Bullying, blackmail etc. other people - how to avoid?

[CXP211]

What's next? Taking the free candy van joke at the start as a serious thing and send the police after me?
No i wouldnt do that , but I do find this post rather offensive as something similar to this happened to my sister when we were children.  and i am not going to flame you, i know you were joking.  just please be a bit more considerate when posting things as such.  And while i know you where joking this may be why I may have made some heated character attacks, And i appologise i do not know you but you have made multiple jokes in regards to this which is a bit of a touchy subject in my family

[GEnx]

What's next? Taking the free candy van joke at the start as a serious thing and send the police after me?

Again, if my intention was just to kill some airline, I will not going to open a thread about how to avoid this. Simply this fact should be evidence enough to make everything clear. But no, we discuss and argue and discuss because either I have written it in a very misunderstand way or some people can't get the point.

But nice to see even close AWS friends think I'm going stick at nothing. Maybe I should really start to act this way, I'm absolutely sure it would make life much easier for me. Not for others but as I pointed out it seems even you don't think I care about them. I'm very sad about this.

The free candy van is actually very amusing.

I'm not saying that your intention per definition is to kill some airline. But the fact remains that you take advantage of your airline's size to push other airlines out of the market out of fear that you'd otherwise crush their airlines. That's where my concern started. Really, Sebastian, don't take this as such that I'm thinking you're an ass, because you're not. I am, again, just concerned that you've moved from being competitive to being dominating while it was so much more fun this long time ago.

[CXP211]

Quinoky,  Thank you for your post,  I guess that is about a 99% nicer way of what i am trying to say.

However please folks can we please stop the pedofile candy van stuff i know some of you think its funny but it hits close to home with my family.

[Curse]

And maybe its just the way you come off (and thats the problem with forums in general there is no tone and inflection so you can never tell)    

Funny. A thread to avoid conflicts because I sometimes sound harsh turned into some massacre because some people feel offended. What an irony.

As far as evidence your study of law is not relevent.

In my opinion it is. Laws are not just words in a book. It's the way they are interpreted what's important.

he had to do what you say or you would intentioanlly crush him,

There's simply no alternative in AWS. No cool code sharing or something like that. The normal strategy for most people is just open a base and damage airlines there, intentionally or not. But I thought maybe it is an idea to chat with the guy there, find some solution, work something out. I don't know what all have could happened and I will never know because sami forbid such a message. So I'm going to open a base there and act like I do, like it's described in my guide (not public available but Quinoky, alex, NorgeFly and some others know it) and like I did always and lots of people do.  

If you know you are limited in expansion and limited in opening other bases from that country, than why do you do it?

I'm tired of (how to say this in a not arrogant and offending way... hm) being CEO of a bigger US airline that sometimes has good market share at Los Angeles.

My last try was in a Test Game with Atlanta, but it was even more easier and slots run out as well.

So I don't like being based in Europe and I knew impressive airlines out of Japan and I like B747-400D, so I thought it would be a good idea to base there. The expansion is also not limited, so you can base at airports that aren't very well, but there are some airports (Osaka, Fukuoka, Sapparo, Naha, Narita, later 1-2 more) that are very good domestic and international bases. Unfortunately much more people than I thought had the same idea to base in Japan - I started with 6 competitors, but one is already gone (I haven't done anything!).

as you say you have been around a while why base an airline in a country that offers no room for expansion.    Now in your defense if the little guy has been around as long as you have, I say feel free and go at it because after a year he should know better.  But my whole issue was you issuing an ultimatum to the little guy saying do what i say or ill crush you.

Maybe little guy isn't the right word. These guys (yeah, in reality they are three at different airports) have a bigger market and slot share than my competitors out of Haneda directly and more aircraft as well. I would never crush somebody, no offense, that plays parallel in a Beginner World or just joined AWS. In such cases I normally write a PM, say hello and ask if he needs help, because I'm tired of all those guys that fail and fail and fail again.

but telling some one you have two options 1. work with me (do what i say) 2. pay the price (i will crush you)  is blackmail.  

I know this sounds rude, this is because I started this thread. I know the options AWS offers, but I like to find a solution for all sides, so I hoped to find somebody here that has the absolutely ultimate formulation.
It would be no problem to say what I want to say but in a friendly and not offensive tone in German, but it is a very small way to tell people "consequences" and not blackmail them in the same second, so as I told I better asked for help.

[LemonButt]

Is it weird that I don't remember the last time I brushed my teeth?  I know it's been less than 24 hours, but I couldn't tell you exactly when I did it last.

[CXP211]

Curse, Thank you for the explination,  and i understand the language differences.  if you were intentionally trying to push some small guy with 50 planes out that would be an issue, but the way you are describing it now this is not the case.  this is a fairly substantial airline that maybe didnt make the right choices and you are just simply expanding.   And since i got this thread so off course maybe i can help put it back on topic.  I can see why sammi prohibited you from sending that message it would in effect be blackmail.  But you could send a message, and say something along the lines of "Hey you might see that XXX airport is running out of slots, What would you think of combining those two md-90's on the XXX route and using one dc-10,  it will give you the same capacity and open up more slots for expansion"    he might say "no buzz off"   and in which case you expand as you can.  As far as I can tell you werent slot hogging like some guy in my game did when kansai opened up (he had A300's departing practically every 5 min between Kansai and Narita)  so that is my advice on phrasing it to the other airline,  Here is OUR problem, This is the Solution I reccomend to help us both.   It is the consequence that is the problem. leave out the "if you dont than i will be forced to expand and crush you"   that is where everyones problem is. 

[CXP211]

by the way i can see you intentiaonlly try to help new people. so publically i will appologise 1 for any personal comments, and 2 for perhaps a misunderstanding of your intentions.

[GEnx]

Is it weird that I don't remember the last time I brushed my teeth?  I know it's been less than 24 hours, but I couldn't tell you exactly when I did it last.

That reminds me of the Galaponesian Redbutt Beardape, who, contrary to popular belief, actually prefers pears over bananas. It is said that they stack the pear-leftovers to remember when they have last brushed their teeth.

On a more general note: the world is going to end today anyway, so why not all get along while it lasts, aye?

[LemonButt]

That reminds me of the Galaponesian Redbutt Beardape, who, contrary to popular belief, actually prefers pears over bananas. It is said that they stack the pear-leftovers to remember when they have last brushed their teeth.

On a more general note: the world is going to end today anyway, so why not all get along while it lasts, aye?

Little known fact: the band "Finger Eleven" was originally called "Rainbow Butt Monkeys" after the monkey with the rainbow colored butt.  True story.

[EYguy]

Guys, cool down or we'll have to take care of this the old way... Please... All the parties step down a little bit the tone of this discussion, ok?

[slither360]

leave out the "if you dont than i will be forced to expand and crush you"   that is where everyones problem is. 

+a very large number

Making a deal with someone else isn't some kind of evil sinful thing which should never be done, rather it is a fact of life in AWS and a way to improve EVERYONE's gameplay.

This is how I would phrase it, in exact wording:

Hey XXXXX,

As you probably know, Haneda is out of slots right now. We are currently competing on a route XXX-Haneda, and I was wondering if we could come up with an agreement on how to divide up the route fairly to better utilize slots and aircraft. I personally feel that dividing up the route by capacity, perhaps 75% for me and 25% for you would be a fair agreement. The lack of competition would increase both of our load factors and allow us to use our aircraft and slots on other, more strategic routes. I hope that this partnership can be extended so we can work together to dominate Japan.

Cheers,
Curse

Now this works well in my opinion, and I will explain exactly why:

As you probably know, Haneda is out of slots right now. Gives a reason for contact, and some background information about what you want
We are currently competing on a route XXX-Haneda, and I was wondering if we could come up with an agreement on how to divide up the route fairly to better utilize slots and aircraft. Explains what you want in general terms. It shows that you are open for compromise, rather than trying to shove your specific deal down their throat
I personally feel that dividing up the route by capacity, perhaps 75% for me and 25% for you would be a fair agreement. Not-so-subtly hints at EXACTLY what you want. However, since you have already said that you are willing to be flexible, perhaps you would go to 70%-30%. But it gives a general idea of numbers that you are thinking
The lack of competition would increase both of our load factors and allow us to use our aircraft and slots on other, more strategic routes.Explains why the idea is good for your competitior
I hope that this partnership can be extended so we can work together to dominate Japan.It shows that while you are willing to work together, you also wish to control the Japanese market. This contains a subtly woven in threat, but it's not intimidating, rather it is presented like another reason that the deal is good.

The trick is to be as friendly as possible, and let them win all the small battles, because as long as you get what you want, giving up little things isn't going to make that big of a difference. If you aren't willing to make these concessions, you should rethink how important this deal is to you.

[Curse]

Ah, thanks a lot, Bob. That's exactly what I wanted and I'll send it this way, maybe asking sami before If I ever can help you or do you a favour, don't hesitate.

I also like the idea from CXP with offering some aircraft or so as present what should it make more fair for the other guy.

I'm also very happy most misunderstandings are reassessed, of the stove, simplified. I hope one of them is the right word And who still thinks I mean ill, no problem, it's a free country.. world... forum...

[slither360]

it's a free country.. world... forum...

Well, I'll disagree on that one, and I think Jona L. can back me up

The forum is Sami's, and his word is final, therefore it isn't free. Of course, Sami is a relatively fair and benevolent despot, as despots go.

but that's a topic for another day...

[filipebravo]

This is an absolute joke, I am British and lived in the UK for probably around 4 years, and in America for 13 Years and I can tell you that the we (the british) are not "naturally aggressive".  Perhaps people you dealt with were sick of immigrants coming into our country and taking decent jobs from decent people.

Extremely, EXTREMELY offensive to me ... sorry mate but thats just unreal

Woow chill out mate, that wasn't meant to be an offense, more of a compliment. Why are you so offended, haven't you read "I learned a lot with British"? I don't want to turn this into a personal issue, but that argument of immigrants "taking decent jobs from decent people" shows a bit of that aggressiveness I was talking about as your words suggest that immigrants are not considered decent people in UK. Anyway, my comment was about Curse's comparison of German <-> English language, while something could have been lost in translation, in this case it is not valid as bullying and blackmailling in nice words is still bullying and blackmailling... period, no argument possible.

[Sami]

Sami am i wrong?

I do agree. End of story.