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Author Topic: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu  (Read 691 times)

Offline marke144

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Hi, the 120NG comes with 115 standard economy seats. However, if you try reconfigure the aircraft using the seat configuration menu, the most  standard economy seats you can allocate is 105 (assuming no business or first seats), same as the F100. Is this a bug? thanks
« Last Edit: June 03, 2015, 10:17:30 AM by sami »

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Re: F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2015, 10:10:21 PM »
It -should- be a bug, but the last time it was reported the answer was the system allocated the default configuration differently than the in game configuration tool.

That being said, the frame is 1.5m longer than the F100 giving it 2 more rows of seating. The rekkof website says 125 is the STANDARD seating at 30" pitch. Seeing as frames within AWS that have the same maximum seating are able to be configured with more seats (737-800 and -900 both at 189 max), there is no reason that the F120NG should not be able to be player configured with the same 115 seat Y configuration and maybe 4C/105Y based on the manufacturers info.

Right now, though, the bit of info keeping any change from happening is the fact that all info is purely hypothetical since there is not even a prototype in the air yet.
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Re: F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2015, 10:17:23 AM »
The calculation formula for the factory config is slightly different causing this difference.

If you use HD seats you can config the 120NG with more seats than the 100 (125 vs. 122 max capacity), but in other seat classes the difference is so small already that the numbers are practically the same.

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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2015, 05:03:32 PM »
I have not seen this in any other model, Sami. Its a 10% difference! A 1.41m stretch of the aircraft, which appears to all correlate into a 1.41m longer passenger cabin, means the 115 default config -should- be the norm, yet all the player configuration tool can do is mimic the shorter F100? Like I said, I know aircraft of the same max capacity can get more seats based on the cabin length (738 vs 739) so why can the F120NG be treated the same way?

Some supporting evidence:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Austrian_Airlines/Austrian_Airlines_Fokker_100.php

Seat map of Austrian F100 sporting a 105Y configuration at 30" pitch

http://www.rekkof.nl/

Half way down the page, a 125Y configuration is talked about:

"The slim seats achieve excellent passenger comfort in a higher density configuration.

At 30 inch seat pitch 125 passengers travel with the comfort of a conventional 32 inch seat pitch configuration
The 112 passenger dual class configuration combines 34 inch seat pitch in the 4-abreast business class and 30 inch in the 5-abreast economy class"

So, case in point, 125 is not the certified max, they have not gotten that far yet, it is seating based on INDUSTRY STANDARD seating, or our Standard Y seats.

So asking for the info on the F120NG to be modified to allow just 115 standard Y is not a far fetched request. In fact, assuming Rekkof eventually gets the go ahead and this thing goes into production, we will soon be asking for a plane with a certified capacity of closer to 140 and standard seating of 125!
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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2015, 06:06:50 PM »
I have not seen this in any other model, Sami. Its a 10% difference!

The MD90's have the same problem. They got a 1.4m stretch over the MD80's, yet, due to the same certified max capacity, they configure identically in game. I've posted multiple bugs about it as it bugs the crap out of me, yet, no action is taken.

In the real world, DL runs their MD88's at 16C 133Y (149 total) and MD88's at 16C 144Y (160 total, identical to their 738 config). Basically, 2 rows of seats more fit...

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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2015, 06:24:58 PM »
Since the current config system's calculation is based on the max capacity, it creates these issues for certain models.

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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2015, 06:27:31 PM »
Since the current config system's calculation is based on the max capacity, it creates these issues for certain models.

Hence why there's a number of people that get bugged about these two cases. Since the system is based on max capacity, I think it would make sense to buff the F120 and MD90 numbers to reflect reality, as a longer plane should be able to carry more passengers than a shorter variant of the same type. Heck, buffing the MD90 numbers might fix the "plane is too small" bug thread as well....

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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2015, 06:58:41 PM »
Since the current config system's calculation is based on the max capacity, it creates these issues for certain models.

Fair enough, so maybe the solution is to apply the 737-800 vs 737-900 "fix", whatever that may be in the system, to the MD-90 and F120NG. Maximum capacity IRL is based on a different frame (MD-90 used the MD-80 evac test for its max seating), and F120NG does not list a "Max" seating but rather a "default" confoig based on industry standards. The 738 and 739 share the same 189 max capacity, yet somehow the 739's default config is 18 seats higher and re configuring does not eliminate the extra seats.

There has to be a way to make this work properly. In both cases, it drives players away from the less used models and right into the overused E-Jets, A320, and 737NG causing further overcrowding of those lines. The MD-90 would be a beast with a proper configuration, and the F120NG would beat the E-Jets hands down with 20 more seats. This would go a long way to alleviating congestion in the above mentioned lines by providing 2 more legitimate contenders for fleet work horses.
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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2015, 07:05:36 AM »
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There has to be a way to make this work properly. In both cases, it drives players away from the less used models and right into the overused E-Jets, A320, and 737NG causing further overcrowding of those lines. The MD-90 would be a beast with a proper configuration, and the F120NG would beat the E-Jets hands down with 20 more seats. This would go a long way to alleviating congestion in the above mentioned lines by providing 2 more legitimate contenders for fleet work horses.

Well, the A148/158 and the FD728/928 are excellent alternatives to the EJet, either. The FD728/928 is a nearly clone, and the A148/158, while costlier in maintenance & landing costs, is extremely cheap to buy/lease. Not counting the SSJ(but we don't have it in GW3 yet, I can't check its stats).

That being said, the F120NG is supposed to be a kick-ass modernist alternative, yet is not. It is sad.

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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2015, 10:42:09 AM »
Oh yes, forgot about the manual B739 fix .. Applied the same for F120 and MD-90.

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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2015, 01:09:28 PM »
thank you
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Re: [-] F120NG seat allocation incorrect on configuration menu
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2015, 02:49:15 PM »
Thanks Sami!
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