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Author Topic: [-] Listprice for A350  (Read 640 times)

Offline Dieterfc

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[-] Listprice for A350
« on: November 10, 2019, 03:10:49 PM »
i think the Pricelists for Airbus Airplanes are buggy.
Sample  A350.  A price of 400Mil Dollar never existed:

even wickipedia knows the realistic prices
Listenpreise
MSN018 am 7. Oktober 2015 über Toulouse vor dem Auslieferungsflug an Finnair als erste europäische Fluggesellschaft

(in Millionen US-Dollar)
Listenpreis    A350-800    A350-900    A350-1000
2008[120]    205,9 bis 211,5    238,2 bis 242,9    267,0 bis 272,2
2010[121]    225,2    254,5    285,2
2012[122]    245,5    277,7    320,6
2014[123]    260,9    295,2    340,7
2015[124]    269,5    304,8    351,9
2016[125]    272,4    308,1    355,7
2017[126]    275,1    311,2    359,3
2018[127]    280,6    317,4    366,5
« Last Edit: November 10, 2019, 04:29:18 PM by Sami »

Offline Tha_Ape

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Re: Listprice for A350
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »
Prices are dynamic. The more demand there is, the costlier the plane gets. Don't know to which GW you refer and how popular the A350 is in this GW, but this feature usually explains such prices.

Requests have been made in the past. But in the end, no matter what was these people's opinion was, more or less everyone manages to get their desired planes, and the prices are still roughly within the ballpark.

Keeping on the "price" subject, there are some much more controversial feature, especially on the UM "book price" tag and other such things.

Offline Dieterfc

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Re: [-] Listprice for A350
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2019, 06:50:34 PM »
But that does not seem to be the same for everyone, like A350 vs.. Boeing 787
Backlog  A350   480     B787  730

price
Airbus 350  ca.  50 Mio over real Listprice (sample A33-1000 actual 366 Mio - 415 Mio in game) 
Boeing 787 ca.  20 Mio over real Listprice   (sample 787-9 actual 281,6 Mio  -  305 Mio in game)

Demand should actually make the Dreamliner much more expensive, the backlog is far greater than A350.


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Re: [-] Listprice for A350
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2019, 07:41:56 PM »
the difference is very small as a percentage (5%)
A350-1000 : 14% over list
B787-9: 9% over list
and both backlogs are big enough for wide bodies (at some point it doesn't matter).
Plus some aircraft are simply more expensive than others in this game although they have similar specs.
(....and as we all know In real life Boeing sold hundreds of 787 below production cost due to big management mistakes...but that's besides the point)
Mike

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Re: [-] Listprice for A350
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2019, 04:18:20 PM »
What should these be arguments for?

In the game is an essential factor for the economy of an aircraft, and thus decisive argument when buying.
In Reality its a hard market, no company makes give aways.

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Re: [-] Listprice for A350
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2019, 05:14:00 PM »
Backlog does not necessarily dictate list price. Especially since every variant has its own dynamic pricing. MikeS shows the 787-9 being 9% over list. How many of that 787 order book is the -9? It may be full of -8 models. And how many 787-9 orders have been placed recently? It can have a backlog of over 1000 planes but if there are no recent orders the list price can drop.

Airbus could have a very small backlog but if they are currently taking a lot of orders they can charge more. Once those orders begin to wane, even if they have a backlog of several years they are going to start discounting to continue selling more planes. That's the sales department's job, to sell airplanes. Even if those airplanes don't deliver until 8 years from now.

 

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