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General forums => Announcements => Topic started by: Sami on August 02, 2010, 02:26:55 PM

Title: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 02, 2010, 02:26:55 PM
As posted before AirwaySim will offer a limited private game world for our active users. This is a custom scenario that requires a subscription before the game world starts.


Basic info

The game world will be all about alliances competing against each others as a group. Each alliance can have maximum of 25 members, and minimum of 10 members is required for the alliance to be able to enter to this scenario. If at least 70 members and at least 3 alliances commit to the game world it will be set up.

Game world will consist of North America and Europe due to the overall low player number (other world areas are closed). All airports in these areas are included, as well as all aircraft models. Base airports are allowed as per standard rules (EU openskies comes into force 1.4.97). Planned scenario duration is 1996-2010, equalling about 3 months and two weeks. Credit cost of this game world is the standard weekly payment scheme as in all other worlds.

Alliances in this game world will be "fixed". When you start the airline you will be already a member of the alliance. You also cannot leave the alliance during the game world. Alliance forums will be available to all subscribed members 5-7 days before the game world starts so strategy and starting airports can be planned.

There is also a plan to implement a "airline score" system for this game world to be able to determine the "winning alliance" but this is not yet confirmed.

Estimated time when this world begins is in 10-14 days.



Subscribe

If you are interested in joining this game world you should contact the managing member of your alliance and let him know that you will take part in this game world.

If you are not a member of an alliance please use this thread ( https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,22309.0.html ) to inform your willingness to join an alliance and this game world, or send a forum PM to managers of existing alliances in other game worlds. (Please do not post such requests into this thread to keep this uncluttered)

Alliance managers will then in turn provide the list of subscribed members to us and we will use this list to set up the forums, alliances and game world settings before the game world starts.



Information for alliance managers about delivering the subscription list to us

Each alliance manager must collect a list of members committed to join this game world and then reply to this thread with the list of members in that message (the message / list can be also edited later on before the scenario starts, does not have to be final right away).

This message must contain the following information in the following order (please be sure to type the data as requested, as info will be moved into the scenario settings automatically):

 * Name of the alliance
 * Managing member usernames (max 3)
 * Members, including the managers (max. 25, min. 10)

Format:
-----
Alliance name here
Managers: username1, username2, username3

Members:
userID1, userName1
userID2, userName2
userID3, userName3
...etc.
-----

userID = User ID number of this user, see his forum profile. For example: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=17675    ==>  ID is 17672
userName = this user's username, in previous link that would be LostInBKK


Please type all the managers in one line, comma separated.
Please type all of the members one-per-line!


Real-life example:
-----
The Jet Airline Alliance
Managers: sami, abcuser, userxyz

Members:
1, sami
5483, userxyz
32311, xyzuser
47123, abcuser
-----


(If you have any additional info please post all that before this list, though don't post airline home bases or anything such.)



Please post additional comments / questions into the other thread to keep this thread uncluttered ( https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,22309.0.html ).
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 02, 2010, 03:28:40 PM
Mega Fly Worldwide
Managers: Jona L., lilius, LostInBKK

Members:
14933, Jona L.
8954, lilius
17672, LostInBKK
25034, Jumbo Mouse
23140, JetRush
24335, GMas
4076, bierbrauerm
28625, Robster_9
40155, begla
12719, Maarten Otto
31684, Minerva
19836, 0zlw
38251, mclovin
7529, T8KE0FF
6387, mcvicarj
4405, Sunbao
16387, yuui4
28078, pattN
11168, MunMaRu
9726, Yukis
13219, hong
9950, xlightman
11416, Nick Wood
6880, Pcxc
1358, SheronH

LIST FULL!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: WesternU on August 02, 2010, 06:42:17 PM
GlobalTeam - SkyGroup will be participating with a full 25 member team.

I/We will be posting the required member details shortly.

Update: member list posted under the GlobalSky Alliance Heading.

Thanks Sami!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 02, 2010, 08:46:19 PM
WorldLink

Managers: NorgeFly, Daveos, oggie84

Members:
19373, ChrisA330
12502, rakeish
6853, marc0o0o0o
7342, blaker1984
5324, ICEcold
28716, carrisi
29877, Quinoky
32850, cevelyn
19506, Jason777
4965, Davva9961
6792, Daveos
30244, GoGreenCEO
4663, ukatlantic
22821, infi80
36767, Gez
26759, radjed
24364, Minto Typhoon
10877, Atomico
7957, TFC1
12626, DudeMcDude
12486, coatedmoney
7933, Icelandair0416
9988, NorgeFly
30176, Curse
12129, oggie84
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Talentz on August 03, 2010, 04:06:40 AM
and now batting...


Silver Star Alliance

Managers: Seattle, Talentz, Ile

Members:
44, Ile
313, Byqu
764, Powi
819, Seattle
1002, Runner
2531, wparoubek
2616, Trickster69
2632, Nemo74
2722, Frogiton
2862, Idioteque
2865, Talentz
3245, Ban2
3637, Alien
4095, Kim
4108, Chris
4645, Kieran900
7127, Flaps20
7949, Swiftus27
11338, Ekaneti
11383, Nickhh
14028, Yb
15536, Nonkan
16115, Lurkmat
29858, Luczian
37784, losgatitospeligrosos

Here are my Alliance's 5 reserve players:


294, XiPi
1855, Burgos
24589, Walker
34690, Vpacific



Talentz 8)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: btrain6688 on August 03, 2010, 04:30:13 PM
i will join anyones alliance who will allow me to. just ask and i will be happy to say yes. :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JonesyUK on August 03, 2010, 05:06:21 PM
SkyNet
Managers: JonesyUK, Jest, Sigma

2839, JonesyUK
6993, Jest
10590, Sigma
3613, Chapelhillnews  
10854, Robio
11633, Type45
17616, SAC
7807, Toivoja
32688, Ergunp
12366, JuanchoPancho  
38031, tom14cat14
5752, Mzeeh
22409, unsaid
31616, rangingwarr
25785, michael95u
6801, highways1
31686, Snickers
9687, carloscarlos
15153, porthos81
16972, Wilkesy
5663, Kazari
25785, Michael95u
20179, Jetsgo
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: minerva on August 04, 2010, 01:50:31 PM
Sami,

I think you will need to vet the various alliance lists as at least one player seems to be on two alliance teams:
11168, MunMaRu is listed on both Skynet and Mega Fly WorldWide

M.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 04, 2010, 02:12:35 PM
Also, I still need some change for my alliance! (MunMaRu is definetly with Mega Fly, we talked about that in various PMs! )

I must exchange
"22409, unsaid" with "9726, Yukis" (Yukis to be entered)

Thanks a lot!
Jona L.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 04, 2010, 02:43:20 PM
Gentlemen, we've got a game!

Ladies too, if there are any...
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 04, 2010, 03:33:33 PM
I must exchange
"22409, unsaid" with "9726, Yukis" (Yukis to be entered)

pls. edit your message/list accordingly.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 04, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Now its edited :)
I hope that was the final one :) (but I guess so)

Thanks, Mr. Puro :)

Jona L.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JonesyUK on August 04, 2010, 04:53:15 PM
Sami,

I think you will need to vet the various alliance lists as at least one player seems to be on two alliance teams:
11168, MunMaRu is listed on both Skynet and Mega Fly WorldWide

M.

There's four that are on both. Will sort it out later :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: WesternU on August 05, 2010, 12:47:01 PM
GlobalTeam - SkyGroup will be participating with a full 25 member team.

I/We will be posting the required member details shortly.
Hey Sami,

I am just waiting on a couple more players to reconfirm their intention of participating, so if you need a partial list sooner, just let me know.  I just don't want to have to change to some of our alternates at the last second.  Sorry for the delay.

Best regards,
WesternU
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: jetsgo on August 05, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
Hi

I'm looking to join an alliance. I run airBirmingham and would really like to be in this game.

cheers Jetsgo
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Zabuti on August 06, 2010, 05:05:31 PM
Hi !

We are waiting for confirmation from some players before submitting the list.

When is your deadline Sami ?

Thx !
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 06, 2010, 05:07:28 PM
Get 'em during this starting week, that should be ok...
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Elle gi on August 06, 2010, 07:23:34 PM
Hi

I'm looking to join an alliance. I run Lucair in Air travel boom and would really like to be in this game.

Elle gi
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: jetxpress on August 08, 2010, 03:53:30 AM
Best International Group (BIG)

Board:
Jexpress, JonnyAngel, Elvis141

Members:
31813, fauzi
39158, brendanosx
30266, btrain6888
38748, Capt Ted
35202, Reimerb
13577, aerohottie
38576, norcarolinian
34827, Elle gi
33529, Jexpress,
34719, JonnyAngel
30260, Elvis141
35744, Orion
15292, CX920
39412, Greggorr
32124, lurch3333
24589, Walker
11053, doucetj
25460, Marc103

We're still recruiting up!! PM a board member for details.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: carrisi on August 10, 2010, 04:17:48 AM

Still waiting for the definition of winners - Value? Pax? Revenue? Profit?

Also, can an alliance have more than one member at an airport?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JonesyUK on August 10, 2010, 07:21:25 AM
Still waiting for the definition of winners - Value? Pax? Revenue? Profit?


Read the basic info bit? :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 10, 2010, 02:43:46 PM


DEADLINE FOR SIGNUPS IS TOMORROW, 11.08.10, 16:00 utc.

Please update the alliance participation lists to their final status before that...
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Runner on August 10, 2010, 04:08:39 PM
Alright! Launch date is getting closer!  :D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: WesternU on August 10, 2010, 08:42:37 PM
GlobalSky
Managers: WesternU, PH1517, RushmoreAir

Members:
6562, WesternU
14445, PH1517
9885, RushmoreAir
21394, connorc17
138, mtnlion
15957, MattDell
15996, GjedDa
17151, mikk_13
9687, carloscarlos
7363, mbmaniax
10260, maple
9705, sharpe26
14611, Jake43
23313, florek
24081, ucfknightryan
21145, Miller11
30255, rudaye
36027, THI
35920, jetwestinc
3409, coopdogyo
35248, doing2030@hotmail.com
12200, L1011fan
15983, Brad B
24973, spiff23
4763, Tube
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: carrisi on August 11, 2010, 02:09:39 AM

The basic info says that the scoring system is still to be determined. Just wondered if there was any news....
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Arvidsson410 on August 11, 2010, 03:50:59 PM
UNITEAM

Managers: Arvidsson410, nailzthehammer, Gleipner 

40734, Nakota 
39416, Arvidsson410
22325, nailzthehammer
40336, michael1998
39527, saman
40039, JC
20655, alexbieniek 
26485, Comandier Staff
39270, Gleipner
39468, stevenf
40196, Martin James
7013, LJ128
38452, plasticforks
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: carloscarlos on August 11, 2010, 06:18:19 PM
ergggh....wondering why would i be in 2 alliances?! im just one cant split up in 2.
would you please remove me from skynet. i cant recall being asked to join!

thanks

carlos
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: WesternU on August 11, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
ergggh....wondering why would i be in 2 alliances?! im just one cant split up in 2.
would you please remove me from skynet. i cant recall being asked to join!

thanks

carlos
Hi Sami,

I sent you a PM on this as well.

Thanks,
WesternU
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: joannaortes on August 13, 2010, 10:03:08 AM
I am an Euroskies member, I would like if I could participate to next game
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 13, 2010, 10:22:31 AM
I am an Euroskies member, I would like if I could participate to next game
Deadline was 2 days ago......
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] Sunbao on August 13, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
When can we expect the alliance forums to open
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 13, 2010, 10:09:18 PM
When can we expect the alliance forums to open

Can we have a date when the game will start please Sami? If that is not possible can we at least have an update.

Cheers
LostInBKK
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 14, 2010, 10:19:57 AM
The number of players is only a problem if there are too much of them for North America and Europe.

On the other hand this should be a challenge, so I'm not expecting some easy mode sandbox game.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 14, 2010, 12:04:40 PM
How many players will this game have? I see more and more alliance rosters pop up and with no forums yet to communicate... I think I'm gonna put a huge MAYBE at my name... too much players in too much puny alliances is not a good thing for me... Plus the deadline was 3 days ago and still no new update...

It will have as many players as have signed up in the deadline. Haven't counted yet though.

Forums will open on monday I suppose and world launches on thursday/friday probably.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 14, 2010, 02:08:29 PM
It will have as many players as have signed up in the deadline. Haven't counted yet though.

Forums will open on monday I suppose and world launches on thursday/friday probably.

Please Thursday or Friday morning (GMT) I am away until 2AM on Sat. Morning (lc) due to work.... :(
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 14, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
Why can't you just open the forums now? :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 14, 2010, 06:16:02 PM
We have to remember this is the first time this type of game has been set up.

I am sure we all remember how the game has changed from each version.

I am 100% taking part even if I know I am not the best player and I am concerned about the number of players in a limited space.

I will give it my best shot and try to do myself and my fellow Alliance members proud.

Cheers
LostInBKK
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 14, 2010, 06:47:29 PM
We have to remember this is the first time this type of game has been set up.

I am sure we all remember how the game has changed from each version.

I am 100% take apart even if I know I am not the best player and I am concerned about the number of players in a limited space.

I will give it my best shot and try to do myself and my fellow Alliance members proud.

Cheers
LostInBKK

You should run for president with a speech like that :')
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 15, 2010, 12:55:09 AM
I guess better not to put him president ;D :P

Don't take it personal, Greig, dude ;)

Jona L.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 15, 2010, 08:23:06 AM
Summary so far:

Mega Fly Worldwide
Managers: Jona L., lilius, LostInBKK

Members:
14933, Jona L.
8954, lilius
17672, LostInBKK
25034, Jumbo Mouse
23140, JetRush
24335, GMas
4076, bierbrauerm
28625, Robster_9
40155, begla
12719, Maarten Otto
31684, Minerva
19836, 0zlw
38251, mclovin
7529, T8KE0FF
6387, mcvicarj
4405, Sunbao
16387, yuui4
28078, pattN
11168, MunMaRu
9726, Yukis
13219, hong
9950, xlightman
11416, Nick Wood
6880, Pcxc
1358, SheronH
=25

WorldLink

Managers: NorgeFly, Daveos, oggie84

Members:
19373, ChrisA330
12502, rakeish
6853, marc0o0o0o
7342, blaker1984
5324, ICEcold
28716, carrisi
29877, Quinoky
32850, cevelyn
19506, Jason777
4965, Davva9961
6792, Daveos
30244, GoGreenCEO
4663, ukatlantic
22821, infi80
36767, Gez
26759, radjed
24364, Minto Typhoon
10877, Atomico
7957, TFC1
12626, DudeMcDude
12486, coatedmoney
7933, Icelandair0416
9988, NorgeFly
30176, Curse
12129, oggie84
=25

Silver Star Alliance

Managers: Seattle, Talentz, Ile

Members:
44, Ile
313, Byqu
764, Powi
819, Seattle
1002, Runner
2531, wparoubek
2616, Trickster69
2632, Nemo74
2722, Frogiton
2862, Idioteque
2865, Talentz
3245, Ban2
3637, Alien
4095, Kim
4108, Chris
4645, Kieran900
7127, Flaps20
7949, Swiftus27
11338, Ekaneti
11383, Nickhh
14028, Yb
15536, Nonkan
16115, Lurkmat
29858, Luczian
37784, losgatitospeligrosos
=25

SkyNet
Managers: JonesyUK, Jest, Sigma

2839, JonesyUK
6993, Jest
10590, Sigma
3613, Chapelhillnews 
10854, Robio
11633, Type45
17616, SAC
7807, Toivoja
32688, Ergunp
12366, JuanchoPancho 
38031, tom14cat14
5752, Mzeeh
22409, unsaid
31616, rangingwarr
25785, michael95u
6801, highways1
31686, Snickers
9687, carloscarlos
15153, porthos81
16972, Wilkesy
5663, Kazari
25785, Michael95u
20179, Jetsgo
=23

Best International Group (BIG)

Board:
Jexpress, JonnyAngel, Elvis141

Members:
31813, fauzi
39158, brendanosx
30266, btrain6888
38748, Capt Ted
35202, Reimerb
13577, aerohottie
38576, norcarolinian
34827, Elle gi
33529, Jexpress,
34719, JonnyAngel
30260, Elvis141
35744, Orion
15292, CX920
39412, Greggorr
32124, lurch3333
24589, Walker
11053, doucetj
25460, Marc103
=18

GlobalSky
Managers: WesternU, PH1517, RushmoreAir

Members:
6562, WesternU
14445, PH1517
9885, RushmoreAir
21394, connorc17
138, mtnlion
15957, MattDell
15996, GjedDa
17151, mikk_13
9687, carloscarlos
7363, mbmaniax
10260, maple
9705, sharpe26
14611, Jake43
23313, florek
24081, ucfknightryan
21145, Miller11
30255, rudaye
36027, THI
35920, jetwestinc
3409, coopdogyo
35248, doing2030@hotmail.com
12200, L1011fan
15983, Brad B
24973, spiff23
4763, Tube
=25

UNITEAM

Managers: Arvidsson410, nailzthehammer, Gleipner 

40734, Nakota 
39416, Arvidsson410
22325, nailzthehammer
40336, michael1998
39527, saman
40039, JC
20655, alexbieniek 
26485, Comandier Staff
39270, Gleipner
39468, stevenf
40196, Martin James
7013, LJ128
38452, plasticforks
=13

TOTAL

7 alliances

with
154 players
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Maarten Otto on August 15, 2010, 09:07:01 AM
154 players spread over 2 continents... Not a hard game at all if you survived Euro challenge twice.  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 15, 2010, 09:10:41 AM
I guess better not to put him president ;D :P

Don't take it personal, Greig, dude ;)

Jona L.

Spokesperson. ;)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
154 players spread over 2 continents... Not a hard game at all if you survived Euro challenge twice.  ;D

MMMMM I guess that means we are going to have to be very careful about where we start our airlines.

I can see ATL, ORD and LHR becoming blood baths as these airports are the largest, the fighting there will be the most intense.

Just like real life, I guess.

Cheers
LostInBKK (President in Waiting)

 
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 15, 2010, 10:10:51 AM
MMMMM I guess that means we are going to have to be very careful about where we start our airlines.

I can see ATL, ORD and LHR becoming blood baths as these airports are the largest, the fighting there will be the most intense.

Just like real life, I guess.

Cheers
LostInBKK (President in Waiting)

 

We will have to plan very carefully when the alliance forums open! Im in your alliance - look forward to working with you, sir. ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 15, 2010, 10:17:57 AM
The Blood Bath at Atlanta won't last very long. I will take care of it.  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 11:21:42 AM
The Blood Bath at Atlanta won't last very long. I will take care of it.  ;D

I thought you were the King of LAX??? I cant wish you good luck in ATL as you are not part the Alliance I am in.

Cheers
Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 11:22:29 AM
We will have to plan very carefully when the alliance forums open! Im in your alliance - look forward to working with you, sir. ;D

Yeah as soon as the Forum is open then the Alliances can start to plan for the game. All good fun.  ;D

Cheers

Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 15, 2010, 12:15:48 PM
Well, any thoughts on the player number vs. available areas/airports?  To me still sounds OK as EU/NA are the two biggest areas in terms of airports and pax demands, and we did run EU challenge and such stuff with around 100-150 players too (= single continent).

Thanks for the list powi. I will have to check for duplicates on that and create the forums tonight once back home (forums open ... let's say at about 20 UTC, unless some problems).

If there are two players assigned to two alliances (heard there are some?), then he will be assigned to the first alliance he has been reported to be a member (unless someone has already corrected this data via post in this thread or PM to me). So you may still wish to double check your participation if you've been in talks with two alliances.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 15, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Maybe north africa? Like Cairo, Algiers, Tunisia etc....?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 15, 2010, 12:48:33 PM
Perhaps the inclusion of Asia would be a good idea as it would allow airlines to fly both east and west from their hub, rather than being totally concentrated on trans-Atlantic routes. But, maybe airports in Asia could only be available as destinations and not as hubs, forcing everyone to base in Europe and North America as originally planned.
 
The problem with only including Europe and North America is that airports on the west coast of the US for example  will only be able to fly routes eastbound and airlines in Europe will be forced fly west bound. Including Asia would allow airlines in the game to have a more balanced network that isn't focused too heavily on trans-Atlantic which will likely become a blood bath.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: SKYCEO on August 15, 2010, 01:02:10 PM
Perhaps the inclusion of Asia would be a good idea as it would allow airlines to fly both east and west from their hub, rather than being totally concentrated on trans-Atlantic routes. But, maybe airports in Asia could only be available as destinations and not as hubs, forcing everyone to base in Europe and North America as originally planned.
 
The problem with only including Europe and North America is that airports on the west coast of the US for example  will only be able to fly routes eastbound and airlines in Europe will be forced fly west bound. Including Asia would allow airlines in the game to have a more balanced network that isn't focused too heavily on trans-Atlantic which will likely become a blood bath.

I like this idea a lot.  x2
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 15, 2010, 01:07:35 PM
inclusion of Asia

+1
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 01:10:21 PM
Surely the first thing we need to work out is how a winning Alliance is going to be declared?

Cheers
LostinBKK

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 15, 2010, 01:15:23 PM
hmm, I think arranging that isn't possible technically at the present system. But can be done if everyone agrees to that rule, not to open a HQ/base there.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 01:16:11 PM
Perhaps the inclusion of Asia would be a good idea as it would allow airlines to fly both east and west from their hub, rather than being totally concentrated on trans-Atlantic routes. But, maybe airports in Asia could only be available as destinations and not as hubs, forcing everyone to base in Europe and North America as originally planned.
 
The problem with only including Europe and North America is that airports on the west coast of the US for example  will only be able to fly routes eastbound and airlines in Europe will be forced fly west bound. Including Asia would allow airlines in the game to have a more balanced network that isn't focused too heavily on trans-Atlantic which will likely become a blood bath.

If you are going to put Asia in it should be on the same level as Europe and North America.

I would also like to ask how is it going to be decided who goes in which airport. The reason I ask this is that 7 people in LHR as an example will be complete and utter carnage and could lead to people leaving the game and thus putting their Alliance at a disadvantage. Surely there should be a limit of the number of Airlines at each airport say 5 and that each Alliance picks in turn. This would be a lot fairer if you ask me. It would also make Alliances be clever as to where they place their airlines. Of course other people could read this and think its complete and utter rubbish  :P

Cheers

Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 15, 2010, 01:22:05 PM
hmm, I think arranging that isn't possible technically at the present system. But can be done if everyone agrees to that rule, not to open a HQ/base there.

In that case I suggest either Asia is open for hubs or not included at all as I am sure you will know from previous games, people just do not read the instructions properly and we would inevitably find several players with hubs in Asia even though they are not supposed to be there.

The other alternative is of course that you force them to relocate to Europe or North America if that is in fact the case??
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 15, 2010, 01:32:26 PM
If you are going to put Asia in it should be on the same level as Europe and North America.

I would also like to ask how is it going to be decided who goes in which airport. The reason I ask this is that 7 people in LHR as an example will be complete and utter carnage and could lead to people leaving the game and thus putting their Alliance at a disadvantage. Surely there should be a limit of the number of Airlines at each airport say 5 and that each Alliance picks in turn. This would be a lot fairer if you ask me. It would also make Alliances be clever as to where they place their airlines. Of course other people could read this and think its complete and utter rubbish  :P

Cheers

Lost

Maybe we can bid for the top 30 airports with credits?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Maybe we can bid for the top 30 airports with credits?

Great Idea for Sami but not good for us if we have to buy them  :'(

Cheers

Lost

PS: There should also be a prize for the winning alliance. Like a gold cup appears in the airlines of the winning alliance.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: type45 on August 15, 2010, 01:35:20 PM
If cannot make Asia a destination only place, I think it should be just kept closed or fully open to players ;)

I have to agree that many people do not read the instructions properly(sometime include me......)

or we can restrict only numbers of players can be based at Asia per alliance or only can base at major airports with big demand to EU/NA? That means the game will be focus to EU and NA but not tons of players run to Asia for their own empire (well, I don't mind to do that  :P)

bid with credits will make the richest in real life can own the right, that's not fair to others, I don't think it is acceptable for many people
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 15, 2010, 01:39:03 PM
Maybe we can bid for the top 30 airports with credits?

As it's an alliance challenge, surely it is best that the alliances decide who bases where (when the private forums open) so that the alliance has the best chance of winning. There is no point having the weakest player in the alliance based at LHR or JFK just because they have bought it with credits.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
As it's an alliance challenge, surely it is best that the alliances decide who bases where (when the private forums open) so that the alliance has the best chance of winning. There is no point having the weakest player in the alliance based at LHR or JFK just because they have bought it with credits.

I completely agree with that NorgeFly but there is also no point having the 7 strongest players there and then two drop out, which would really impact their Alliances.

Cheers

Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 15, 2010, 01:45:21 PM
I completely agree with that NorgeFly but there is also no point having the 7 strongest players there and then two drop out, which would really impact their Alliances.

Cheers

Lost

You're absolutely right and maybe some alliances will just stay clear of LHR altogether as it's always the first airport to be locked up. But those who base there know that and will just have to deal with it as I don't believe there would be a fair way to restrict the number of airlines at any particular airport in this type of game.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
You're absolutely right and maybe some alliances will just stay clear of LHR altogether as it's always the first airport to be locked up. But those who base there know that and will just have to deal with it as I don't believe there would be a fair way to restrict the number of airlines at any particular airport in this type of game.

I for one will certainly be no where near LHR, ATL or ORD due to the reasons you have listed above.

Cheers

Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Talentz on August 15, 2010, 02:08:45 PM
Ahh... I feel the tension rising, the fun is close at hand.

NA and Euroland is fine with me.

Question though: Are we following standard AWS rules or do we have special rules for Alliance Challenge? This can greatly impact how we plan to kill .. compete with one another.



Talentz


Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 15, 2010, 02:11:42 PM
I think North America and Europe are no good idea.

Too much airports need demand from other areas, so for example Los Angeles is nearly useless while JFK would be much better than normal.


Also 150 player for two continents? Too easy for an Alliance Challenge.


Why not making an Euro Challenge out of it?

Maybe with no basing at Top8 or Top10 international airports.


However, for me personally everything will ok, I'm sure I can deal with the situation, but Europe and North America sounds very imbalanced to me.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 15, 2010, 02:14:28 PM
I think North America and Europe are no good idea.

Too much airports need demand from other areas, so for example Los Angeles is nearly useless while JFK would be much better than normal.


Also 150 player for two continents? Too easy for an Alliance Challenge.


Why not making an Euro Challenge out of it?

Maybe with no basing at Top8 or Top10 international airports.


However, for me personally everything will ok, I'm sure I can deal with the situation, but Europe and North America sounds very imbalanced to me.

Were not all as good as you :laugh:

I think NA, Europe and North Africa will do just fine. :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 02:17:18 PM
Were not all as good as you :laugh:

I think NA, Europe and North Africa will do just fine. :)

Completely agree with this, the best players will go to the larger airports and hopefully this will allow the less able players to have some fun in the smaller airports.

The point about the west coast and east coast of the US is a valid point and has been mentioned. The only way I can see to fix that is to bring Asia in to the game and thus give the west coast the access to all that traffic.

Cheers
Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 15, 2010, 02:18:01 PM
Ahh... I feel the tension rising, the fun is close at hand.

NA and Euroland is fine with me.

Question though: Are we following standard AWS rules or do we have special rules for Alliance Challenge? This can greatly impact how we plan to kill .. compete with one another.



Talentz

I think standard rules should apply - I am very much looking forward to this game  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 15, 2010, 02:32:43 PM
Standard rules include

The most important rule about alliance game behaviour is that alliances are not allowed to perform any coordinated alliance-wide schemes or attacks against other single airlines or other alliances or their member airlines. Alliance airlines may not target deliberately the routes of single other airline / alliance with an effort of pushing them out of the market or forcing to bankruptcy.

Basicly the same is said about actions of a single airline.

Are these rules in effect?

I think that slot hoggin should be banned and 200% of capacity/or one flight per day (per Alliance!) rule enforced, but otherwise no limits to competition.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 15, 2010, 02:38:33 PM
I hope standard rules apply! The aim of the game is to come out on top as the "best" alliance. But frankly, I wouldn't want to be part of an alliance who gain that title by means of bullying, cheating, flooding routes and generally uncompetitive tactics.

The "best" alliance will be the one that can grow and develop into a World power within the rules and without sinking to underhand tactics. WorldLink play by the rules and personally I wouldn't be interested in playing if it was just going to descend into a race to the bottom.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 15, 2010, 03:05:48 PM
Slot hogging banned? That's cool, because to be honest I'm planning an all prop aircraft out of Heathrow.

(Yes, I'm serious.)  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Maarten Otto on August 15, 2010, 03:14:06 PM
And how would one forbid to hog the slots? Just by saying that F50's are not allowed to fly to Heathrow? Then a system that automatically bans these types of ac should be implemented. Which can't be done so cloase to the start of a game world.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 15, 2010, 03:22:03 PM
It would be unfair to ban small aircraft from any airport as this is unrealistic. E145's and F50's have been used to keep slots at LHR in real life and while it might annoy some of the other airline's who would love the slots to fly a 747, it's basically tough luck. Once an airline has a slot, it belongs to them as long as they continue to use it and can use whatever aircraft they choose. If someone wants to fly LHR-CDG every 15 mins with an E145, why should they be prevented from doing so?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Maarten Otto on August 15, 2010, 03:26:14 PM
Slot hogging is part of the game, just like death and taxes.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 15, 2010, 03:35:02 PM
Slot hoggin rules from the game manual:

Player / airline is not allowed to use unfair tactics with the aim of being able to control more slots than the airline operation requires. This means that the airline may not continuously switch between aircraft or routes in a way that slots that would otherwise expire are kept under the control of the airline.

The airline is also forbidden to acquire aircraft and route them so that the only purpose is to get airport slots and preserve them for future use. In practise this would mean routing aircraft to airports and routes that provide no profit, or by clearly oversupplying the estimated pax demand, and later switching the routes to other airports when more suitable aircraft equipment is available.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 15, 2010, 03:36:24 PM
The Blood Bath at Atlanta won't last very long. I will take care of it.  ;D

Sure, boy? I'll be right in your back there!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 15, 2010, 03:42:53 PM
Were not all as good as you :laugh:

Curse is not that good... he admitted to me privately, that he just has luck ;)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 15, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
Yes, I always only have luck hrhr
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Yb on August 15, 2010, 04:37:15 PM
Cut Asia out. No Asia. NO ASIA!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: ICEcoldair881 on August 15, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
Cut Asia out. No Asia. NO ASIA!

PRO-ASIA! Why would we cut Asia out if that's one of the biggest markets in the world!?! That's like saying - I don't think China will need a lot of food and water, after all they don't just have the BIGGEST POPULATION IN THE WORLD.... :-\
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: d2031k on August 15, 2010, 05:37:01 PM
As I understood the original premise, the idea of this world was ensure direct competition between the largest airlines.  This would suggest that 2 continents would be better.  Despite EC and NAC being in v1.11, they both had around 150 players and so 2 continents would allow players to have their hubs as well as it being competitive.

Saying this and with the world being 'aggressive,' the tactics probably employed could lead to very few active airlines being in the world very quickly.  Perhaps Asia could be opened up later in to allow almost a second round for players that get knocked out or bored etc.  This could even be extended to the other continents in the latest stages?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 15, 2010, 05:54:36 PM
After reading comments I am in favor of the original setup, EU & NA.

For the rules. Standard rules will apply. For the 'attack' chapter, this still means that an alliance is not allowed to coordinate together to force some airline out of the routes or airports - even if this is dubbed alliance challenge. If you think for it a while I believe it's easy to understand.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 15, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
Sounds good to me...

When will the alliance forums be opened up? Do you mean 2000hrs today? :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 06:09:26 PM
After reading comments I am in favor of the original setup, EU & NA.

For the rules. Standard rules will apply. For the 'attack' chapter, this still means that an alliance is not allowed to coordinate together to force some airline out of the routes or airports - even if this is dubbed alliance challenge. If you think for it a while I believe it's easy to understand.

Can I have an example of what you mean Sami?

Cheers
Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] Sunbao on August 15, 2010, 06:28:17 PM
Perhaps the inclusion of Asia would be a good idea as it would allow airlines to fly both east and west from their hub, rather than being totally concentrated on trans-Atlantic routes. But, maybe airports in Asia could only be available as destinations and not as hubs, forcing everyone to base in Europe and North America as originally planned.
 
The problem with only including Europe and North America is that airports on the west coast of the US for example  will only be able to fly routes eastbound and airlines in Europe will be forced fly west bound. Including Asia would allow airlines in the game to have a more balanced network that isn't focused too heavily on trans-Atlantic which will likely become a blood bath.

Souds like a very good idea.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 15, 2010, 06:28:53 PM
Some people told me it would be unfair to set up an all prop airline out of Heathrow.

But now I'm very sad... everybody does  :'(


However, I think two continents will make the game too easy and imbalanced... but most people like it easy, so it must be ok for me.  :-\
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 15, 2010, 07:16:58 PM
Some people told me it would be unfair to set up an all prop airline out of Heathrow.

But now I'm very sad... everybody does  :'(


However, I think two continents will make the game too easy and imbalanced... but most people like it easy, so it must be ok for me.  :-\

Do what you have to win.

Cheers

Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 15, 2010, 07:52:23 PM

Alliance Challenge forums are now open.

* All members who have signed up have been assigned into their alliance membergroups for this starting game world.

* The private forums for the alliances have been opened. Use these forums to pre-plan your base airports and such things.

* Game world will open on Thursday 19th Aug, at approx. 10.00 UTC. A standard 24h turn will be held (remember also that you don't have to be online at that starting hour as the first turn is 24hrs and used a/c market is refreshed on regular intervals...).

(* Please check that you have been assigned into the correct alliance and you actually see the forum. If you do not see the forum now, you will not be able to see the game world either so make sure you report any problems!)

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 15, 2010, 09:01:23 PM
What starting and ending date the scenario will have?

Sorry if this is posted somewhere, haven't found it right now.

PS: In the starting post is "planned" 1996-2010. Is this fix?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 16, 2010, 05:45:53 AM
Proposal for the scoring system

My idea is to give non-weighted points for each easily collectable and reliable statistic available. Scoring could be 8-6-5-4-3-2-1. Examples are total airline value, available psk and transported pax.

Additional scores or penalties would be of things that need to be hand collected. Alliances could report these by themselves and other alliances could check their validity. Examples are -1 for each airline NOT holding biggest market share at the HQ, -1 for each airline not flying at least 20 aicraft with positive cash or company value at the end of the game.

Winner is the alliance with the most points.

I've no access to a game at the moment so I'm not sure which statistics are readily available. This was just to introduce the principle.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 16, 2010, 08:14:40 AM
Proposal for the scoring system

My idea is to give non-weighted points for each easily collectable and reliable statistic available. Scoring could be 8-6-5-4-3-2-1. Examples are total airline value, available psk and transported pax.

Additional scores or penalties would be of things that need to be hand collected. Alliances could report these by themselves and other alliances could check their validity. Examples are -1 for each airline NOT holding biggest market share at the HQ, -1 for each airline not flying at least 20 aicraft with positive cash or company value at the end of the game.

Winner is the alliance with the most points.

I've no access to a game at the moment so I'm not sure which statistics are readily available. This was just to introduce the principle.

As this the first game why cant we have something very simple like number of passengers flown. I have no access to the game at all so I have no clue what stats are available. But it would be nice to have something simple that we can all track. Giving out -1 for the base airport I think is rather negative.

Just my thoughts.

Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 16, 2010, 09:05:20 AM
Because pax flown is not the best choice. A long-haul airline will ever transport less pax than a domestic airline, but the first one could be more profitable.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 16, 2010, 09:06:41 AM
Because pax flown is not the best choice. A long-haul airline will ever transport less pax than a domestic airline, but the first one could be more profitable.


Just trying to make sure the scoring system is so simple that I can understand it  :-[

Thanks
Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: d2031k on August 16, 2010, 07:38:23 PM
After some thoughts about the scoring system, I was wondering if it should just relate to bankruptcies.  A system employing a complex formula would see players attempting to exploit certain areas like fleet numbers or routes served etc.  It shouldn't matter who is the most valuble airline because the world is supposed to be about the success of the alliance as a whole.

Something that also addresses the alliances that have less than 25 members could go as follows:

- Each alliance could start on 25 points. 
- Every bankruptcy would knock a point off the alliance's total score. 
- For an alliance of say 20 members, they would start on 25 too but only lose 0.8 points per bankuptcy as their size is 0.8 that of a full alliance. 
- The alliance with the most points at the end wins.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: jetxpress on August 16, 2010, 08:14:15 PM
No limits on start-up airports, or which airports you can open a secondary base.
Limiting JFK, LHR, ATL etc. from being secondary hubs could be a disadvantage to players playing outside of those airports mid game.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Talentz on August 16, 2010, 08:44:16 PM
How many times does a player have to BK before being kicked out of the game?  4?

Why not make it based of on the number of bankruptcies per alliance?

Each player has a tally and starts at 1. For every BK the player goes through, that counts as -1.

For alliance's with less then 25 members, a handicap can be factored in. (exp: 20 members = +5)

So every Alliance starts at 25 points. Most points (less BKs) wins.



Talentz

Edit:

Sorry Daveos, I wasn't paying attention when I typed this out. We basically agree with the general system to use.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: d2031k on August 16, 2010, 09:12:39 PM
Sorry Daveos, I wasn't paying attention when I typed this out. We basically agree with the general system to use.

No worries :)  I think that method definitely seems the most straight forward
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 16, 2010, 11:20:37 PM
The system for winning has to be decided ASAP as people are picking base airports and we have no clue how to win the game.

COME ON  SAMI pick a system even if its not perfect we need to know days before the game starts

Cheers
Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 16, 2010, 11:28:03 PM
Maybe it would help if you post here in which player which HQ and which bases wants to use, so we could better think about some scoring system....  :-[
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 16, 2010, 11:35:53 PM
Maybe it would help if you post here in which player which HQ and which bases wants to use, so we could better think about some scoring system....  :-[

WTF that information should be in your own Alliance thread.

But if an airline wants to be in Cardiff as example how can we say no sorry you need to pick a larger airport If we have no clue how the game can be won.

Cheers
Lost

PS: had a few beers, so time for sleep  8)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 16, 2010, 11:55:07 PM
WTF that information should be in your own Alliance thread.

To put informations about your starting airports in our Alliance Thread, please send me the list via PM. Thanks a lot.   :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Jona L. on August 17, 2010, 03:30:14 AM
Maybe it would help if you post here in which player which HQ and which bases wants to use, so we could better think about some scoring system....  :-[

NO!?

This keeps away the advantage of the hidden attack... this way you don't know who your competition will be, so you can't now try to find his/her strategies...

Also, I DISAGREE with jetexpress... players choose their bases, and by now, it should be know which airports are available as bases, and which not... so you just pick an airport big enough, and do your hubs somewhere else...

another thing about hubs: maybe rise the limit of planes/base? like say... 125?

Jona L.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 17, 2010, 04:54:45 AM
If the score is based on bankruptcies only everybody should start on medium airports, far away from others. Doesn't really encourage competition. There's also huge potential that alliances will try to bankrupt chosen rival airlines, which is banned by the rules.

And personally I think it is no challenge at all to try to not bankrupt...
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 17, 2010, 10:47:20 AM

The scoring system will be based on a combination of suggestions made here. Roughly so that there are fixed/cumulative points and then variable points, which are added together to form the total score.

- Cumulative points are gained from every year the alliance is operational, lost from bankrupted members, staff strikes, and maintenance violations.
- Variable points are counted each day based on various in-game statistics, and points are given to top-10 or 20 airlines of each statistical area (if the airline belongs to some alliance). Stats would be for example profit margin, LF% and similar which measure how efficient the airline is, not necessarily how big and global it is (although some of these stats will be included too, like transported paxes).

Scores will be visible on alliance listing page, and this update will be implemented also to all other games.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 17, 2010, 11:02:57 AM
OK Excellent the scoring is sorted ;D

So do we have a start date and time for the game?

Cheers

Greig
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 17, 2010, 11:09:56 AM

* Game world will open on Thursday 19th Aug, at approx. 10.00 UTC. A standard 24h turn will be held (remember also that you don't have to be online at that starting hour as the first turn is 24hrs and used a/c market is refreshed on regular intervals...).

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 17, 2010, 11:13:14 AM



Cheers NorgeFly I completely forgot  :-[

Thanks
Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JumboShrimp on August 17, 2010, 06:53:59 PM

another thing about hubs: maybe rise the limit of planes/base? like say... 125?

Jona L.

I think it would be a good idea in every game, unless different sizes of bases is introduced.  With one type of base (fairly expensive one in terms of overhead), it takes more planes to justify opening a base.

If the base is heavily contested one, it takes quite a lot of planes to be able to use frequency as a weapon - hence more, smaller planes.  With limited number of planes, it is hard to compete with an incumbent player.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: swiftus27 on August 17, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
just made this to stir the pot only.... this is all me and nothing else. 

ha ha

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Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Seattle on August 17, 2010, 09:19:04 PM
I like it! Now if someone could make that into our logo....... ;D ;)                               
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: jest on August 17, 2010, 10:35:06 PM
The scoring system will be based on a combination of suggestions made here. Roughly so that there are fixed/cumulative points and then variable points, which are added together to form the total score.

- Cumulative points are gained from every year the alliance is operational, lost from bankrupted members, staff strikes, and maintenance violations.
- Variable points are counted each day based on various in-game statistics, and points are given to top-10 or 20 airlines of each statistical area (if the airline belongs to some alliance). Stats would be for example profit margin, LF% and similar which measure how efficient the airline is, not necessarily how big and global it is (although some of these stats will be included too, like transported paxes).

Scores will be visible on alliance listing page, and this update will be implemented also to all other games.

System seems fine, however i dont think profit margin should be factored though. I have the wealthiest airline at MT2 and my profit margin is always close to 0%. Erhhh, i am allergic to paying taxes you know, most probably something i inherited from real life.  :)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sigma on August 17, 2010, 11:13:40 PM
System seems fine, however i dont think profit margin should be factored though. I have the wealthiest airline at MT2 and my profit margin is always close to 0%. Erhhh, i am allergic to paying taxes you know, most probably something i inherited from real life.  :)

I think it's fine as a component of the score.  That way, while you choose to focus on some other component, someone else can focus on their profit margin and you both get some 'points' for it.  That way a multitude of methods of operating are all viable.  At least in theory.  Without knowing how the scoring is really broken-down, it's hard to say what, if any, method(s) is/are "best".
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Talentz on August 17, 2010, 11:48:11 PM
Sounds ok for me. My only other question is will players get more then 4 bankruptcies?





Talentz
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 17, 2010, 11:53:51 PM
Sounds ok for me. My only other question is will players get more then 4 bankruptcies?

Talentz

I think only one BK should be allowed in this game
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Talentz on August 18, 2010, 12:21:23 AM



5 Credits... 1 Chance... Alliance Challenge!

Who's number one now?





Something like that?  :laugh:

-Albert
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 18, 2010, 12:24:14 AM


5 Credits... 1 Chance... Alliance Challenge!

Who's number one now?





Something like that?  :laugh:

-Albert

Absolutely!  :laugh:

although with one bankruptcy, you'd be allowed a second chance... lets not be too harsh ;)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JumboShrimp on August 18, 2010, 12:58:37 AM
I am not sure why everyone is so concerned with bankruptcies.  If someone goes BK, he has lost a LOT of time, which is enough of a punishment, IMO.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: oggie84 on August 18, 2010, 01:04:34 AM
I am not sure why everyone is so concerned with bankruptcies.  If someone goes BK, he has lost a LOT of time, which is enough of a punishment, IMO.

and cost his alliance alot of points!.....Only if we could introduce a "beating" system then i'd galdly whip my boys into shape before that was allowed to happen!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: ICEcoldair881 on August 18, 2010, 01:59:25 AM
is it only 5 credits? SWEET!  :D :D

Cheers,
Austin
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Seattle on August 18, 2010, 04:13:49 AM
I've probably missed it..... but what time period are we talking here?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: mtnlion on August 18, 2010, 08:46:55 AM
is it only 5 credits? SWEET!  :D :D

5 credits to join.  ;) Like always.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: flygresor on August 18, 2010, 04:41:56 PM
I want to join this game and an alliance, is it too late?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: RushmoreAir on August 18, 2010, 04:44:01 PM
I want to join this game and an alliance, is it too late?

The deadline was last week, sorry.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: ICEcoldair881 on August 18, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
5 credits to join.  ;) Like always.

 :'( guess I'll have to drop out of ATB. :P how much will it be in total (how many credits i mean)?

Cheers,
Austin
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 19, 2010, 08:07:05 AM

Info to alliance managers & players

Some information ...

* I will send an email to all subscribed members once the world opens to notify / remind ...

* When you create the airline it will be automatically assigned to the proper alliance. If you are the manager/moderator you will also get access to control panel automatically. No need to wait 6 months, invite anyone, or anything.

* You can not leave the alliance during the game (& managers cannot remove members). Bankruptcy will not remove you from the alliance forums or as a forum moderator. If all alliance members bankrupt the forum will still remain open (forums will be closed after game is completed). If you bankrupt and join the world again your airline will be assigned into your alliance automatically. If still for some reason you are kicked out of the alliance by the system (= manager kicks you, bankruptcy removes from forum or similar), there is a bug and then please report it (there have been quite a few mods for this world).

* Please check that all of your members have joined the forums and joined the game world about 48hrs after the world has started. If some member is unable to see the game world or the forums contact me immediately (as in that case he is not assigned to the proper membergroup to see the game). Same goes of course if you are accidentially assigned into wrong alliance.

* If some members do not show up although they have confirmed and signed up (grrr!) replacements may be considered earliest some 3 days after the world has started. At the same time alliances with less than 25 members can also increase their membercount if they wish. Please understand though that this replacement window will be only available for about 3-5 days (ie. days 3-10) since adjusting the memberships requires manual work/setting changes and it not feasible to be done throughout the game world, so further replacements / additions cannot be done after the initial period.

* If a member needs to be removed from the alliance later in the game (for example not respecting alliance rules or such), it should be discussed with admin. Basically he is allowed to play in the world since he signed up etc, and he cannot play without an alliance in this world so make sure you take care of your members and avoid conflicts etc, and plan to keep all your members till the end of the world.

* This is alliance vs. alliance competition but still all standard rules of AWS apply. Keep it clean....

* When the world starts and you've joined, please go to alliance control panel and upload the logo / icon. The icon is then displayed for all new members of your alliance at the airline creation screen.

(* The alliance score may, or may not be, visible when the game world starts. If it's not there yet, don't worry, the cumulative scores are already counted in the background anyways. Details of scoring system will be posted to a manual page I will write this week.)


World opens in a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: LostInBKK on August 19, 2010, 08:42:34 AM
Thanks for you work on this Sami.

I know most of don't understand the hard work that you put in to the game. But I honestly believe this Alliance V Alliance is a very exciting development for AWS. So I am very grateful for all your efforts.

I doubt I am the only player really looking forward to this game.

Cheers
Lost
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: MattDell on August 19, 2010, 09:13:04 AM
I thought we were starting at 10 UTC today.  Not so?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] Sunbao on August 19, 2010, 09:15:47 AM
I thought we were starting at 10 UTC today.  Not so?

still 45 mins to its 10 utc ?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: carloscarlos on August 19, 2010, 09:15:58 AM
i managed to get some leave...and here i am! haha....love my job!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: MattDell on August 19, 2010, 09:19:41 AM
still 45 mins to its 10 utc ?

gdit.  I was looking at GMT.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: carloscarlos on August 19, 2010, 09:21:31 AM
u always get me with these gmt utc stuff....so...what time will it open in uk time?!!?
thanks
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: MattDell on August 19, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
I guess 11 GMT / UK time.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: carloscarlos on August 19, 2010, 09:26:18 AM
ergh...coul have stayed 4 1 more hr at work... :-[  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 19, 2010, 09:28:50 AM
gdit.  I was looking at GMT.

What? GMT == UTC
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: MattDell on August 19, 2010, 09:31:01 AM
What? GMT == UTC
ok...

gdit.  I was looking at BST.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] Sunbao on August 19, 2010, 09:51:11 AM


Obviously not in this game :)

The time is now 9.50 in both gmt and utc
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] Sunbao on August 19, 2010, 09:56:28 AM
so in 10 minutes the game should start...? with sami not being online?




Around 10 utc yes
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: MattDell on August 19, 2010, 10:04:37 AM
Wait... so the game is up, but it's closed??
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] Sunbao on August 19, 2010, 10:05:22 AM
Ok, now it's definitely 10 UTC.  No game??

Take it easy mate around 10 utc and sami is online now.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 19, 2010, 10:06:49 AM

World is now open. If you don't see it there (or cannot join, or you are not assigned into an alliance), let me know.


(oh and if you get "cannot find alliance" error when inside the game world and trying to view info of an alliance, that's because the alliance does not have its manager logged in to the world yet, .. so it's only related to this nonstandard startup phase)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: MattDell on August 20, 2010, 07:23:50 AM
Apologies for my "zeal" last night... was a bit drunk!  :-[
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 20, 2010, 07:46:41 AM
Can we transfer alliances?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Maarten Otto on August 20, 2010, 07:54:50 AM
no.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: T8KE0FF on August 20, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
How do you know?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: powi on August 20, 2010, 08:54:06 AM
How do you know?

You didn't bother to look the very first post of this thread to find the answer. You were provided with a proper answer. Why do you question it?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: it_sco on August 20, 2010, 01:16:11 PM
Can I register in the world now?? = =
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] Sunbao on August 20, 2010, 03:36:52 PM
Can I register in the world now?? = =

nope way to late for that
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: it_sco on August 20, 2010, 03:50:14 PM
nope way to late for that

Thank.  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 20, 2010, 07:22:24 PM

Alliances - have you done headcounts, how many players missing still?

Should be 152 in total and I see only 128 so far. Well, a bit of no-show is normal even for private worlds but hopefully you can lure these users to join as they've promised so.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: swiftus27 on August 20, 2010, 07:28:07 PM
I think we may have some subs in that 3-5 day timeframe if need be, Sami.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on August 20, 2010, 08:15:46 PM
WorldLink have 23 out of 25 signed up and I think it's likely we'll need to use our substitutes for the remaining two spaces... when would you like us to pass on their details?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JonesyUK on August 20, 2010, 09:08:43 PM
SkyNet missing  Ergunp, Mzeeh, rangingwarr, highways1, carloscarlos.

We had two pull out anyway.... Is it too late to bring others in?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Phetoy6 on August 20, 2010, 09:33:47 PM
I'm willing to substitute if needed! thx
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JonesyUK on August 22, 2010, 08:33:29 AM
Highways1 has pulled out for us.... Is it possible to substitute in Phetoy6?

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Maarten Otto on August 22, 2010, 09:38:44 AM
No... please don't

Nothing against the person, but we're done.. it's a private server.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sigma on August 22, 2010, 09:43:51 AM
No... please don't

Nothing against the person, but we're done.. it's a private server.

Maarten, sami specifically noted that people would be allowed to join the game in the first few days in the case of no-shows or the like:

Quote from: sami
* If some members do not show up although they have confirmed and signed up (grrr!) replacements may be considered earliest some 3 days after the world has started. At the same time alliances with less than 25 members can also increase their membercount if they wish.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: samomuransky on August 22, 2010, 11:06:50 AM
I'd like to join if you have some free slots, though I'll understand if you don't wanna more players to join..
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JonesyUK on August 22, 2010, 09:34:15 PM
Sami, Can we add Phetoy6 and Samo to SkyNet please?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: love_bus on August 23, 2010, 06:16:11 AM
Very Interesting idea guys. Have fun. Hope theirs more of these in future  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 23, 2010, 02:18:48 PM

Alliance managers - Info on player additions & replacing members who didn't show up

* Window for replacements is ~48 hours from the time of this message. Monday 23/08/10, 14:20 UTC - Wed. 25/08/10 19:00 UTC.

* Please send me the list of members to be added or replaced in your alliance via forum PM. Please send only one message per each alliance! (replacements will be done latest on Wednesday evening, most likely earlier). Message must be sent by one of the three managers...

* Inform the name of the alliance, members to be removed (their usernames), and members to be added (username and member id number).

* Member can be removed only if he has not shown up for the game at all.

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Phetoy6 on August 23, 2010, 02:20:28 PM
JonesyUK, just send me a message, when I have to start the game! :D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: karn39 on August 23, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
Any spot left in any alliance?
Bangkok-based airline ready for service.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 23, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
There is no Bangkok.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: ucfknightryan on August 23, 2010, 08:39:07 PM
There is no Bangkok.

Only Zuul.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: karn39 on August 24, 2010, 07:12:57 AM
Just read that in the front page  ;D
Anywhere in world is ok..Waiting for acception by alliance
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: ottovhaff on August 24, 2010, 10:09:45 AM
Hi,

Can I also join Skynet?
Or any other Alliance that has a free spot?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on August 24, 2010, 10:38:25 AM
What experiences do you have?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on August 24, 2010, 05:22:51 PM
Only 1 message received so far ...


Alliance managers - Info on player additions & replacing members who didn't show up

* Window for replacements is ~48 hours from the time of this message. Monday 23/08/10, 14:20 UTC - Wed. 25/08/10 19:00 UTC.

* Please send me the list of members to be added or replaced in your alliance via forum PM. Please send only one message per each alliance! (replacements will be done latest on Wednesday evening, most likely earlier). Message must be sent by one of the three managers...

* Inform the name of the alliance, members to be removed (their usernames), and members to be added (username and member id number).

* Member can be removed only if he has not shown up for the game at all.


Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Phetoy6 on August 24, 2010, 05:48:36 PM
waiting to join the game..  ;)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Arvidsson410 on August 24, 2010, 06:56:17 PM
HI, we in UNITEAM needs players esp. in the European continent. PM: Gleipner, Arvidsson410 or nailzthehammer if you read this and are intrested.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: RushmoreAir on August 24, 2010, 07:11:24 PM
Only Zuul.  :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Arvidsson410 on August 25, 2010, 04:09:36 PM
UNITEAM

Remove players:
40039, JC
20655, alexbieniek
39468, stevenf
7013, LJ128

Add players:
27827, it_sco 
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on September 07, 2010, 03:12:21 PM
Additional replacements can be accepted again:


Alliance managers - Info on player additions & replacing members who didn't show up

* Window for replacements is ~48 hours from the time of this message. Deadline is Thu 09/09/10, 16:00 UTC.

* Please send me the list of members to be added or replaced in your alliance via forum PM. Please send only one message per each alliance! (replacements will be done latest on Friday, most likely earlier). Message must be sent by one of the three managers...

* Inform the name of the alliance, members to be removed (their usernames), and members to be added (username and member id number).

* Member can be removed only if he has not shown up for the game at all.

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: MensaJay2 on September 07, 2010, 07:27:26 PM
add me plz =) Im a great team player
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Yullover on September 07, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
I will like to join too !!!

Any alliance want a good player ??? PM me !!!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: islandhopper on September 07, 2010, 08:47:12 PM
I'm game ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Knos on September 08, 2010, 12:27:55 AM
I would be interested in joining the game if anyone has free spots. I prefer the Euro or Asia/Ocenia areas, but am up for a challenge if you need a different area filled.

If you looking for experience then I am currently a manager of the EuroConnect alliance in JA2 and running Mid Med Air.

How is the game going by the way? Which alliance currently has the lead?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: jetxpress on September 08, 2010, 03:06:19 AM
Best International Group can add up to 7 members. PM to be added.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: schansrichavala on September 08, 2010, 03:36:50 AM
I'm game! Please let me!
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Arvidsson410 on September 08, 2010, 08:53:32 AM
UNITEAM can add new members. PM me to be added to the game. 2 months 26 days left. 13 Cr
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Curse on September 08, 2010, 03:02:38 PM
Hm. Why should we fight and destroy competition when they easily can add new players?

And, to make this even more funny, in the Alliance Challenge it is forbidden too to go after new airlines, so I have to wait and see my competition (in Alliance Challenge!) growing at my airport...

Alliance Challenge is more weird and senseless from day to day.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Minto Typhoon on September 08, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
IF an alliance loses an airline, can they now replace that airline?  Isn't the fact that they didnt turn up to start with a bad mark against the alliance?

When does a carrier cease being new?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on September 08, 2010, 04:45:44 PM
IF an alliance loses an airline, can they now replace that airline?

No, this is just an opportunity to add more players in since the player numbers of alliances are very uneven. But there hasn't been much interest so far, so expecting only about 5 new players. (the time frame is quite small though)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Gleipner on September 08, 2010, 07:35:41 PM
As said before, UNITEAM recruiting. For a position PM: Gleipner, Arvidsson410 or nailzthehammer
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: elmarinomercante on September 08, 2010, 07:57:47 PM
Hello,

I am elmarinomercante from Spain. I would like to join to any Alliance.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Arvidsson410 on September 09, 2010, 10:06:24 AM
UNITEAM Alliance New players:

List of new players:
ID, Name

43309, styloboy
25193, Mr Souto
14910, elmarinomercante
17348, MensaJay2
17547, Aces_Wyld
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] - lilius on September 09, 2010, 05:50:29 PM
Sami >>

Please add user 11145, Yullover to the alliance MegaFly
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] - lilius on September 11, 2010, 12:42:17 PM
Our player still cant enter the game. Please have a look at it.

<PM sent to sami>
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: hmellouli on September 24, 2010, 03:33:02 AM
I'd Like to Join, if there are any free spots.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: RushmoreAir on September 24, 2010, 03:47:58 AM
I'd Like to Join, if there are any free spots.

We'd love to have you  :), but sami has closed the game to new players.  It was only for a 48 hour window from when the announcement was posted that he was going to allow new players in.  Sorry that you can't join.  :(
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: RushmoreAir on September 24, 2010, 03:36:32 PM
Sorry if this has been answered already,

but what happens if all three Alliance managers go bankrupt?  Does everybody in the alliance have to quit?  Because you can't add alliance managers from people currently in the game, and we're not allowed to bring in new people.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on September 24, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
No, alliances are permanent in this world so they do not dissolve.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: hmellouli on September 24, 2010, 05:29:31 PM
Sami any plans to re-open this world any time soon?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: swiftus27 on September 24, 2010, 06:05:25 PM
it is a good time.  there have been tons of bankruptcies.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on September 24, 2010, 06:11:28 PM
Well, sure if there's demand for this. Reply here if you're interested to join already, and alliance managers can then start making contacts. Joinigns perhaps next week or so.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: hmellouli on September 24, 2010, 06:32:37 PM
I am interested.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on September 27, 2010, 08:20:53 AM
Any other interested members?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: hmellouli on September 27, 2010, 11:36:24 AM
You should probably make a general announcement. I don't think this forum shows up on the main announcement page.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on October 11, 2010, 09:26:13 PM

Okay, as there's a demand for more game spots and not yet the time for another full world, what are the opinions of alliance managers for actively promoting available spaces for this world?  Or perhaps opening the world to public, with a requirement to choose an alliance (of the available options we have now) when you found an airline.


The alliance score needs defnitely also rework. I didn't expect the bankruptcies to be so huge and causing so many negative scores, so one shouldn't worry about the negatives for now when considering new members.


(Quick responses are appreciated, as I would like to communicate the possible possibility to members asap.)
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on October 11, 2010, 09:55:14 PM
Sami,

We (WorldLink) are discussing this and will get back to you as soon as possible.

Few questions... will the limit remain at 25 airlines per alliance? Would Managers retain the right to approve players to join their alliance if it was opened to the public (WL has been successful largely due to our co-ordination and planning with our long standing memebers)?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on October 11, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
25 per team, yes.

If the option for player to pick an alliance when joining is made, then there wouldn't be any pre-screening available, as airline is instantly an alliance member when created. That's the downside. But I would feel opening the world to public would encourage more players to join compared to the current signup procedure.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on October 11, 2010, 09:59:36 PM
This would not benefit WorldLink much at all as we have 21 members already... also not sure we would be happy to accept 4 random players, but we will get back to you as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on October 11, 2010, 10:45:58 PM
Sami,

The official WorldLink stance on your proposal is:

We agree the game could use some new players to reignite some interest in the game. However, we would not be happy for players to select the alliance rather than the more normal procedure where the alliance select the player. Not because we believe WorldLink to be an elite group or anything like that, but because our success in Alliance Challenge is largely down to us pre-selecting only loyal WorldLink members who know how the alliance works. We initially had a list of over 30 interested players, all loyal WorldLink members in other games, but had to turn down 6 or 7 of them.

Also, as WorldLink is the only alliance that is anywhere near full and would not benefit from a fresh intake of players, we propose the limit be raised to 30 airlines per alliance and the current subscription procedure is retained. That way, the game would benefit from additional players (assuming WorldLink and the other alliances can attract new players) without opening the game to open to all players and forcing alliances to accept random players.

I also assume that only players that never joined could be replaced which without the raised limit would mean that WorldLink could not add any players at all.

Steve, on behalf of WorldLink Management
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JumboShrimp on October 11, 2010, 10:51:00 PM
The alliance score needs defnitely also rework. I didn't expect the bankruptcies to be so huge and causing so many negative scores, so one shouldn't worry about the negatives for now when considering new members.

I don't think it is the bankruptcy that is the problem.  It is only one time -10 points.  It is the other items (missed maintenance, staff strikes) that may cause one airline in a tailspin to generate negative 100 points.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on October 11, 2010, 10:54:05 PM
I don't think it is the bankruptcy that is the problem.  It is only one time -10 points.  It is the other items (missed maintenance, staff strikes) that may cause one airline in a tailspin to generate negative 100 points.

I agree and WorldLink's policies have reflected this so that these events were kept to a minimum. Before the game even started we made it clear to our members that bankruptcies (just to restart the airline), missed maintenance and staff issues were unacceptable and put rules in place for the game to avoid them.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: ucfknightryan on October 11, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
I agree and WorldLink's policies have reflected this so that these events were kept to a minimum. Before the game even started we made it clear to our members that bankruptcies (just to restart the airline), missed maintenance and staff issues were unacceptable and put rules in place for the game to avoid them.

Out of curiosity, what kind of rules did you use to accomplish this?  I sincerely doubt most people who's airlines wound up collapsing and generating all those negative points sat back and watched it happen, they most likely were not able to log in for several days...
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on October 11, 2010, 11:00:15 PM
Out of curiosity, what kind of rules did you use to accomplish this?  I sincerely doubt most people who's airlines wound up collapsing and generating all those negative points sat back and watched it happen, they most likely were not able to log in for several days...

You will probably laugh if I told you we have a set of something like 20+ rules/regulations for this game world so that we made sure that we were well placed. We (managers) have been very pro-active and have taken the game very seriously, as have our players. After all, our alliance's good name was at stake!  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: [ATA] - lilius on October 12, 2010, 12:25:14 AM
I dont know any potential new members to recruit for Megafly. I wouldnt mind getting a managing member though since Ive been left alone in my alliance.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on October 12, 2010, 12:27:50 AM
I would opt to make this so that if you set alliance setting to "open for applications" then a new member could autojoin the alliance. If not, you can only invite more people. And with this setting the world would be open to public.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on October 12, 2010, 12:30:40 AM
I would opt to make this so that if you set alliance setting to "open for applications" then a new member could autojoin the alliance. If not, you can only invite more people. And with this setting the world would be open to public.

But would we only be able to replace no-shows like last time?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Talentz on October 12, 2010, 02:25:25 AM
Not sure if this would help. As in my mind and probably that of the rest of the Alliances, WL has already won and Alliance Challenge has ended for say.

Opening the world to random players would further undermine the spirit of Alliance Challenge. I understand you want more participation, but I'd rather see AC closed down and just open a new world.

You would bring in more revenue and have less complaints of "big airlines" already in place.



Talentz

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: ICEcoldair881 on October 12, 2010, 05:11:46 AM
+1. only i want to keep my airline up and running. claim it as my first "successful" European airline. ;D

Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: JonnyAngel on October 12, 2010, 10:50:11 PM
Alright, I'll speak for BIG. We've lost a lot of players so we'd be happy to get an infusion of fresh blood, and it might liven up the remaining months play.

I say keep the cap at 25 members, and make choice of alliance mandatory.

Here's the question; how do we keep the applications fair though. I mean, if you're a good player, you'll want to join WL (inversely, a bad player may want to hitch himself to a winning horse and end up taking them down). All of us in our respective alliances have played with or against each other in previous gameworlds and know our strengths and weaknesses.

How would we assess newbies as they joined? And how do we prevent a rush of players in the direction of one alliance or another?
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: NorgeFly on October 12, 2010, 11:13:14 PM
Alright, I'll speak for BIG. We've lost a lot of players so we'd be happy to get an infusion of fresh blood, and it might liven up the remaining months play.

I say keep the cap at 25 members, and make choice of alliance mandatory.

Here's the question; how do we keep the applications fair though. I mean, if you're a good player, you'll want to join WL (inversely, a bad player may want to hitch himself to a winning horse and end up taking them down). All of us in our respective alliances have played with or against each other in previous gameworlds and know our strengths and weaknesses.

How would we assess newbies as they joined? And how do we prevent a rush of players in the direction of one alliance or another?

WorldLink will not accept players who have not been be pre-approved by us as we see this as potentially damaging. We would be happy for new players to join the game, but using the current method of alliance managers passing approved user id's to Sami so they can then join.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: carrisi on October 13, 2010, 08:24:35 AM
My view is this. All alliances had the chance to start with members, and recruit some replacements earlier on.

The fact they have lost members, or have been unable to recruit more, is part of the game. The score is the score, and the membership levels reflect the strength of each alliance.

Given the inability to attract more players, I say close the game early (say in 3 game years) and lets all move on. We all know the fun part is starting up. So lets call the end.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Bralo20 on October 13, 2010, 08:32:12 AM
Any spots available?  ;D
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: Sami on October 13, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
Note to alliance managers!

The players who have no active account in the game world have now been removed access to this private world. In other words they cannot re-join.

Present membership counts are:
Code: [Select]
Alliance: Alliance Challenge - Best International Group   7
Alliance: Alliance Challenge - GlobalSky                16
Alliance: Alliance Challenge - Mega Fly Worldwide           12
Alliance: Alliance Challenge - Silver Star Alliance           19
Alliance: Alliance Challenge - SkyNet                        15
Alliance: Alliance Challenge - UNITEAM                        6
Alliance: Alliance Challenge - WorldLink                       22


After consideration I think the easiest way is still the member signup what we've had before. I will shortly post a new news for potential members to apply.
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: castelino009 on October 13, 2010, 10:55:11 AM
My view is this. All alliances had the chance to start with members, and recruit some replacements earlier on.

The fact they have lost members, or have been unable to recruit more, is part of the game. The score is the score, and the membership levels reflect the strength of each alliance.

Given the inability to attract more players, I say close the game early (say in 3 game years) and lets all move on. We all know the fun part is starting up. So lets call the end.


+ 100
Title: Re: Alliance Challenge - information and subscription
Post by: hmellouli on October 13, 2010, 08:24:41 PM
Managers,
happy to hear the good news that the world has a few more openings.

I have placed my name is he forum sami opened this morning. I would appreciate your consideration, especially as i have been campaigning for this for sometime.

I have experience. and i ran a very successful airline. I was a founding member of an alliance, I was also a member of worldlink as well.