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Author Topic: Regarding the 787-3  (Read 504 times)

Offline Andre

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Regarding the 787-3
« on: April 02, 2016, 04:44:29 AM »
So the 787-3 has been launched, one of the most useless aircraft in the game.

In the real world, the 787-3 was never built. Most people think it was supposed to be a smaller, lower capacity plane, but that's not the case. The 787-3 was supposed to have the same fuselage as the 787-8, but with modified wings, lower MTOW and range, as well as higher pax capacity.

In the game right now, we have a plane that has lower capacity than the -8 and is not useful for anything.

So I'm asking that the data on this aircraft can change. We don't know the precise number of pax it would handle (Wiki says 290 in 2-class, which is more than the 787-8), but right now it's got less pax capacity than the -8 which is wrong. It would be nice if you could turn this into a useful plane, Sami! :)

From Wikipedia:

"The 787-3 was targeted for high-density flights; it was designed as a 290-seat (two-class) short-range version with a fully loaded range of 2,500 to 3,050 nautical miles (4,650 to 5,650 km). Using the same basic fuselage as the 787-8, the wing was derived from the 787-8, with blended winglets replacing raked wingtips. The change decreased the wingspan by roughly 25 feet (7.6 m), allowing the -3 to fit more domestic gates, particularly in Japan. This model would have been limited in range by a reduced MTOW of 364,000 lb (165,000 kg).[249][note 1]

The variant was designed to operate on Boeing 757-300/767-200-sized regional routes from airports with restricted gate spacing.[250] Boeing projected the future of aviation as between very large, but close cities, of five million or more people; city populations may stabilize around the capacity level of the 787-3.[251][252]"


« Last Edit: April 02, 2016, 05:03:56 AM by Andre »

Offline tdf42

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Re: Regarding the 787-3
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 07:26:02 PM »
I  agree with you as  this plane could have been useful to me as a transcon (757 missions) when I purchased my 787 fleet  to go international late in GW1 instead of having to use 737 MAX. 

Offline ZombieSlayer

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Re: Regarding the 787-3
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2016, 04:58:20 PM »
Here is thje problem with the 787-3. The data used to create it in AWS is based on proposed data. Since it was never built, it has never been updated to reflect what would have been reality. The plane shares (or would have shared) an identical fuselage with the 787-8 which was later certified to 381 passengers, yet the proposed 787-3 prototype only showed 290 (2-class) or 330 (1-class) in the brochure, not any proposed max capacity.

Quote from Wiki:

On April 26, 2004,  Japanese airline All Nippon Airways (ANA) became the launch customer for the Boeing 787, then still known as the 7E7, by announcing a firm order for 50 aircraft to be delivered at the end of 2008. ANA's order included 30 787-3, 290–330 seat, one-class domestic aircraft, and 20 787-8, long-haul, 210–250 seat, two-class aircraft for regional international routes such as Tokyo Narita–Beijing. The aircraft will allow ANA to open new routes to mid-sized cities not previously served, such as Denver, Montreal, and Boston.

So ANA intended to operate the 783 in a 290-330 seat 1 class configuration and the 788 in a 210-250 seat 2 class configuration, yet in AWS land 330 is the max for the 783 while 381 is the max for the identical fuselage of the 788.

The fix here is simple. Upgrade the 783 to identical capacity as the 788 as it would have been in real life had the 783 been built.
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Offline schro

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Re: Regarding the 787-3
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2016, 05:07:15 PM »
The root cause of it is probably from when the 788 got a spec (capacity) buff a few years ago in the database for the game but the 783 did not get the same buff applied to it....

Offline ZombieSlayer

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Re: Regarding the 787-3
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2016, 12:29:18 PM »
That is exactly what happened actually. A similar thread to this one showed up, I made a similar arguement, and the request was denied....
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Offline Andre

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Re: Regarding the 787-3
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2016, 02:07:12 PM »
Yep, increasing 787-3 capacity to -8 capacity would have been a simple fix. Maybe keeping the fuel burn slightly lower as well, since it would have less fuel tanks and improved wings for short-medium haul missions. It could have made a useful 767-200/300 and A300/A310 replacement. Right now it's not useful for much at all.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2016, 02:13:39 PM by Andre »

Offline ZombieSlayer

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Re: Regarding the 787-3
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2016, 11:17:17 PM »
True. Its the 720 or DC-8-10of its fleet group.
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