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Author Topic: No MD87 in ATB2?  (Read 768 times)

Razor2

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No MD87 in ATB2?
« on: August 04, 2009, 11:59:56 AM »
Why is the MD87 not available in ATB2? The production seems to have ended but there is no clue in the production news about it, just about the MD81.
Is this a bug or is it normal? Unfortunately it can not be substituted as easily with some other aircraft type as the A343 or the DHC8-100 which are also "victims" of the new production system.

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 12:08:43 PM »
MD-87 was out from prod. already in 1991/1992.

And once more the DHC-8-100 and A343 are both being replaced by another models. So they are not gone.

d2031k

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 12:20:25 PM »
I see from the Global Stats page that there are 10x MD-87s in service - obviously used ones, but will more be available in the used market?  And will this apply to the A340-300? :)  I bet you're fed up of people asking about the A340-300!

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Razor2

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 12:23:38 PM »
The MD87 was out of production because there were no new orders, not because there was no line building them. If someone had ordered a MD87 in the 90s MD would have built them, because they had the tools and the line where the MD82,83 and 88 were built. It was the same scenario as with the A310. Airbus held the line open with no new orders for years (until 2007), because it was built with the same tools as the A300. The last A310 was built in 1998!
If the production cycle of the aircraft is variable, which is quite cool, it could be also variable this way, and the MD87 could be offered and ordered, if there is demand for it.

By the way, it would also be a nice addition if aircraft subtypes which did not make it of the drawing board in real life would be offered and if there is demand for them also be built, like the 757-100, the 717-300, the Fokker 130, the ARJ130, the ARX series or the Dornier 728/928. There are quite a few which were shelved because of low demand or bankruptcy.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2009, 12:25:30 PM »
Shall we discuss the Dassault Mercure?

I have seen hundreds in some games and they only built 12 in real life.

Also, why buy an MD87 when you can get an MD83 or 88?  There really is no strategic difference. 
« Last Edit: August 04, 2009, 12:36:10 PM by swiftus27 »

DenisG

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 12:40:24 PM »
The MD87 was out of production because there were no new orders, not because there was no line building them. If someone had ordered a MD87 in the 90s MD would have built them, because they had the tools and the line where the MD82,83 and 88 were built. It was the same scenario as with the A310. Airbus held the line open with no new orders for years (until 2007), because it was built with the same tools as the A300. The last A310 was built in 1998!
If the production cycle of the aircraft is variable, which is quite cool, it could be also variable this way, and the MD87 could be offered and ordered, if there is demand for it.

By the way, it would also be a nice addition if aircraft subtypes which did not make it of the drawing board in real life would be offered and if there is demand for them also be built, like the 757-100, the 717-300, the Fokker 130, the ARJ130, the ARX series or the Dornier 728/928. There are quite a few which were shelved because of low demand or bankruptcy.

As far as I know, the lines were closed because they could not have upheld at those costs. The MD87 was the only model that was shorter (I think 4m or so and hence more comparable to the DC-9) and could not be built on the same production lines therefore. The MD-88 was built for Delta and was de facto the MD-82 model with little modifications. So no new production line here.

The A310 was kept open in order for political reasons (finding a suitable replacement to keep factories busy) and because of the A400 tanker model that was based on thos constructions and was thought a suitable follow-up for the line. The A310MRTT are still built today for special reasons (government airplanes) and with hope for the tanker contract...

Denis

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 12:50:41 PM »
The A300 and A310 were built on the same line and the line was not held open by politics but by orders for A300Fs by Fedex and DHL. The A310 was offered because it cost Airbus nothing to offer an aircraft which could be built from the same parts as another one in production.
(aircraft with the same fuselage can be built and most of the time are built on the same line for cost reasons!)
The A400 is not related to the A300!


I'm no expert at MD, but I suppose the principles were the same as at Airbus and Boeing, so the MD87 could be built if the MD88 was still in production, the technical difference between an MD87 and MD88 is 1 missing fuselage segment (or 2) in the MD87.

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2009, 01:08:16 PM »
Saying the MD82 and 88 are only slightly different ???

The 88 was glass cockpit and 82 was not.  There were many other improvements too. 

That's like saying the 737-2 and 737-7 are the same

DenisG

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2009, 04:00:18 PM »
The A300 and A310 were built on the same line and the line was not held open by politics but by orders for A300Fs by Fedex and DHL. The A310 was offered because it cost Airbus nothing to offer an aircraft which could be built from the same parts as another one in production.
(aircraft with the same fuselage can be built and most of the time are built on the same line for cost reasons!)
The A400 is not related to the A300!


I'm no expert at MD, but I suppose the principles were the same as at Airbus and Boeing, so the MD87 could be built if the MD88 was still in production, the technical difference between an MD87 and MD88 is 1 missing fuselage segment (or 2) in the MD87.

As far as I remember, Airbus first crafted a tanker based on the A300 and submissed it officially. After that they crafted the A400 and called it a totally different a/c - although it appears to be based on the same modular array (as I was told by an engineering friend). I believe you can generally say that there is not a single decision at Airbus about manufacturing lines that is not politically based. Airbus is not a company as most others, but extremely influenced by the interests of keeping jobs at certain locations. The discussion about the A31/30 series was no exception here.

FedEx only got 16 A300s since 2005. JAL got 20 in the last four years. That was the more important order, if I may correct you here. DHL got its last A300 in 1999. You probably meant UPS? Or did I miss something and DHL got bought by UPS?

About the MD-82/MD-88: Yes, there were modifications in the cockpit, which Delta demanded. But all general modular parts are the same as with the MD-82, of course enhanced here and there. This was in the interest of Delta, because they wanted to fly both planes on a parallel basis without having to increase maintenance support.

Denis

Razor2

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 12:59:31 PM »
Any thoughts about this?

By the way, it would also be a nice addition if aircraft subtypes which did not make it of the drawing board in real life would be offered and if there is demand for them also be built, like the 757-100, the 717-300, the Fokker 130, the ARJ130, the ARX series or the Dornier 728/928. There are quite a few which were shelved because of low demand or bankruptcy.

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 01:05:40 PM »
that has been talked in the past and would be a nice feature.

Razor2

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Re: No MD87 in ATB2?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2009, 01:09:53 PM »
that has been talked in the past and would be a nice feature.

A bit cryptic answer. :D Will it be added in the future?

 

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