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Author Topic: BAC1-11 vs 737  (Read 564 times)

Offline Marksw76

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BAC1-11 vs 737
« on: October 26, 2014, 03:46:56 PM »
Now here's one for you chums

I have a fleet of BAC1-11 that are getting increasingly old (one of them is held together with an elastic band) anyway, with rising maintenance costs are really need to get rid of these dinosaurs, sooner rather than later.

I was considering getting  a single type to replace 475 and 500s as I don't like the restrictive range of the 500s.

Initially, my plan was to invest in new F100s BUT....have you seen the price of these (small) aircraft??! $41m for the spec I want.

So, another thought was to swap for a standard specced 733, the running costs SEEM to be the same, and as I already have a fleet of 733s anyway, so I thought I might make a saving on maintenance having a single type.

What do you people think?

There doesn't seem to be a natural successor to the 1-11, F100 would be ideal but you can buy 2 1-11s for the price of one of those little Fokkers.

I was kind of hoping for a 717 but these seemed to have been ditched.

Anyone have some thoughts?

Offline Sanabas

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Re: BAC1-11 vs 737
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2014, 05:09:24 PM »
f100 absolutely fills the same niche as the BAC, and could be seen as a natural successor. As could all the other 80-100 seat medium jets that are out there. Yeah it's a big price jump, but it's a big price jump from a 732 to a 734 as well, 2 planes that do the same job 20 years apart.

733 might be a good choice for you. I don't remember the specs, but I'd have though the f100 is a bit cheaper to run for lease/fuel/maintenance/staff. But probably not hugely different, so if you already have a fleet of 734s, they should work.

Offline Marksw76

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Re: BAC1-11 vs 737
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2014, 10:42:31 PM »
Thanks for your reply buddy.

Yeah I thought 733 might hit the spot, problem is what about route oversupply. Some of those routes only have 50/60 demand anyway. If I block seats does that cure the problem??

I just wish the BAE 146 had a slightly better range, these are dirt cheap brand new

Offline Kadachiman

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Re: BAC1-11 vs 737
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2014, 01:24:40 PM »
I am replacing BAC1-11 500's with B737-400, which I think suits your case as well due to reduction in fleet types - which is also my main reason as I am also replacing 727-200Adv with the 737-400....2 to 1 fleet

Also keep in mind that route pax demand does increase over time so block seats now but open them up later
The 737-400 is a good aircraft for a long time yet so demand may catch up with seats available

Offline Marksw76

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Re: BAC1-11 vs 737
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2014, 01:45:12 PM »
Bit of a curveball but I was thinking perhaps a 737 200adv brand new they are half the price of F100s, or is the fuel bill going to kill me, moving forward 15 years??

Offline Sanabas

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Re: BAC1-11 vs 737
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2014, 09:20:50 PM »
Have a look at the numbers yourself.

732 lease price is ~200k/month less than F100.

Regular maintenance (excluding D-checks) is ~10 a-checks/month, so that's ~35k more, only ~165k difference now.

It burns ~700kg/hr more. 700kg * 15 hrs/day * 30 hrs/month = 315 tonnes of fuel more. 165k/315 = $524. So when fuel is up to $500, they'll cost about the same to run. When fuel climbs even higher, the 732 will be more expensive, despite the half-price leases.


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