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Author Topic: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts  (Read 602 times)

squaregatescrub

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Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« on: August 16, 2013, 04:46:37 PM »
Will these cause internal competition or, since the route is being service by the same airline, will this make my LF go high faster?


Offline Sanabas

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2013, 07:43:24 PM »
It will get you more pax overall, but slightly less per plane. Say it's 420 passengers, and there are already 4 other daily flights from other people. With everything else equal, all 4 will get 105 pax each. If you fly once/day, then all 5 get 84 pax each. If you fly twice/day, then all 6 get 70 pax each. So twice/day, you get 140 total pax, but your LFs will be a bit smaller.

And that's with everything else equal, you'll get less while you wait for RI to grow, if the other airlines have a higher CI, etc. But if the route has the demand for multiple daily flights, there's nothing wrong with flying it multiple times yourself.

squaregatescrub

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 12:07:02 AM »
I see.  It's just that on other games, this is a bad tactic but here, it seems that some people employ it.  Thanks for the tip and confirmation.

Offline Infinity

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2013, 12:09:45 AM »
What Sanabas neglected to tell you is that flying more frequently than the competition generally gives an advantage and thus, higher loads, presuming demand is saturated.

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2013, 01:51:48 AM »
What Sanabas neglected to tell you is that flying more frequently than the competition generally gives an advantage and thus, higher loads, presuming demand is saturated.

The advantage is that you'll get more overall pax. But the bolded bit is wrong, each individual flight will do worse. In my above example, if you fly twice a day, you get 70 pax/flight, and there are 280 pax for the competition. If you only fly once/day, you get 84 pax/flight, but there are 336 pax left for the comp. If you flew 3/day, you'd get 60/flight, but now only 240 left for the comp. And you can get all of your pax with a near-full 70 seater, while the comp, who was originally getting 105 pax/flight, are now flying a half-empty 120 seater.

Offline Infinity

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2013, 02:38:51 PM »
But the bolded bit is wrong
It's only wrong if you neglect the bit after the bold.


Offline Sanabas

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2013, 03:57:12 PM »
No, it's just wrong. If demand is saturated, adding an extra flight will increase your overall pax, but decrease number of pax on each flight. If demand isn't saturated, all flights will be close to full.

Offline Infinity

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2013, 05:32:34 PM »
Not true. Frequency bonus can grant a disproportionately high pax gain if others keep their flights at one per day.

Offline Sanabas

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2013, 05:52:37 PM »
Which is a different thing to your LFs actually increasing by adding another flight.

It's pretty basic maths. Say it's 400 pax, with 80 seat planes. If you have 6 flights, and 2 competitors have 1 each, then sure, you'll probably get a bit more than 75%, a bit more than 50 per flight, a bit more than the 62.5% LFs you'd get if it was strictly in proportion. Let's even say it's 10% extra, 55 pax per flight, and only 35 each for the 2 competitors.

However, what you're saying is that if you remove that 6th flight, LFs will actually drop. That your 5 flights vs 2 singles will give you less than 55 per flight. 5 x 55 is 275, that leaves 62.5 each for the two singles, higher than you're getting. They should get less than you do, with your 5 flights vs their one. Therefore, you will get more than 55 pax/flight yourself.

Adding an extra daily flight to an already oversupplied route will NOT increase your pax/flight.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2013, 05:55:17 PM by Sanabas »

exchlbg

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Re: Flying the same route with two different aircrafts
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2013, 08:04:26 PM »
Only if everything else is equal, which is usually not, like fares and flight times, used material ,CI/RI and so on.
There is no additional bonus for more flights alone.

 

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