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Author Topic: When are small airlines going to be realistic?  (Read 4306 times)

LostInBKK

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2010, 05:01:56 AM »
If there is no real life example of a baby airline?? Why should there be one in the game? The LLC option is very interesting if you ask me and would give us another way to play the game. Although I don't know how much notice is take at the moment to the current seating in the game. I have just been fly high density as I so no extra passengers choosing my airline if I had better seats.

Cheers

LostInBKK

PS Of course if someone can name a baby airline what I have written is complete rubbish  ::)

Offline raptorva

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2010, 05:10:39 AM »
well for a baby airline, there are some here in Aus like Sharpe Airlines; http://sharpairlines.com// and Airlines of Australia; http://www.airtasmania.com.au/ that only fly small aircraft and their business operates scheduled commercial flights among others from secondary airports (In this case Melbourne Essendon).


Offline Minto Typhoon

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2011, 02:58:58 PM »
Are we any closer in coming up with a Real Life example of a baby airline?

Cheers
LostInBKK

Eastern Airways in the UK
Loganair in the UK

Pike

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2011, 11:41:27 PM »
SeaPort Airlines (9x PC-12 fleet)

and numerous examples in Alaska.

However, and this is a big one....at least in the US...these 'baby airlines' are almost all flying under
the Essential Air Service program; essentially they are subsidized airlines....without that subsidy, they
could not exist.

So, in a manner of speaking--and only in the US where I have knowledge--you are not incorrect per se.

coatedmoney

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2011, 03:14:27 AM »
Are we any closer in coming up with a Real Life example of a baby airline?

Cheers
LostInBKK

http://www.air2there.com/

LOT767

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2011, 05:09:37 AM »
I think the only tweak needed to make "baby airlines" realitic is fix the crew size and pay. I know I sound like a broken record but I out of sheer curiousity an running 7 EMB-120's and they are making profits but do I really need this much people:


Staff group  Number of staff (current / required)  Total salary expenses / month  Morale 
Airline CEO    1 / 1   (100%)  0 USD  - 
High level management    7 / 7   (100%)  114 984 USD  94 
Middle level management    12 / 12   (100%)  150 642 USD  98 
Economics and finance    22 / 22   (100%)  102 832 USD  100 
Corporate communications    14 / 14   (100%)  62 634 USD  100 
Human resources    13 / 13   (100%)  44 271 USD  93 
Quality department    7 / 7   (100%)  25 240 USD  87 
Safety and security    6 / 6   (100%)  22 837 USD  86 
Customer services    84 / 84   (100%)  218 751 USD  100 
Flight operations division    38 / 38   (100%)  177 618 USD  100 
Technical services and maintenance    43 / 43   (100%)  172 276 USD  100 
Ground handling    55 / 55   (100%)  110 177 USD  100 
Route strategies department    42 / 42   (100%)  143 029 USD  100 
Pilots (small a/c)    41 / 41   (100%)  156 050 USD  100 
Pilots (medium a/c)    0 / 0   (100%)  0 USD  0 
Pilots (large a/c)    0 / 0   (100%)  0 USD  0 
Pilots (very large a/c)    0 / 0   (100%)  0 USD  0 
Cabin crew    21 / 21   (100%)  65 906 USD  100 
Total:  406 / 406 (100%)  1 567 247 USD / month 


It would be fine if all you did was fix these #'s....

coopdogyo

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2011, 08:03:40 AM »
it looks like all staff groups besides the flight attendants and pilots could be halved.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2011, 02:17:30 PM »

THI

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2011, 05:54:25 PM »
to be honest.
this is the general forum. so. it is not about a specific game world.
in this case you are just talking scrap swiftus.

it is possible to build an airline with 15pax-30pax capacity in jet age.
(dont say no swiftus because i started like that and have built up an airline in the current jetage with
more than 1,000 a/c in total)

it depends in which game world players with that idea want to play.

you cannot make any general statement about the small a/c airlines in the general forum !

 

Offline swiftus27

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Re: When are small airlines going to be realistic?
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2011, 09:34:31 PM »
to be honest.
this is the general forum. so. it is not about a specific game world.
in this case you are just talking scrap swiftus.

it is possible to build an airline with 15pax-30pax capacity in jet age.
(dont say no swiftus because i started like that and have built up an airline in the current jetage with
more than 1,000 a/c in total)

it depends in which game world players with that idea want to play.

you cannot make any general statement about the small a/c airlines in the general forum !

 

You clearly didnt read that thread.  I created a small airline in a game solely to test the viability of small airlines using small a/c.  Of course I had to do it in a game world.  So, that's why I posted the thread in that sub-forum.  Also, this game was during the Dawn of the Millenium when there was tremendous demand and gas was relatively cheap. 

No I am not talking "scrap" "crap" or anything of the like.  Small airlines are simply non-competitive and can only be successful when MANY other factors take place as well. 

I have said this before and I will say again.  Small a/c are only good as a supplement and not viable on their own as a fleet choice.  

If you take the time to read some of my feature requests, I did discuss how I'd love to see something along the lines of "tech trees" so that one may actually be able to excel in this arena.  Until then, consider me a lover of anything from a Dash-8 on up.... as long as it isn't Soviet  ;)

 

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