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Offline [ATA] frimp

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Alliance score points
« on: January 31, 2014, 10:17:57 PM »
Hi,

Every player scores a certain amount of points that adds up to the alliance score if they are part of an alliance.

To boost some competitiveness amongst players and alliances, I'd like to have a feature enabled that shows how many points each airline contributes (or would) contribute to an alliance.
This could then add some competition amongst alliances to attract some players towards their alliance. Alternatively, players in alliances then also see how much they are helping the alliances and can address any problems on how to improve their game play.

looking forward to the feedback.

regards

Fred

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 10:27:41 PM »
I think this is a good idea.  You would also have to be able to see what your score is in each of the categories easily so you know which ones are lacking...

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 11:38:33 PM »
It should also show which airline earned minus points for getting BK warning or a missed check.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2014, 11:41:18 PM by CUR$E »

Online ArcherII

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 11:47:09 PM »
I don't see the point of this. Different type of airlines gather to form alliances, some big 600-airplane airlines team up with small 40-seater regionals. The 40-seater has everything against it.

Offline [ATA] frimp

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 12:37:07 AM »
I don't see the point of this. Different type of airlines gather to form alliances, some big 600-airplane airlines team up with small 40-seater regionals. The 40-seater has everything against it.

I don't necessarily agree with this.. Fair enough a 40 seater regional airline wont dominate turnover and pax transported stat but they could still score good points in terms of Load factors and punctuality. (which is more difficult for larger airlines)... so smaller ac should still score a decent amount of points... by showing the actual points it will exactly highlight how much advantage/disadvantage there is by running large/small airline..


Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2014, 06:00:47 AM »
I don't see the point of this. Different type of airlines gather to form alliances, some big 600-airplane airlines team up with small 40-seater regionals. The 40-seater has everything against it.

Those statistics must not be necessarily accessable for all but are mandatory for at least managers of the specific alliance.


While it seems "assets" are now so important to the game:
The management must be able to identify good and bad assets to the alliance. Casual alliances are not going to care about this and that's fine. Other alliances may care about this and they should get access to proper data to do so.

Offline [ATA] b757capt

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 04:57:09 PM »
Hi,

Every player scores a certain amount of points that adds up to the alliance score if they are part of an alliance.

To boost some competitiveness amongst players and alliances, I'd like to have a feature enabled that shows how many points each airline contributes (or would) contribute to an alliance.
This could then add some competition amongst alliances to attract some players towards their alliance. Alternatively, players in alliances then also see how much they are helping the alliances and can address any problems on how to improve their game play.

looking forward to the feedback.

regards

Fred

I agree. Each airline should have the transparency to see what they are or are not contributing to the score.

Offline JJP

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2014, 05:58:12 PM »
I would love to at least see how I am contributing to the alliance, even if no one else can see it (except managing members?).  I like to think I am contributing well to my alliance and would like to know where I could do better. 

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2014, 12:29:19 AM »
I would love to at least see how I am contributing to the alliance, even if no one else can see it (except managing members?).  I like to think I am contributing well to my alliance and would like to know where I could do better. 

I like it

Offline [ATA] frimp

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2014, 01:47:51 PM »
Sami,

any news on this if this will be a go/no go?

would it also be possible to explain the reasoning why there is no impact on the alliance score if someone leaves an alliance first and then BK's some time later in the game? Many alliances use this option to avoid an impact on their scores when some of their members fail... I'd like to see that option removed and that the impact would still be felt regardless of the time... it would add an interesting dimension of competitiveness and will give a better reflection of the alliance performance over the duration of a long gameworld, where players may come and go..

Offline [ATA] b757capt

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2014, 10:50:58 PM »
have we had an update on this?

Offline [ATA] frimp

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2014, 08:53:16 PM »
Hi all,

First of all, apologies for the length of this post but I hope you can bear with me..

I’ve been looking at the alliance score calculation and have come to the conclusion that the alliance score isn’t necessarily a true reflection of an alliance’s strength.  Rather than giving you a total view of an alliance, the scoring currently only focuses on the top 10% or top 20 scorers in the gameworld. This heavily weighs in favour of alliance with big scorers (not necessarily airlines) in a few of the key stats. I’m particularly looking at the variable scoring element.

As it stands, an airline with 10 aircrafts  that joined a year ago but has utilisation of 18-19hrs and therefore in the top 20, would score more points than an airline that has been running for many years, transports many more pax, generates more revenue, profits,  but falls outside the top20 on the stats listed below.. These types of airlines are currently not getting recognition towards the alliance score and in my opinion this should change. Every player in an alliance should play a factor. (Whether small or big)

For those who don’t know the stats contributing to alliance variable scores are:
•   Pax transported (I’ believe YTD)
•   Revenue
•   Profit Margin %
•   Load factor %
•   Punctuality
•   Utilisation
•   Company Image

My proposal/suggestion is as follows:

•   Make sure that EVERY airline has a score value. You could then rank these individual airline score values to see who the “best” individual player in each game world is. The alliance score would then be the total score of all the players’ individual scores. (makes it easy for an alliance admin to see who their poor/key performers are)

•   For the 7 stats shown above, rather than cap it at the top 20 or top 10%, make it so that there is no cap so everyone scores points.. I.e. if there are 550players in the gameworld, the 1st player for the stat would get 550points, 2nd 549 points, 3rd 548points, etc….   (currently only top 55 would score points)
If you fear the numbers would be too big, then add up the combined points of these 7 stats for each airline and divide it by 7 to get an average score..
By removing the cap of how many players score points, it prevents players from targeting 1 or 2 stats towards the end of a game world and not care about the other ones..  (as currently may happen just for the sake of alliance scoring).



•   In addition to replace the points scored by alliances for every member in existence (cumulative score) , I would also add this to the individual score.. For every year a player has been in existence, they should get 5-10-25 points (sami to decide I guess), this should also apply to the penalty points (BK warning, missed maintenance, etc..)
Currently when players leave an alliance and/or go bankrupt, the alliance doesn’t lose these cumulative points if the player leaves the alliance before they leave the game. By adding it to the individual player score, it would have an impact on the alliance scoring as well if a player left or BKed, so by replacing a member with a younger/newer airline would have an impact.. Whereas now, if someone BK’s, they can be replaced and an alliance may actually get a gain out of it. (if they target someone who scores well in a specific stat)

•   As an extra bonus, I’d like to see an 8th (new stat) shown on the pages that could be included towards alliance score. We are living in a world where sustainability and an environmental friendly reputation become more important. With that in mind, it would be good to see a sustainability stat which would be calculated as follows: weekly fuel burn/weekly pax transported.. The players with a lower score would be ranked higher. So to improve that score, you would need to fly more fuel efficient planes or transport more pax.  (or both)It would add another dimension on when to transition aircrafts and in the latter stages, it would encourage players to still work on improving their fleets.

•   By making these changes, it will make things clearer to people on where they can improve their scoring as they would be able to identify where they are positioned on the stats pages. It would improve competitiveness, as every position would mean a point towards the individual score (& alliance score).
It would also give a purpose to players who are not in an alliance as they would be pushing for pride on the individual stats pages.  An individual score page could then also be used for rewards/competitions if Sami wished to do so.

Fundamentally I think it would be a better representation of the alliances strengths and performances during a gameworld and add an interesting aspect to the game.

I look forward to hearing other people’s view on this.

Offline LemonButt

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2014, 09:09:02 PM »
There needs to be a balanced scorecard approach because as you mentioned, an airline with 10 aircraft doing 19 hours of utilization is scoring tons of points.  Likewise if they are prop aircraft flying short hops they can kill it on profit margin and load factor as well.

Also, I would add that scoring should be based on percentiles versus ranks.  This would take into consideration not only rank, but how far behind/ahead of everyone else a player is.  For example, if a player is ranked #1 with a 20% profit margin, if a player is ranked #2 with a 19% profit margin they would be in a higher percentile and get more points than if they were ranked #2 with a 5% profit margin.  Under the current system using ranks, the #2 player would get the same points regardless of actual performance.

One of the biggest problems with alliance score IMO is the cumulative points and giving points for simply existing for a period of time.  You could have the "best" airlines in an alliance that just formed and never catch the alliance formed 20 years ago simply due to the cumulative points.

Offline AUpilot77

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2014, 10:19:13 PM »
Right now as I understand it and was said above, each airline is given a ranking that boosts the alliance itself.  I think it'd be better to just take the average statistics of the alliance in question and rank them according to those statistics.  Go ahead and keep profitability and utilization and load factor as measurements, but instead of first giving each individual airline in the game world a "value" for each measurement and then adding them up IF they are in an alliance, just grab the average values for every airline in the alliance and compare them to the other alliances.

For example you could take the average profit margin for all 20+ airlines in a given alliance and get a sort of "Alliance Profit Margin".

You could do the same with transported passengers and grab the total passengers the alliance's airlines have carried as a team.  That way every airline regardless of how large WILL contribute at least somewhat to the alliance rather than an a random airline that is ranked 50 (still very respectable) in almost every category would contribute nearly nothing..

Alliance Rating could then be calculated by only the combined 'Company Image' scores for each airline.  Instead of having the Alliance Rating always get to 100 at some point, only give a 100 Alliance Rating to an alliance that has every airline at 100 CI and at least one airline on each of the 6 continents.  This would add a prestige value to the alliance that would utilize the depth (Worldwide) and reputation (CI) of the total amount of airlines.  You could also throw in the total amount of destinations that the alliance's airlines serve as this would reflect the desirability of the alliance as well. 

The Alliance Score would then only compute things relative to how well the airlines are managed and the Alliance Rating would only compute things relative to how a passenger would want to fly them.

Alliance Score: Transported Pax, Profit Margin, Load Factor, Utilization, Fuel efficiency etc...
Alliance Rating: On-Time Performance, CI's combined, Globalization (At least one airline per continent, destinations, weekly flights) etc

Alliance Score would then naturally be used to calculate the world's most efficient and well run GROUP of airlines and Alliance Rating would then be used to calculate the boost in passenger numbers each airline within that alliance would get as a result of being associated with the alliance with the most prestige and most flight options.

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One of the biggest problems with alliance score IMO is the cumulative points and giving points for simply existing for a period of time.  You could have the "best" airlines in an alliance that just formed and never catch the alliance formed 20 years ago simply due to the cumulative points.

+1

[EDIT]  In addition to using total alliance destinations for the Alliance Rating, you could also throw in bonus points for the Alliance Rating if at least one of the airlines' alliances flies to a unique destination that no other alliance (not airline) serves.  This would help out those unique airlines flying to random places that the largest alliances aren't looking to recruit and encourage airlines to increase their amount of destinations to unique places.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 10:23:09 PM by AUpilot77 »

Offline chris06

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2014, 09:58:29 PM »
I think that is a great idea , I agree  :) I feel also this could expand further with airline rewards and rankings for your airline
« Last Edit: August 12, 2014, 10:25:47 PM by chris06 »

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Re: Alliance score points
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2015, 03:28:21 PM »
GW-4 Spectrum has a negative score, we specialise in smaller airlines, novice players and have an open recruitment process.
We went negative recently, WHY? HOW? What do we do to correct it under the above scheme. Or should we all scatter and do our best to wipe each other out?
It's the first fault I've fond with this game and I don't like it.

 

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