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Author Topic: [ok] RI Zeroed out at TXL  (Read 474 times)

Offline schro

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[ok] RI Zeroed out at TXL
« on: May 21, 2019, 10:27:24 AM »
So, just a few game months after my RI reached 100 on most routes out of TXL, Templehof closed and appears to have zeroed out both my RI and MD Airline's RI there. This bugs both of us quite a bit and ask for RI to be restored with immediacy and the root cause determined and resolved.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2019, 09:43:51 AM by Sami »

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2019, 10:56:31 AM »
So, just a few game months after my RI reached 100 on most routes out of TXL, Templehof closed and appears to have zeroed out both my RI and MD Airline's RI there. This bugs both of us quite a bit and ask for RI to be restored with immediacy and the root cause determined and resolved.

I can confirm on behalf of my alliance buddy (MD Airlines)

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2019, 12:21:58 PM »
It's also showing that my routes were last flown a game month ago...

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2019, 12:47:37 PM »
Potential/Actual demand for cargo seems to have fallen off a cliff as well.

Ninja edit: Did Templehof demand and stats get copied over?  That would explain it, as it was a much smaller airport for Infra/Traffic and overall demand.

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2019, 01:00:56 PM »
RI manually adjusted but the underlying issue remains so RI/lastflown date might not update until fixed this evening.

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2019, 03:33:06 PM »
Doesn't seem like the increased RI has actually increased the sales.

RI seems to drop as well.

/Mattias

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2019, 06:08:03 PM »
Not sure it is, but could this be related to the bug I pointed out about TXL vs Schönefeld?
It obviously applies to 2 very different fields, but when I see 2 bugs on the same aiport in just 1 week, I tend to become suspicious...

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2019, 08:00:11 PM »
Doesn't seem like the increased RI has actually increased the sales.

RI seems to drop as well.

/Mattias

Demand has cratered compared to where it was, so that's part of it.

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2019, 01:56:48 PM »
So, RI seems to have buffed itself out overnight as expected, but with no changes to schedule or pricing, it's clear that cargo demand has dropped by a good bit.  Prior to Templehof closing, I was doing ~65m/week of revenue at TXL, now I'm doing 58-59m/week.  It does not make logical sense that when an airport closes in a metro area that demand drops that much.  When I'm saying demand, it appears to be the potential demand dropping, as there are many destinations that I would never have flown with 757-200PFs had potential demand been where it is now (or added additional frequencies).

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2019, 10:08:52 PM »
I see the same.

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2019, 10:06:48 AM »
The RI and lastflown data was manually corrected, root cause under investigation during weekend.

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2019, 08:11:44 PM »
Sami:
Perhaps this is also a clue/related. Got a fuel contract ending note, that is probably about TXL

"Important information - Contract has ended
Your contract with for fuelling services at () airport has expired today.
You may re-negotiate the contract by visiting the Fuel Management page."

Note the empty parentheses...

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2019, 09:43:47 AM »
From test setup (figures might not correspond to real games).

Before relocation:
 - Tegel (EDDT): Traffic 3 / Infra 4 / Radius 53 km / Demand EDDT-EFTU Y 34, CL 60, CLpot 120
 - Schönefeld (EDDB): Traffic 2 / Infra 4 / Radius 50 km / Demand EDDB-EFTU Y 15, CL 50, CLpot 100
 - RI on EDDT route before relocation: 50

After relocation:
 - Berlin (EDDA): Traffic 3 / Infra 4 / Radius 55 km / Demand EDDA-EFTU Y 34, CL 60, CLpot 120
 - RI on EDDA route after relocation: 50

Not sure where the issue was but all looks fine now.

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Re: RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2019, 09:54:51 AM »
From test setup (figures might not correspond to real games).

Before relocation:
 - Tegel (EDDT): Traffic 3 / Infra 4 / Radius 53 km / Demand EDDT-EFTU Y 34, CL 60, CLpot 120
 - Schönefeld (EDDB): Traffic 2 / Infra 4 / Radius 50 km / Demand EDDB-EFTU Y 15, CL 50, CLpot 100
 - RI on EDDT route before relocation: 50

After relocation:
 - Berlin (EDDA): Traffic 3 / Infra 4 / Radius 55 km / Demand EDDA-EFTU Y 34, CL 60, CLpot 120
 - RI on EDDA route after relocation: 50

Not sure where the issue was but all looks fine now.

It was not when Berlin Brandenburg opened as in your test, but when Templehof closed (like 15 years earlier). Though it could still be the same issue.

Found anything related to the bug about EDDB having a larger radius than EDDT while having a smaller infra + traffic ?
Right now, they have the same radius, but Tegel is 7+8 while Schönefeld is 7+7.
https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,81214.msg480841.html#msg480841

Thanks.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2019, 10:03:50 AM by Tha_Ape »

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Re: [ok] RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2019, 10:04:17 AM »
Ach indeed. Re-testing ...

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Re: [ok] RI Zeroed out at TXL
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2019, 11:06:51 AM »
Checked Tempelhof, no fault found. Demand does not transfer/replace TXL since it is an active airport and not opening.

 

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