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Author Topic: Northern Ireland airports  (Read 1515 times)

Offline jameshawkesford

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Northern Ireland airports
« on: March 03, 2014, 10:58:53 AM »
It's my belief that Belfast Aldergrove (EGAA) was not a civilian airport until July 1959. Planes were often diverted there from Nutts Corner, the first civilian airport in Northern Ireland and site of the worst air disaster in Northern Irish history.

My question is why is Nutts corner airport not available in game world 4?

Any answers will be appreciated.

Jimmy

Offline jameshawkesford

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 11:01:04 AM »
Apologies it was September 1963 when flights were moved.

Offline Sami

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 02:19:16 PM »
Many very early era airports are not modelled due to lack of data (ie. Airports that closed prior to 1970s)

Offline Luperco

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 08:19:16 PM »
There are many errors. For example the Liverpool Airport has been called John Lennon only after the singer death in 1980 while in the game is called John Lennon from the beginning.
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ucfknightryan

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2014, 09:56:41 PM »
There are many errors. For example the Liverpool Airport has been called John Lennon only after the singer death in 1980 while in the game is called John Lennon from the beginning.


Airport names do not change over time in the game at the moment.  There are a great number of airports that are affected by this, and all the ones I'm aware of use the current name, not any of the historical names.

Offline jameshawkesford

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 11:01:59 AM »
Thanks for the replies.

I understand that the airport names don't change and don't have an issue with that. Nutts Corner was a completely different airport however.

It makes more sense that there is a lack of data and therefore i don't have any issue with this, is there the potential to change it in the future however?

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Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 11:44:57 AM »
If you deliver data from good and reliable sources, I don't think sami will ignore it.

Offline Master

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 07:57:41 PM »
For example: ISTANBUL - Sabiha Gokcen Int'l (SAW/LTFJ) has opened in 2001...but it exists since the beginning of the scenario (1952).

Offline [SC] - King Kong

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 12:02:14 AM »
Again,

Provide reliable sources (not wikipedia) and it will be changed.

Tip: wikipedia is sourced too, check the sources mentioned, maybe theyll be usefull.

Offline Master

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2014, 12:28:35 PM »
Dear King Kong,

I don't know how you managed to say my information is via wikipedia.

1) I am an Istanbul citizen since 1995 & my home is very near to SAW Airport.

2) pls check http://www.sgairport.com/havaalani/tr/start.asp (official web site of SAW)

Pls don't forget to "think twice" before blaming on anything :)

Offline chiveicrook

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2014, 01:45:09 PM »
He is just saying that wikipedia is not considered reliable source around here ;)

Post a bug report with quoted information and source page and Sami will deal with it :)
 

Offline Kadachiman

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2014, 02:12:38 PM »
Pls don't forget to "think twice" before blaming on anything :)

Ironic
« Last Edit: March 07, 2014, 02:15:48 PM by Kadachiman »

Offline [SC] - King Kong

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2014, 09:59:19 PM »
Clearly no academic. No problem. Wikipedia just doesn't qualify as a source, neither does your experience as a Istanbul citizen.

The SAW website might be reliable, better check with Sami on that one :)

highlander1715

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2014, 08:34:18 PM »
Clearly no academic. No problem. Wikipedia just doesn't qualify as a source, neither does your experience as a Istanbul citizen.

The SAW website might be reliable, better check with Sami on that one :)

Really the fact that he is a local and knows his city's history does not qualify him to comment on his local airports.  I would have thought that local knowledge would be paramount in pointing us in the right direction.
For example I have mentioned on several occasions that Aberdeen, Scotland EGPD has not been a 24 hour operations airport since it was RAF Dyce during the Second World War!  From the Aberdeen International Airport guide
"Aberdeen International Airport's main terminal opens at 04:00, or two hours before the first departure, and closes after the last arrival. Overnight stays in the terminal are not permitted."
And yet it remains open 24 hours in the game.
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Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2014, 09:17:44 PM »
Actually "opening two hours before the first departure" and "closes after the last arrival" is for me 24hrs if my last flight arrives there are 00:00 and the first one starts at 02:00.

highlander1715

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2014, 12:53:06 AM »
Actually "opening two hours before the first departure" and "closes after the last arrival" is for me 24hrs if my last flight arrives there are 00:00 and the first one starts at 02:00.

What part of terminal building opens at 4.00am OR two hours before first departure (which is at 6.00 am) did you miss?

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2014, 11:12:14 AM »
Ah, I missed the "or".

It still closes after the last arrival. So if this last arrival is 03:59 o'clock it's closed for a minute.

highlander1715

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2014, 08:41:00 PM »
Ah, I missed the "or".

It still closes after the last arrival. So if this last arrival is 03:59 o'clock it's closed for a minute.

This is my last word on the subject
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-3F28CAFBB99DDD36F21632924C35F913/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/AIP/AD/EG_AD_2_EGPD_en_2014-03-06.pdf

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2014, 12:30:19 AM »
The link doesn't work. However, if this link says something else than the official page - both are worthless as a source...

highlander1715

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Re: Northern Ireland airports
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2014, 04:33:16 AM »
The link doesn't work. However, if this link says something else than the official page - both are worthless as a source...

The official page of what?
I was trying to send you to the AIP which if you were a pilot trying to fly through the airspace of the United Kingdom you would know.
NATS the National Air Traffic Service derives from NATCS the National Air Traffic Control Service In 1992 it was recognised that as a service provider NATS should be operated at a distance from its regulator, the CAA. With that in mind, NATS was re-organised into a Companies Act company in April 1996 and became a wholly owned subsidiary of the CAA.

This is their information for pilots and operators issues as a United Kingdom AIP for EGPD section 2.3 Operational Hours sub section 12 remarks:

Aerodrome Operator:
Delayed fixed-wing aircraft scheduled to operate 0610-2230 (Winter)
0510-2130 (Summer) must request extended opening by 2100 (Winter)
2000 (Summer). All other fixed-wing traffic must request extended
opening with at least 24 hours notice.
Fixed-wing aircraft operating between 2300-0600 (Winter) 2200-0500
(Summer) must be Quota Category 4 or below as defined in the
Department for Transport, Noise Restrictions Notice for London Airports
published bi-anually as a Supplement.
Customs/Immigration:
Prior arrangement required before 2100 (winter), 2000 (summer) for
scheduled delayed flights (international flights and domestic flights
carrying interlined international passengers and their effects). Nonscheduled
flights require prior arrangement with a minimum of 24 hours
notice.
Fuelling: Outside of operational hours AVTUR JET A-1 is available with
prior notice.

This is no longer open for discussion I have provided the Civil Aviation Authority information for Aberdeen Airport this is the actual factual information from the real world
« Last Edit: March 18, 2014, 08:14:35 PM by highlander1715 »

 

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