 10785 kg/hr which would seem more reasonable.
The analysis also notes that the fuel cost per hour to operate a DC10-30CF is $7.526 vs B747-200 $10.076

Hope this helps to revisit the numbers as the difference it quite huge.

Cheers!

Mike
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General forum / Re: Suggestions for Starting Fleet in 1955
« Last post by deovrat on Today at 01:02:58 PM »
Interesting suggestions by everyone. I wonder if its possible to start a cargo only airline in US from the 50s and survive. I have seen some attempts ranging from decent to abysmal in current GW4, but none have convinced me one way or the other. Obviously such an airline won't achieve any world domination, due to the inherent weaknesses of starting off with cargo and having everyone and their dog overtake you whilst you wait for RI to climb. Maybe something to consider when I am a bit more sober..
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Feature requests / Re: Live Map Showing Your Flights
« Last post by groundbum2 on Today at 11:04:43 AM »
if we're doing VR I'd really like a PRINT button, you know so I could print some $100 bills...


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Feature requests / Re: Live Map Showing Your Flights
« Last post by Zobelle on Today at 10:36:31 AM »
Indeed a cool feature but obviously one would need to be able to add some filters.. (Plane type, origin based, etc)

If all my flights were showing on a map at any given time Id probably break my iPad (small regional airline..)
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Feature requests / Re: Live Map Showing Your Flights
« Last post by groundbum2 on Today at 10:31:11 AM »
this would be awesome. I'd like even better a VR thing where you can jump around the worlds airports and airways and see your planes and competitors coming and going, that would be double awesome!

Simon
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General forum / Re: Suggestions for Starting Fleet in 1955
« Last post by Zobelle on Today at 09:55:16 AM »
How much cargo is there in the 1950s and 60s? If anybody can answer distinguishing between Europe, US and Japan I'd be interested! Apologies my earlier answer on props got truncated, cat decided the keyboard looked comfy....

Simon

Its there but it wont keep the lights on by itself.
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General forum / Re: Suggestions for Starting Fleet in 1955
« Last post by groundbum2 on Today at 09:52:14 AM »
How much cargo is there in the 1950s and 60s? If anybody can answer distinguishing between Europe, US and Japan I'd be interested! Apologies my earlier answer on props got truncated, cat decided the keyboard looked comfy....

Simon
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