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Author Topic: "World News" inconsistent?  (Read 722 times)

Online Andre090904

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"World News" inconsistent?
« on: November 12, 2015, 02:43:25 PM »
Hi Folks

I am German and am playing in Yugoslavia. I could not wait for the 9th November 1989 to happen in GW4 (fall of the Berlin wall). But, nothing. No world news entry for that day. Since it's the end of the Cold War (or begin of the SU collapse), I think it's worth mentioning. Same goes for 3rd October 1990 with the reunification of West Germany and East Germany. Passenger demand will increase dramatically over the next few years after east Germans got their freedom to travel (and some currency which actually is worth something). East German airports would surely experience an increase in demand (internationally, not domestic). Same goes for Berlin-Tegel (former West Germany in West-Berlin).

Was really sad to see that this hasn't been thought of.

I imagine it is not too much work to include such an entry. Select an image for the news, write a few lines and there you go. The actual demand figures should already been included in the system if I am not mistaken.

Best,
André

PS: Let's see what happens once Yugoslavia is dissolved into its single nations...

Offline NovemberCharlie

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 04:44:34 PM »
The world news items are random unpredictable events to add a realistic element of surprise to the game. Therefore they do not contain real events. If an event changed the economic situation of a country it should be reflected anyway (e.g. 9/11)

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 06:50:18 PM »
"If an event changed the economic situation of a country it should be reflected anyway"

Well, a dissolution of a country + a following incorporation into another country + the introduction of a completely new currency in the affected area + a totally different economic system (capitalism instead of socialism) surely would mean "change of economic situation in a country", wouldn't it?

If a worker in former East Germany is not allowed to travel (and has no budget to do so anyways) and it completely changes from one year to another (freedom of travel + strong currency + other economic model), he would surely do so. Take my parents as an example. For 40 years, they could not leave Eastern Germany (except for Poland, Russia, Czechoslovakia, etc.). Once the wall came down, they made a 30-days trip all around the USA - taking a flight from Berlin-Schönefeld (East) to Frankfurt and then straight to New York.

Let's have a look at the passenger volumes at a couple of airports in affected areas. While Schönefeld (east) had less demand in the following years (mainly due to Interflug ceasing operations), Tegel airport (West-Berlin) had more demand. It's not a sudden increase, but a steady one (until 2001 for some reason ;) ).

So what about Leipzig-Halle (another main airport in former East Germany)? Some 275,000 passengers in the chaotic year of 1990. But already 634,000 in 1991 and 1,073,000 in 1992. 4 times as much as back in 1990!

Even airports in West Germany profited from the development as they had many connections into the "west". So people from former East Germany went to Franfkurt or Munich to get to the US (or London/Paris/Rome if the budget was tight).

Regarding the game mechanics, the question is if the airport passenger statistics are based on actual statistics from those years. If so, everything should be fine. A "world news entry" considering the "opening of dozens of countries" would be a nice idea (even if you can fly to these countries in the game well before 1990). It's not less important than 9/11. Probably the biggest world-scale change of the 20th century following WWII + separation into east and west.

This does not only affect former East Germany, but also all the other East European states. Just to mention a few: Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republik, Slovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, Moldova, etc.

So...I'd say an increase of passenger traffic for the period of ~1990-1995 from central/eastern parts of Europe is more than logical and affects the whole world.

Offline bdnascar3

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 11:36:08 PM »
Remember this a 'game' not a real life simulation.

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2015, 12:21:38 AM »
It's not a game, but a simulation. That being said, real life changes should indeed affect Airwaysim - just as 9/11 does. I agree it might be difficult to decide which event should be included in which not. However, with a bit of crowdsourcing and discussing it, I am sure it can be managed quite easily.

I am not saying Sami should consider every little detail that happened in history. This would find no end indeed. Only big changes in history like the oil crisis, the collapse of communism, 9/11 should be taken in. Embargos/sanctions might be a bit more tricky with more work to do on Sami's end, but still doable.

Just imagine a scenario where Soviet airlines are restricted to the Soviet Union + friends. Later on, the market opens and it's a "take what you can get feeling". Just as in real life. You wouldn't believe how fast McDonalds, Ikeas, Burger Kings, etc. popped up in the early 1990's in East Germany.

It would certainly add more realism and it doesn't need to happen over night. :)

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 11:25:19 AM »
From my perspective as an airline in Romania, having the countries that are part of the USSR leave and become independent is boom time enough for me. There are so many routes into soviet Russia like Kiev that have no demand but as soon as independence comes it should be boom time.

Also if you think about it, city based demand will go some way to solving it. As my understanding is it will use historical economic data to work, therefore it will have all the historical data from that period thereby giving the effect of the fall of the Berlin Wall. I'm sure a read that somewhere. It's also worth remembering that that randomness is what keeps this game fresh, all the events etc keep people on their toes at all times and for things like aircraft launch dates stops anyone gaining an advantage from knowing the dates they are due to come out.

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 02:29:43 PM »
Real world events are not featured in 'world event' news. (this has been discussed in the past, and I will gladly accept the data if someone is willing to go through history from 1950 onwards to find all such major event)

However all geopolitical changes like the break-up of CCCP are fully modelled and each of those events creates a news item under 'airport / country news'.

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 12:23:20 PM »
Just keep it the way it is.
If you know when the oil prices go up,it is easy to hedge on time.
If you know when a civil war start,you can stop your flights on time.
Then i guess for me the fun is over as it is just simulating the real world.
For example you know when 09/11 strikes right?
So you know when to buy your new planes as the prices drop.
If this is going to happen then it is nice to play it 1 time and then finished with this game.
Off course it is logical to show the collapse of the USSR as a new world opens up,but if you check the news every day then you know when an American or German plane crash.Should Sami then choose an random US or German airline with the type of crash and let your airline run for the cost?I guess for the smaller airliners in this game would be a bankruptcy of the airline because of this affect.
Or you know when a world cup soccer starts and play into this for 2 months and then drop again,it is difficult to handle this kind of things.
Including maybe trade marks to FIFA or uefa,then the cost of a game will probebly raise too.

Let´s have fun,enjoy the game.
Let Sami surprise us with some events,i think he does a great job already,thank you for this.

Sorry for my broken English

Online Andre090904

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 04:48:00 PM »
I am certainly not saying that real life crashes should be taken into this game. Instead, I was referring to historical events. That being said, the 3rd October 1990 was indeed a "world news" in game world 4. Let's see how the demand reacts in the following years. This is my first time plying this game and I'll still need to get into it.

FIFA world cups as historical events? Well...yes and no. There certainly is an increased demand during that time and it is more than easy to check the countries and create the news. But then again, it is not something of true importance (compared to the collapse of the Soviet Union for instance). Also, if we were to take world cups into consideration, what about Formula 1 etc.? So that is not something I'd like to do either.

I'd stick to historic/economic events. Be it 9/11, Soviet Union/Cold War, Oil Crisis, etc. This game is a simulation. These events affect(ed) aviation world wide. It would be strange if they were not part of this game.

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Re: "World News" inconsistent?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 05:28:54 PM »
Well, all of those you mentioned are already there. Each geopolitical event in the world, 9/11 through the global pax travel factor and various oil crisis through fuel price index (however we do not use the real historical fuel prices since they are predictable, but it is an option and it is modeled). News of these events, apart from all the (about 200) geopolitical events is not modelled, since we'd need the full dataset of all other events too then to make sense for it..
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 09:50:41 PM by sami »

 

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