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Author Topic: So many planes with ended production..  (Read 932 times)

Offline argovian

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So many planes with ended production..
« on: September 22, 2016, 01:55:01 PM »
Is there a reason planes who's production started mid/late 60s are in an ended production status? There was no chance for anyone to order any since game doesnt start until 1970..


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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 03:21:47 PM »
That's part of the challenge - taking what is available to you and using it to your advantage....

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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 05:27:05 PM »
Its funny how they pick what makes it and what doesnt, like:

http://www.airwaysim.com/game/Aircraft/Info/View/487/ - Started prod in 68 no orders by the computer I guess, production is over no planes will ever be made.

http://www.airwaysim.com/game/Aircraft/Info/View/378/ - Started production in 67, no orders, plane is available now, (but ending, might get extended)
 
http://www.airwaysim.com/game/Aircraft/Info/View/232/ - started in '67, no orders by computer, is available now, (but ending, might get extended)

http://www.airwaysim.com/game/Aircraft/New/View/7/ - started prod in 68, no computer orders, is still available now, and production is not set to end.


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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 07:42:53 PM »
We call that selection "samirandom" as it typically does not make logical sense why things happen and why things don't, to the extent that we think that it's a bug. However, when a bug report is filed, it is promptly marked as not a bug and life goes on.

With respect to your linked planes -

1. There's good reason it wasn't ordered. It's a terrible plane.
2. Production ends in 8 months. That's plenty of time to order it, and people probably will for range purposes until the -34 comes along.
3. Production ends in 3 months. Fairly useless variant that doesn't do anything better than other ones. In real life, this variant sold 10 copies to SAS.
4. It's the largest F'ing 27 that you can get. However, the type as a whole is aging at this point and there are better alternatives, so it probably won't sell many copies.

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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2016, 04:20:34 PM »
We call that selection "samirandom" as it typically does not make logical sense why things happen and why things don't, to the extent that we think that it's a bug. However, when a bug report is filed, it is promptly marked as not a bug and life goes on.

With respect to your linked planes -

1. There's good reason it wasn't ordered. It's a terrible plane.
2. Production ends in 8 months. That's plenty of time to order it, and people probably will for range purposes until the -34 comes along.
3. Production ends in 3 months. Fairly useless variant that doesn't do anything better than other ones. In real life, this variant sold 10 copies to SAS.
4. It's the largest F'ing 27 that you can get. However, the type as a whole is aging at this point and there are better alternatives, so it probably won't sell many copies.

Have to strongly disagree with you on 1. unless its just the aesthetics that offend you.
In the right circumstances and used carefully there's nothing in the era to compete with it, granted its difficult to find an end of life replacement.

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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2016, 06:32:30 PM »
Have to strongly disagree with you on 1. unless its just the aesthetics that offend you.
In the right circumstances and used carefully there's nothing in the era to compete with it, granted its difficult to find an end of life replacement.

It's a lot like the Bruget and the Mercure. It has a lot of potential, but ultimately has very little use because of its range as it will only do well in a small handful of bases. Bases where a large fleet of them could be an OK idea off the top of my head: ATL, HND. However, the slowness of the plane means that you can do 1/2 to 2/3s of the flights that you can do on a comparable jet (i.e. the BAC-111-500, 737-Jurrassic, Trident, 727, etc.) which will send your staff and maintenance costs through the roof as you need 50-100% more of those planes than jets to fly a similar number of seat miles.

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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2016, 12:13:04 AM »
It's a lot like the Bruget and the Mercure. It has a lot of potential, but ultimately has very little use because of its range as it will only do well in a small handful of bases. Bases where a large fleet of them could be an OK idea off the top of my head: ATL, HND. However, the slowness of the plane means that you can do 1/2 to 2/3s of the flights that you can do on a comparable jet (i.e. the BAC-111-500, 737-Jurrassic, Trident, 727, etc.) which will send your staff and maintenance costs through the roof as you need 50-100% more of those planes than jets to fly a similar number of seat miles.

Works well in the US because it's slow enough to do overnight flights, there just aren't enough routes to do that with 1-11s or 727s etc. The range can be extended to acceptable levels with only a small loss of seats. Needs the right circumsances, but can be extremely effective.

Used in conjuction with the 220s maintenance is not an issue.
GW#1, I'm using only Argosies, it's only now getting to the stage where Jets are efficient enough to be more effective.



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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2017, 02:31:25 AM »
With respect to your linked planes -

4. It's the largest F'ing 27 that you can get. However, the type as a whole is aging at this point and there are better alternatives, so it probably won't sell many copies.

I know this is an old post, but couldn't pass this up.  Was this meant to be some sort of joke or sarcasm?  Won't sell?  Outsold any of the DC-8s, all of the L-1011s combined, DC-9s, etc., etc., etc.

Also, as a large operator of the F27s, I would love to know what these better options are.  Q400s?  ATR 72s?  Sure, in 2 decades there are better options...

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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 04:08:54 AM »
I know this is an old post, but couldn't pass this up.  Was this meant to be some sort of joke or sarcasm?  Won't sell?  Outsold any of the DC-8s, all of the L-1011s combined, DC-9s, etc., etc., etc.

Also, as a large operator of the F27s, I would love to know what these better options are.  Q400s?  ATR 72s?  Sure, in 2 decades there are better options...

I was thinking of the NAMC planes as I typed that. They carry a few more passengers, burn less fuel and you can configure them with C seats - something you can't do on an F'ing 27. The ability to add C seats is really the thing that pushes it over the edge. The first NAMC is available about 5 years after the first F'ing 27.

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Re: So many planes with ended production..
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 10:54:59 AM »
I was thinking of the NAMC planes as I typed that. They carry a few more passengers, burn less fuel and you can configure them with C seats - something you can't do on an F'ing 27. The ability to add C seats is really the thing that pushes it over the edge. The first NAMC is available about 5 years after the first F'ing 27.

And the NAMC's last till the first ATR72-200 which can be an ideal 1 on 1 replacement based on speeds and turnaround (the ATR is a little faster)

 

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