AirwaySim
Online Airline Management Simulation
Login
Username
Password
 
or login using:
 
My Account
Username:
E-mail:
Edit account
» Achievements
» Logout
Game Credits
Credit balance: 0 Cr
Buy credits
» Credit history
» Credits FAQ

Author Topic: [-] 717 range and payload  (Read 354 times)

Offline Flying_ace65

  • Members
  • Posts: 72
[-] 717 range and payload
« on: February 04, 2017, 12:29:43 AM »
Hi, the 717-200 has the possibility of 4 different weights that allow it's range to be from 1540 to 2130NM and the 717-200HGW only has one weight with a range of 2050NM.

If I;m not mistaken the original 717-200 only had a range of 1540NM and then the HGW version came out with different weights allowing it to go up to 2130NM, so I think the data is wrong.

Additionally with the current numbers the HGW makes no sense at all, since it actually burns more fuel than the regular version for the same amount of pax (even max at pax capacity) and less range and even if it's range it's supposed to be that, the HGW has a higher payload capacity of 1587Kg but it does not allow you to do over a 120pax max capacity which is the same for the regular one, so to what is the extra payload being allocated to?

Thanks for looking in to this.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 06:32:13 PM by Sami »

Yarnam

  • Former member
Re: 717 range and payload
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 01:33:26 AM »
I know we hate using Wikipedia for stats but they say the following;

717-200 Basic Gross Weight - Max Range 1,430 nmi
717-200 High Gross Weight - Max Range 2,060 nmi

Online Talentz

  • Members
  • Posts: 764
Re: 717 range and payload
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 04:24:06 AM »
Additionally with the current numbers the HGW makes no sense at all, since it actually burns more fuel than the regular version for the same amount of pax (even max at pax capacity) and less range and even if it's range it's supposed to be that,...

Well the reason the HGW version burns more fuel then the base variant is because its heavier. Which Im sure you know.

Quote
the HGW has a higher payload capacity of 1587Kg but it does not allow you to do over a 120pax max capacity which is the same for the regular one


The HGW version offers a higher payload and takes that payload further, then the base variant. So take for example: 717-200; max range option vs 717-200 HGW. Both aircraft configured to 120 (max) then range is different. 1770nm vs 1920nm.

Quote
so to what is the extra payload being allocated to?

Cargo. Or alot more over-weight pax. But since AWS calculation assumes all pax (inc bags) are the same weight, the latter doesn't count. But cargo is what the HGW can do more of. The higher payload offers more cargo with the same amount of pax.

Example: Same 717-200; max range option vs 717-200 HGW. The 717 base can take its max payload of 12 928 kg to 1140nm. The HGW can take its max payload of 14 515 kg to 1200nm.
Why does 60nm matter? Well, AWS calculates 120 pax (inc bag) at 11 352 kg. Since the base max payload is 12 928 and 120 pax weigh in at 11 352, that leaves 1576 kg of extra cargo to a max range of 1140nm (120 pax + 1576kg cargo). The HGW however has a max payload of 14 515 which leaves 3163 kg of cargo to a max range of 1200nm (120 pax + 3163 kg cargo).

Furthermore, the HGW can take the base variant's max payload further then the base variant can. 1140nm vs 1560nm.

So, to wrap this up: The HGW has better payload performance then the base does at a cost of being heavier (burning more fuel).

Since cargo is not fully featured yet, the HGW is not the better choice for pax only configuration. Although its slightly less expensive to acquire.

Once cargo becomes standard in all games, the HGW and other variants of different aircraft models should make better sense.


Talentz

 
Co-founder and Managing member of: The Star Alliance Group™ - A beta era, multi-brand alliance.

Online Sami

  • Administrator
  • Members
  • Posts: 15859
    • AirwaySim - Are you the next Richard Branson?

The person who likes this post:
Re: 717 range and payload
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 06:31:58 PM »
HGW is a version with different engines and higher payload/MTOW capability.

I've re-checked it against Boeing's docs and all values are fully accurate.

 

WARNING! This website is not compatible with the old version of Internet Explorer you are using.

If you are using the latest version please turn OFF the compatibility mode.