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Author Topic: B747-400  (Read 1022 times)


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« on: December 08, 2011, 03:58:09 AM »
Is it worth to get B747-400 for fleet expansion because currently there are no available used aircraft in the market.


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Re: B747-400
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 04:43:56 AM »
Is it worth getting 744 for fleet expansion because is the only plane available and you are getting inpatient? Absolutely not! If not used right, is as safe as a bk bet as the 380.
Is it worth getting 744 because you are slot restricted and plan to build a fleet of 20+ on routes >4000nm with a tone of remium seat demand and weak competition? Absolutely yes!

744 is expensive and virtually unable o fly daily (turnaround of almost 5 hours leaving 19 hours to fly).
You are better off building a fleet of new planes and waiting. Hen fuel gets to be expensive, you'll regret the 744.

Offline LemonButt

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Re: B747-400
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 02:10:51 PM »
744 can be a profitable bird.  The problem is you have to fly it long distances to mitigate the frequency bonus your competitors will get flying on shorter routes.  On a per pax basis, the fuel burn isn't that bad for 1995 compared to other available models (assuming you can fill the seats), but you need a large fleet to reduce the marginal overhead costs to a bearable rate.  Bottom line is you can't fly just 1 744, you need a bunch of them, but you can't get a bunch of them without flying just 1 first :)

Offline apenfold

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Re: B747-400
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 10:52:19 PM »
I took the leap and it certainly seems to be working out, and yes you do need to operate a lot of them (I've got 16 looking to take to 21/28), fortunately I was in the position to get 7 of them in quick succession which meant very efficient scheduling right from the off. They're performing very well overall, not costing too much and creating a reasonable profit and given leasing costs are the same as a new 777 but capacity is higher I think they're a reasonable option. Route optimisation is key on them however, but if you can work at them they will yield (and are in relatively good supply as well!)

Offline Maarten Otto

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Re: B747-400
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 03:53:07 PM »
Even short routes can be cash cows with a 744. Like London to Glasgow in full HD seating. By doing that, I was able to free up some slots for other use. So... can it be a good plane? Yes, as long as you know what your doing.

Offline apenfold

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Re: B747-400
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2011, 11:16:15 AM »
Having said all of this there is now basically no availability of 744s on the used market!  :o I'm glad I started building a fleet when I did!

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: B747-400
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 02:40:25 PM »
I count myself lucky to have found some Tu-154s at this point.  :(


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