F100 cash transfers.#11272 and #11287

[Aero]

There are cash transfers in the F100 sector and as the system is not respond to me i like to post it here and hope someone else can do.
As an other airliner received a $500 000 000 fine for this.

#11272 F100 already trade being done and F100 #11287 is delivered to Airliner A brandnew and at a age of just a month the plane is sold to airliner B for $6 843 000.
Within 2 game months this plane appears on the used market for $ 19 420 000 at time of writing.

on august 25th 1988 same thing happen Airliner A received frame #11272 new on april 18th 1988 and sold to airliner B for $6 817 000 on 28th of june 1988.
Airliner B sold this plane 25th august 1988 to airliner C for $21 649 000.

Airliner A and B are both in same Alliance and Airliner B is an fledling airliner.

[Zombie Slayer]

If airline B requests planes, Airline A buys said planes and sells at book value or higher, what airline B does with those planes is their business. This becomes an issue if planes are sold privately to the Airline A or another alliance mate. If they are then sold on the public market at a mark up, where everyone has the ability to buy the plane, there is not an issue as far as the game rules are considered.

[Aero]

Mister Zombie Slayer,this is what happened from the start of frame #11272 and #11287:

The most cheapest brand new F100 with 1.3MTOW is $8 200 000 if bought 40 at launch with max discounts of 26% and 10%.
Launch price of this specific's was $ 13 000 000.
So Airliner A received the frame brand new for atleast $ 8 200 000.

Airliner A sold plane #11272 privatly for $ 6 817 000 to Airliner B,which was then barely 2 months old and atleast $ 1 400 000 under book value while market value already risen to around $28-35mln.
This plane airliner B sold to airliner C for $ 21 649 000,with a profit of more then $ 14 843 000 at used market.
Airliner C bought the plane at open market with a price more F100's offered in line with other offerings.

The 2nd F100 #11287 was offered by Airliner A to Airliner B privatly for $ 6 843 000 while minimum book value is atleast $ 8 200 000 when the frame was 3 months old and directly appear on the used market again within 2 game weeks for $ 19 000 000.
After the press release this plane was taken out of the used market,for which reason is unkown.
This is same attempt as frame #11272 to bring in cash to an airliner not even 2 years old.

Plane #11272 has been broken the rules set in the game twice.
Plane #11287 1time broken the rules and attempt for a 2nd.

Airliner B has 2 other F100's leased from airliner A,this is within game rules, probably also leased out under book value.

Airliner A and B are on purpose laundery money.
Airliner C should have checked the plane history before buying it as now being involved in this unintentionally.

[Continental Sky]

Huh... according to this explanation, I am guilty for some 100 planes, and I expect a penalty of one zillion dollars or so...

I have an airline in Modern Times purely for testing purposes and chasing some achievements. I created base of some 60 cargo planes that bring in healthy profit, so I am free to experiment with all others. It included attempt to broker planes; I ordered a hundred of planes in demand, A220, A32X and MAX, and tried to sell them; it ended belly up, AI kicked in with some low priced planes, so I decided to sell all of them at minimum allowed price, with a loss, just to get rid of them.

At the moment, I have a Max 8 for sale at UM, for ~60% of book value, and it just sits there as AI offers planes at 40% of book value, see screenshots below. In any case, I sold dozens of planes far below book value; I have no clue what buyers did with them, maybe they use them, maybe they sold them, it was their choice, I deleted messages so I cannot bother now to search for those planes and check their further destiny. What I know for sure is that they did not sell them back to me at maximum allowed price, which would mean that I transferred cash to them.

So, I lost millions selling planes, and I'm enjoying that. Is that illegitimate and my airline should be punished for that?

According to your reasoning, selling planes below book value should not be allowed, minimum allowed price would be book value. But it is allowed, so why would I not do it?

[groundbum2]

the previous explanation is fine, and it is that, an explanation. It's like a speed ticket, break the speed limit expect to get a speed ticket and penalties. But if you have a good explanation; somebody was chasing me, I was rushing a mum giving birth to hospital, then expect the ticket to be cancelled.

So in the original case there is evidence of "speeding". If the parties can offer up a decent explanation then no further action. But if they can't .....

of course I can't speak for the admin but tshis is generally how things work..

Simon

[Aero]

@ continental sky:

Please read what is written and also what Zombie slayer posted.
The F100 was received new then sold privatly for minimum price aka under book value and then sold for high profits by 2nd airliner--all happened within 2 game months.

You just flown your planes and then want to dump on the used market which is available to all.
That is different.
Please read the manual and then look at the F100 trade again.

[Aero]

the previous explanation is fine, and it is that, an explanation. It's like a speed ticket, break the speed limit expect to get a speed ticket and penalties. But if you have a good explanation; somebody was chasing me, I was rushing a mum giving birth to hospital, then expect the ticket to be cancelled.

So in the original case there is evidence of "speeding". If the parties can offer up a decent explanation then no further action. But if they can't .....

of course I can't speak for the admin but tshis is generally how things work..

Simon

Don't forget that also the personal feeling of like you or not from administration is a factor
Sometimes there is a logical explanation and penalty comes.
Sometimes there is no logical explanation and penalty stay out.

[groundbum2]

Don't forget that also the personal feeling of like you or not from administration is a factor

it's his trainset....

[Aero]

It is under investigation.
Time to wait and see the report.

[dagwood]

Hi Aero,

Since one of the airlines is a member of Compass,  I started checking this out. Compass as an alliance, does not support any type of improper trading between alliance members and any member caught blatently breaking the rules will be ejected from  the Compass Alliance.

That being said, please help me understand the problem:

Air frame #11272 was purchased by Interfly, (Global Alliance), then sold to JuJuAir, (CleanAir Alliance).   Seems like nothing is wrong here.

Air frame #11287 Was purchased by Interfly, (Global Alliance), then sold to Sunjet, (Compass Alliance). Seems like nothing wrong here.

You state that two airlines are in the same alliance.  I did not see that.  There are three airlines involved, and all three are in different alliances.  Am I missing something there?

dagwood

[Sami]

There is no need to open this matter in a public forum - especially at this wrong forum (press releases), while you have already reported this to the administration too. (The original poster's statement that he has not received a reply is incorrect - his support ticket was replied within hours.)

Others have reported it too, and it will be investigated shortly.